What's your position on gun rights?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by jrkarp View Post
    The ability to amend it does not make it a living document. Amending the constitution does nothing to change the meaning of any part of the constitution - it either adds new material or replaces old provisions.
    actually the ability to change can in fact change what was written, hoenstly take a look at the 14th and 15th ammend. and how they basically get rid of the 3/5 compromise (in essence).

    Seems like a living document to me


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    my final comment, I think many of you are missing my point, or are subjecting your own thoughts on what I am saying. All I am saying is that the second ammendment is not clear and concise. I have read what has been posted, and what courts have said, however, at the end of the day, as I have shown before the definition of militia encompasses quite a few ideas. Which in essence, makes it semantics.

    So for all you card carrying members of the NRA or those who just like to have a gun, you can all take a collective sigh of relief, as you and I both know the government will never take them away, regardless of many issues that have arisen as a result of it.

    Just out of curiosity, why do so many of you have them (directed of course at those who have said they do)? For protection? From what? How many break in or sitautions have you been involved in? Have you ever needed it? At the end of the day, I think it is foolish to assume you need one, specifically if it is a "just in case scenario" Just MHO

    Because I can.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    my final comment, I think many of you are missing my point, or are subjecting your own thoughts on what I am saying. All I am saying is that the second ammendment is not clear and concise. I have read what has been posted, and what courts have said, however, at the end of the day, as I have shown before the definition of militia encompasses quite a few ideas. Which in essence, makes it semantics.

    So for all you card carrying members of the NRA or those who just like to have a gun, you can all take a collective sigh of relief, as you and I both know the government will never take them away, regardless of many issues that have arisen as a result of it.

    Just out of curiosity, why do so many of you have them (directed of course at those who have said they do)? For protection? From what? How many break in or sitautions have you been involved in? Have you ever needed it? At the end of the day, I think it is foolish to assume you need one, specifically if it is a "just in case scenario" Just MHO
    In no particular order.

    1. Shooting is fun
    2. Hunting
    3. Collecting
    4. Personal protection
    5. Because I can

    If you are comfortable having no means to defend yourself, more power to you. I am not.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    actually the ability to change can in fact change what was written, hoenstly take a look at the 14th and 15th ammend. and how they basically get rid of the 3/5 compromise (in essence).

    Seems like a living document to me
    It strikes the old provisions entirely. It removed the 3/5 compromise - it did not change it.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by jrkarp View Post
    It strikes the old provisions entirely. It removed the 3/5 compromise - it did not change it.
    actually by removing it, that changes the document as a whole, hence the living and breathing aspect

  6. (just being funny here) but we do know what Freud said about men who need to have "weapons" of this magnitude?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    Because I can.
    Hey thats great, I guess we can use that logic for many things

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    (just being funny here) but we do know what Freud said about men who need to have "weapons" of this magnitude?
    Actually, Freud posited that fear of weapons was a sign that a person felt sexually inadequate.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    actually by removing it, that changes the document as a whole, hence the living and breathing aspect
    It didn't change the meaning of anything in the document. The 2nd means today what it meant in 1787.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    Hey thats great, I guess we can use that logic for many things
    Perhaps I should have stated 'to assist in violently overthrowing a government no longer the servant of its citizens, but the master of them.'

    Or maybe better yet, just re-read this post:

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/polit...ml#post1322632
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by jrkarp View Post
    Actually, Freud posited that fear of weapons was a sign that a person felt sexually inadequate.
    actually it is quite the opposite. in fact, men that nead weapons are trying to prove their manhood and possibly are a little smaller in a particualr region of the body

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    Perhaps I should have stated 'to assist in violently overthrowing a government no longer the servant of its citizens, but the master of them.'

    Or maybe better yet, just re-read this post:

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/polit...ml#post1322632
    now you are talking. so should I expect to see you on the news soon?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by jrkarp View Post
    It didn't change the meaning of anything in the document. The 2nd means today what it meant in 1787.
    I didnt mention the 2nd in this instance.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    now you are talking. so should I expect to see you on the news soon?
    Media outlets will be the first targets...
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    I didnt mention the 2nd in this instance.

    Now who is arguing semantics.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    Media outlets will be the first targets...
    sweet, I will be keeping an eye out for you!!!


  17. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    Now who is arguing semantics.
    what you are saying makes no sense. Since I mentioned the 14th and 15th but never the 2nd. Sorry no semantics on this issue. THank you though

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    what you are saying makes no sense. Since I mentioned the 14th and 15th but never the 2nd. Sorry no semantics on this issue. THank you though

    You state that it is a 'living, breathing document', but when someone points out an instance where it is not, you say 'I wasn't talking about THAT one'
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    You state that it is a 'living, breathing document', but when someone points out an instance where it is not, you say 'I wasn't talking about THAT one'
    actually you should read what I wrote.

    now, just to clear up any confusion:

    it IS a living breating document, if a new ammendment is instituted, it changes the document. Which of course makes it living and breathing. I never said that a new ammendment was ever created to change the 2nd amend. Please make sure we read to clearly understand what has been said.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    actually you should read what I wrote.

    now, just to clear up any confusion:

    it IS a living breating document, if a new ammendment is instituted, it changes the document. Which of course makes it living and breathing. I never said that a new ammendment was ever created to change the 2nd amend. Please make sure we read to clearly understand what has been said.

    Yawn...
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  21. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Find the statistics that show the number of legally purchased firearms that have been used to cause a death. Far more deaths a year from alchohol, tobacco, cars, etc. Even far more deaths a year from doctor malpractice.
    Funny you mention that.

    Yesterday evening post work I was driving home when I picked a right wing talk-show on my Car radio(I live in Arizona). The broadcaster/DJ was a fierce gun proponent but he was battling hard to his own right wing listeners as to how to curtail guns going in the wrong hands in AZ.

    What is wrong hands in AZ?

    Well obviously the guns going in the hands of "people from South of the border". As it so happens there is a big chunk of people walking in to a Gun Shop, show them relevant papers(forged obviously), walk out with cache of firearms and then smuggle that cache to Mexico. So guess what free-gun-law is now giving way to Smuggling of Weapons across the border for Drug Cartel!! The Resident Cops are often outgunned, in some cases anti-tank cartridges has been used effectively piercing any form of Cavalar worn by these agencies.

    This comes from the gun proponents mind you!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    my final comment, I think many of you are missing my point, or are subjecting your own thoughts on what I am saying. All I am saying is that the second ammendment is not clear and concise. I have read what has been posted, and what courts have said, however, at the end of the day, as I have shown before the definition of militia encompasses quite a few ideas. Which in essence, makes it semantics.

    So for all you card carrying members of the NRA or those who just like to have a gun, you can all take a collective sigh of relief, as you and I both know the government will never take them away, regardless of many issues that have arisen as a result of it.

    Just out of curiosity, why do so many of you have them (directed of course at those who have said they do)? For protection? From what? How many break in or sitautions have you been involved in? Have you ever needed it? At the end of the day, I think it is foolish to assume you need one, specifically if it is a "just in case scenario" Just MHO
    Ever NOT been armed in a situation where you needed it? Ever had someone break into your house?

    Ever been harrassed by psychotic individuals threatening bodily harm to you or those you care about?

    Some in government believe that THEY are the ones that decide which rights we can keep...but again - they do not give me my rights, they are mine - period. I have a right to defend myself, my family, AND my property from undue seizure, whether by criminals or a criminal government. Paranoid? How much property has been seized under the guise of law? How many houses and cars taken for victimless crimes?

    It is up to the individual to stand up for their own, and others, rights...against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC - up to and including the very government.

    Why do I have a gun? Because I have a right to have it and it is none of your business.
    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Flawless Skin Couture - We give you the tools to make you Flawless

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    actually it is quite the opposite. in fact, men that nead weapons are trying to prove their manhood and possibly are a little smaller in a particualr region of the body
    Actually it is you who are incorrect.

    In any case, your arguments continue to get weaker and weaker.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    I didnt mention the 2nd in this instance.
    No but you were discussing the modern view of it earlier, so it is relevant to this discussion.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    actually you should read what I wrote.

    now, just to clear up any confusion:

    it IS a living breating document, if a new ammendment is instituted, it changes the document. Which of course makes it living and breathing. I never said that a new ammendment was ever created to change the 2nd amend. Please make sure we read to clearly understand what has been said.
    A new amendment does not change the meaning of the document. The "living breathing" theory holds that the meanings of the provisions somehow morph as society changes. It is that twisted logic that lets liberals claim that the 8th Amendment somehow prohibits capital punishment even though capital punishment is implicitly authorized by the 5th and 7th Amendments.

    The "living breathing" theory has nothing to do with amendments, although its intellectually dishonest proponents try to tie them together in an attempt to gain credibility.
    Last edited by jrkarp; 04-24-2008 at 05:53 PM. Reason: typo

  26. Quote Originally Posted by jrkarp View Post
    A new amendment not change the meaning of the document. The "living breathing" theory holds that the meanings of the provisions somehow morph as society changes. It is that twisted logic that lets liberals claim that the 8th Amendment somehow prohibits capital punishment even though capital punishment is implicitly authorized by the 5th and 7th Amendments.

    The "living breathing" theory has nothing to do with amendments, although its intellectually dishonest proponents try to tie them together in an attempt to gain credibility.
    and by credibility you mean power.
    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Flawless Skin Couture - We give you the tools to make you Flawless

  27. Since this discussion is seemingly going in circles without an end in sight. I will say that we agree to disagree.

    Take care

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    my final comment, I think many of you are missing my point, or are subjecting your own thoughts on what I am saying. All I am saying is that the second ammendment is not clear and concise. I have read what has been posted, and what courts have said, however, at the end of the day, as I have shown before the definition of militia encompasses quite a few ideas. Which in essence, makes it semantics.

    So for all you card carrying members of the NRA or those who just like to have a gun, you can all take a collective sigh of relief, as you and I both know the government will never take them away, regardless of many issues that have arisen as a result of it.

    Just out of curiosity, why do so many of you have them (directed of course at those who have said they do)? For protection? From what? How many break in or sitautions have you been involved in? Have you ever needed it? At the end of the day, I think it is foolish to assume you need one, specifically if it is a "just in case scenario" Just MHO
    Right now I'm within reach of about 7 firearms in a cabinet behind me. Reasons: Shooting is fun. Hunting is fun. Self defense. It's my right to have them.

    For the people who say "Well how many times have you needed a gun that you have to carry, the chances of something happening are slim to none." While I hope that they are right and I never have to use a firearm in self defense, I'd much rather have one with me and not need it than not have it and wish I did. It only takes one situation where you need it for your life to end. God forbid I'm ever in a public place and some loony starts to shoot people. I wont be one of the people who curl up in a ball and wait for them to come shoot me. I'd rather take an active role in weather or not my life is going to end that day.

  29. I am very liberal, however I am firm believer in our constitution and therefore support the Second amendment. I believe that as long as one is a law abiding invidual without a violent criminal record, or mental illnesses I have no problem with people owning guns. My only reservations are with fully automatic assault weapons which I believe are a bit too much for most hunters and residents who want guns for sport or protection. Also the premise behind the Second Amendment which is that a government should have some fear and be able to be checked by its citizenry if it wished to devulge into a tyranny, is one reason I believe that a reasonably armed citizenry is perhaps a good thing in a democratic society.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by teribleturtle View Post
    I am very liberal, however I am firm believer in our constitution and therefore support the Second amendment. I believe that as long as one is a law abiding invidual without a violent criminal record, or mental illnesses I have no problem with people owning guns. My only reservations are with fully automatic assault weapons which I believe are a bit too much for most hunters and residents who want guns for sport or protection. Also the premise behind the Second Amendment which is that a government should have some fear and be able to be checked by its citizenry if it wished to devulge into a tyranny, is one reason I believe that a reasonably armed citizenry is perhaps a good thing in a democratic society.
    Thank you for your comment - there are some liberals out there who respect the 2nd as much as the other amendments, though you are in the minority.

    You are aware that fully automatic weapons are extensively and tightly regulated by federal law, and that the "assault weapons ban" had nothing to do with machine guns, right?
  

  
 

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