[dsade]

I hate to put it so crassly, but if Obama wins what's the over/under on time to assassination (or at least an attempt)?

[Reaper329]

Originally Posted by BigVrunga

I'm 100% 'garlic nose'...if I did have any respect for Obama's camp it was gone after I read that remark. I dont care if it wasnt him that said it. Birds of a feather flock together.

that is a bit short sighted. By that token people should have hated Harry Truman for his support of the clan early in his career, or Woodrwo Wilson and his antiasian remarks.

[DBinMD]

Originally Posted by AM07

What I also find ironic is people who think somewhat like Wright (maybe not as radical though as I don't think many liberals even agree with him) bring politics to the church, but then shout for seperation of church and state!

Actually, that shout is usually a liberal, secularist mantra. There is no such term in the constitution. The only thing it addresses is that Congress shall not establish a [particular] religion (IOW, like a Church of England) or interfere with religious expression. Sorry about the near rant, it’s one of my buttons.

However, I do think churches such as these violate their tax-exempt status.

Originally Posted by BigVrunga

I'm 100% 'garlic nose'...if I did have any respect for Obama's camp it was gone after I read that remark. I dont care if it wasnt him that said it. Birds of a feather flock together.

It’s said politics makes strange bed fellows, and there isn’t always guilt by mere association, but I agree, the Rev. and Obama have been a little too close for a little too long, and it doesn’t look like that will change.

[BigVrunga]

Originally Posted by Reaper329

that is a bit short sighted. By that token people should have hated Harry Truman for his support of the clan early in his career, or Woodrwo Wilson and his antiasian remarks.

I didnt say I hated the man...I can't pretend to know anyone on a personal level that fronts for the media so that they can gain popular opinion. And that goes for any politician.

In all honestly Wrigts' sentiment holds some weight once you get past all the racist comments and hate fueled ranting - but its still not right. If that were one of McCain or Clinton's trusted advisors talking about a different race like that, it would be all over for either of them.

Obama has been taking advice from and taking part in organized meetings led by his firebrand, bigoted minister Jeremiah Wright for the past 20 years. He may or may not share those views, but he obviously isnt bothered by them enough to keep better company.

I dont think not wanting to vote for a man with limited political experience, who is an obvious corporate puppet just like any other politician, and who closely associates himself with a dogmatic overzealous racist is short sighted.

I'm actually trying to look out for my own future - one where I would hope a bigger government doesnt encroach further on my freedom and my finances than it has already.

BV

[dsade]

Originally Posted by BigVrunga

He may or may not share those views, but he obviously isnt bothered by them enough to keep better company.


BV

This is one of the biggest, most undervalued, indicators of a person's character there is.

For the most part, we are the company we keep

[Dadof2]

Originally Posted by dsade

This is one of the biggest, most undervalued, indicators of a person's character there is.

For the most part, we are the company we keep

Its like the old saying: "if you hang around with ****, you are going to smell like ****"

[dsade]

Originally Posted by Dadof2

Its like the old saying: "if you hang around with ****, you are going to smell like ****"

I hate smelling like asterisks.

[Dadof2]

Originally Posted by dsade

I hate smelling like asterisks.

yeah, they smell like cabbage.

[CryingEmo]

Originally Posted by joecski

His past linexperience in government or private/corportate sectors and his admission of serious drug use in his autobiography will be trotted out for public display. That is not even getting into the whole ordeal with his pastor, or his endorsement by Farrakhan. I think the average American will run from Obama.

Serious drug use? I'm not sure that's a good arguement to make on this site. ROFL.

[joecski]

Originally Posted by CryingEmo

Serious drug use? I'm not sure that's a good arguement to make on this site. ROFL.

How about serious, very illicit recreatuinal drug use. I remeber the big deal made about Bill Clinton and his admitted 'trying but not inhaling' of marijuana. Obama admits in his autobiography to using marijuana and cocaine, and not as a one time thing either. I somehow doubt mainstream America is ready for that. It's not quite as easy to overlook as Arnold's use of steroids, which were not illegal at the time. Politicians and the media aside, not many people care about steroids.

[CryingEmo]

Originally Posted by joecski

How about serious, very illicit recreatuinal drug use. I remeber the big deal made about Bill Clinton and his admitted 'trying but not inhaling' of marijuana. Obama admits in his autobiography to using marijuana and cocaine, and not as a one time thing either. I somehow doubt mainstream America is ready for that. It's not quite as easy to overlook as Arnold's use of steroids, which were not illegal at the time. Politicians and the media aside, not many people care about steroids.

I think it's the whole idea of the the war against drugs, and what they say we can and can't put in our bodies.

[AM07]

I couldn't care less what drugs Obama used. In fact, him using those drugs opened him up to another subculture, and he probably learned from his experiences, which almost always is a positive thing. I think all drugs should be legalized and let the idiots who can't control themselves OD and die off. But that's for another discussion.

Now Obama places himself above those in PA because they cling to guns and religion. I can imagine in a century from now, if things keep going the way they are moving, complete gun control, banning of handguns in 45 states, limited numbers of bullets one can buy in a set period of time, and 80% taxes. Whose with me?!?! Come on, we all know high taxes is a great thing for this country!!!!

[BigVrunga]

How about serious, very illicit recreatuinal drug use. I remeber the big deal made about Bill Clinton and his admitted 'trying but not inhaling' of marijuana. Obama admits in his autobiography to using marijuana and cocaine, and not as a one time thing either. I somehow doubt mainstream America is ready for that. It's not quite as easy to overlook as Arnold's use of steroids, which were not illegal at the time. Politicians and the media aside, not many people care about steroids.

It's true - rec drugs are villified in the public conscious far more than steroids for the most part. Marijuana seems to be (slightly) less so than it was in the 1980's and 1990's, but its still canon fodder for a media smear campaign.

I think it's the whole idea of the the war against drugs, and what they say we can and can't put in our bodies.

Yes, its total BS. And yet, as someone who claims to have used drugs in the past and claims to be a champion for those affected by poor policy in this country, he fully supports the 'War on Drugs' and even plans on dumping more money into this pathetic criminal violation of the Constitution:

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_...eans_needs_is_

This is one of the biggest, most undervalued, indicators of a person's character there is.

For the most part, we are the company we keep

That's the damn truth.

bv

[joecski]

Originally Posted by AM07

I couldn't care less what drugs Obama used. In fact, him using those drugs opened him up to another subculture, and he probably learned from his experiences, which almost always is a positive thing. I think all drugs should be legalized and let the idiots who can't control themselves OD and die off. But that's for another discussion.

I don't personally care about the drug issue either, but mainstream America is gonna get this story:

When McCain was a young man he was fighting for his country in Vietnam, being held as a POW, and never giving in to despair while being tortured to betray his country..

When Obama was a young man, he lost heart in the system and turned to drugs...

Who is America going to embrace???

Drug use is the least of my concerns, Obama's stance on guns, taxes, and just about every other policy is what repels me. However, wait and see what hits the front pages.