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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    a marxist like obama? that is a bit of a stretch IMO, but hey we are all entitled to our opinions
    I have to agree with you 100%. Obama is way too liberal to ever win the general election. HRC has been gentle with him in the primary to avoid fracturing the Dem Party (and she hasn't done a great job), but McCain and the Republican machine will crush Obama. His past linexperience in government or private/corportate sectors and his admission of serious drug use in his autobiography will be trotted out for public display. That is not even getting into the whole ordeal with his pastor, or his endorsement by Farrakhan. I think the average American will run from Obama.

    The VP scenario is interesting - I have heard Romney or Condi Rice as possible picks. If he goes with Condi, it would be hard to see him not winning by a landslide. Remember, she has an almost flawless record, and her association with Bush won't really hurt her.

    I expected the Dems to walk into the Oval Office after Bush - now I don't see any scenario that has them beating McCain.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    MrBrightside, why should age matter though? I know to many people it does, for some stupid unknown reason, but age is correlated with wisdom and experience. Who would you rather listen to, someone who is 30 or someone who is 70?

    DBinMD, can you imagine all of the uproar had it been McCain's preacher that said something like that?? If Obama wins the Democratic nomination, I think McCain will launch commercials showing Wright's remarks, mention how Obama stayed there as a member of the church for 2 DECADEs and then at the end of the commercial, it will say "Can you trust this man to lead our country?" Case closed, McCain wins the general if Obama is nominated.
    I agree about the age thing, but there again, Iím old, too.

    Part of the fascination of this whole debacle is the free ride. Yes, if it was anyone else in the last 40 years (including Hillary) they would have been gone. It was fascinating to watch him say the same lines (like ďtypical elderly white womenĒ) that would have caused anyone else to crash and burn. He was probably correct in his statement, as others before him, but the others wouldnít have gotten away with it.

    The whole affair bothers me on a lot of levels. The first is how a rational person could sit thru such hateful speech for 20 years. The next is the perversion of the Christian faith, I know I would have never returned to that congregation, and thirdly, since his mother and his childrenís grandmother is white, I donít understand how he could sit thru that in respect to her.

    I think youíre right about the commercials. Hillary may have felt the need to constrain herself, I donít think McCain will. I also suspect this will be one of the ugliest campaigns in memory.

    I donít trust any gifted speaker who doesnít have the authority or credibility to back it up. And, BTW, I'm "one of those garlic eating Italians" by way of my dads side, Rev. W. has made it a little extra personal.
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  3. What I also find ironic is people who think somewhat like Wright (maybe not as radical though as I don't think many liberals even agree with him) bring politics to the church, but then shout for seperation of church and state!

  4. I don’t trust any gifted speaker who doesn’t have the authority or credibility to back it up. And, BTW, I'm "one of those garlic eating Italians" by way of my dads side, Rev. W. has made it a little extra personal.
    I'm 100% 'garlic nose'...if I did have any respect for Obama's camp it was gone after I read that remark. I dont care if it wasnt him that said it. Birds of a feather flock together.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by joecski View Post
    I have to agree with you 100%. Obama is way too liberal to ever win the general election. HRC has been gentle with him in the primary to avoid fracturing the Dem Party (and she hasn't done a great job), but McCain and the Republican machine will crush Obama. His past linexperience in government or private/corportate sectors and his admission of serious drug use in his autobiography will be trotted out for public display. That is not even getting into the whole ordeal with his pastor, or his endorsement by Farrakhan. I think the average American will run from Obama.

    The VP scenario is interesting - I have heard Romney or Condi Rice as possible picks. If he goes with Condi, it would be hard to see him not winning by a landslide. Remember, she has an almost flawless record, and her association with Bush won't really hurt her.

    I expected the Dems to walk into the Oval Office after Bush - now I don't see any scenario that has them beating McCain.
    I dont see the average americans running from him. This is such a partisan election IMO. Reps will go to Mccain and Dems to Obama, it will be the election of the Indy's which I am proud to say I am.

    In terms of VP I think McCain is better suited with Romeny, he gives a potential solid replacement in 4 years not tied to the Bush administration at all. In fact, if Romney was the nominee they would have my vote.

    Obama needs a very experienced, but yet likeable dem for VP. I am a huge fan of Biden, but his name recognition is not at that level. Based on experience alone, he could be president. I could see a Bill Richardson for Obama. Again, it might very well come down to the VP's

    I think the dems now are going tostart realizing that Edwards was probably their best chance to take the White House.
    Mr. Supps Board Rep
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  6. I hate to put it so crassly, but if Obama wins what's the over/under on time to assassination (or at least an attempt)?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    I'm 100% 'garlic nose'...if I did have any respect for Obama's camp it was gone after I read that remark. I dont care if it wasnt him that said it. Birds of a feather flock together.
    that is a bit short sighted. By that token people should have hated Harry Truman for his support of the clan early in his career, or Woodrwo Wilson and his antiasian remarks.
    Mr. Supps Board Rep

  8. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    What I also find ironic is people who think somewhat like Wright (maybe not as radical though as I don't think many liberals even agree with him) bring politics to the church, but then shout for seperation of church and state!
    Actually, that shout is usually a liberal, secularist mantra. There is no such term in the constitution. The only thing it addresses is that Congress shall not establish a [particular] religion (IOW, like a Church of England) or interfere with religious expression. Sorry about the near rant, itís one of my buttons.

    However, I do think churches such as these violate their tax-exempt status.


    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    I'm 100% 'garlic nose'...if I did have any respect for Obama's camp it was gone after I read that remark. I dont care if it wasnt him that said it. Birds of a feather flock together.
    Itís said politics makes strange bed fellows, and there isnít always guilt by mere association, but I agree, the Rev. and Obama have been a little too close for a little too long, and it doesnít look like that will change.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    that is a bit short sighted. By that token people should have hated Harry Truman for his support of the clan early in his career, or Woodrwo Wilson and his antiasian remarks.

    I didnt say I hated the man...I can't pretend to know anyone on a personal level that fronts for the media so that they can gain popular opinion. And that goes for any politician.

    In all honestly Wrigts' sentiment holds some weight once you get past all the racist comments and hate fueled ranting - but its still not right. If that were one of McCain or Clinton's trusted advisors talking about a different race like that, it would be all over for either of them.

    Obama has been taking advice from and taking part in organized meetings led by his firebrand, bigoted minister Jeremiah Wright for the past 20 years. He may or may not share those views, but he obviously isnt bothered by them enough to keep better company.

    I dont think not wanting to vote for a man with limited political experience, who is an obvious corporate puppet just like any other politician, and who closely associates himself with a dogmatic overzealous racist is short sighted.

    I'm actually trying to look out for my own future - one where I would hope a bigger government doesnt encroach further on my freedom and my finances than it has already.

    BV

  10. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post

    He may or may not share those views, but he obviously isnt bothered by them enough to keep better company.


    BV
    This is one of the biggest, most undervalued, indicators of a person's character there is.

    For the most part, we are the company we keep
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    This is one of the biggest, most undervalued, indicators of a person's character there is.

    For the most part, we are the company we keep
    Its like the old saying: "if you hang around with ****, you are going to smell like ****"

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Dadof2 View Post
    Its like the old saying: "if you hang around with ****, you are going to smell like ****"
    I hate smelling like asterisks.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I hate smelling like asterisks.
    yeah, they smell like cabbage.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by joecski View Post
    His past linexperience in government or private/corportate sectors and his admission of serious drug use in his autobiography will be trotted out for public display. That is not even getting into the whole ordeal with his pastor, or his endorsement by Farrakhan. I think the average American will run from Obama.

    Serious drug use? I'm not sure that's a good arguement to make on this site. ROFL.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    Serious drug use? I'm not sure that's a good arguement to make on this site. ROFL.
    How about serious, very illicit recreatuinal drug use. I remeber the big deal made about Bill Clinton and his admitted 'trying but not inhaling' of marijuana. Obama admits in his autobiography to using marijuana and cocaine, and not as a one time thing either. I somehow doubt mainstream America is ready for that. It's not quite as easy to overlook as Arnold's use of steroids, which were not illegal at the time. Politicians and the media aside, not many people care about steroids.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by joecski View Post
    How about serious, very illicit recreatuinal drug use. I remeber the big deal made about Bill Clinton and his admitted 'trying but not inhaling' of marijuana. Obama admits in his autobiography to using marijuana and cocaine, and not as a one time thing either. I somehow doubt mainstream America is ready for that. It's not quite as easy to overlook as Arnold's use of steroids, which were not illegal at the time. Politicians and the media aside, not many people care about steroids.
    I think it's the whole idea of the the war against drugs, and what they say we can and can't put in our bodies.

  17. I couldn't care less what drugs Obama used. In fact, him using those drugs opened him up to another subculture, and he probably learned from his experiences, which almost always is a positive thing. I think all drugs should be legalized and let the idiots who can't control themselves OD and die off. But that's for another discussion.

    Now Obama places himself above those in PA because they cling to guns and religion. I can imagine in a century from now, if things keep going the way they are moving, complete gun control, banning of handguns in 45 states, limited numbers of bullets one can buy in a set period of time, and 80% taxes. Whose with me?!?! Come on, we all know high taxes is a great thing for this country!!!!

  18. How about serious, very illicit recreatuinal drug use. I remeber the big deal made about Bill Clinton and his admitted 'trying but not inhaling' of marijuana. Obama admits in his autobiography to using marijuana and cocaine, and not as a one time thing either. I somehow doubt mainstream America is ready for that. It's not quite as easy to overlook as Arnold's use of steroids, which were not illegal at the time. Politicians and the media aside, not many people care about steroids.
    It's true - rec drugs are villified in the public conscious far more than steroids for the most part. Marijuana seems to be (slightly) less so than it was in the 1980's and 1990's, but its still canon fodder for a media smear campaign.

    I think it's the whole idea of the the war against drugs, and what they say we can and can't put in our bodies.
    Yes, its total BS. And yet, as someone who claims to have used drugs in the past and claims to be a champion for those affected by poor policy in this country, he fully supports the 'War on Drugs' and even plans on dumping more money into this pathetic criminal violation of the Constitution:

    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_...eans_needs_is_

    This is one of the biggest, most undervalued, indicators of a person's character there is.

    For the most part, we are the company we keep
    That's the damn truth.

    bv

  19. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    I couldn't care less what drugs Obama used. In fact, him using those drugs opened him up to another subculture, and he probably learned from his experiences, which almost always is a positive thing. I think all drugs should be legalized and let the idiots who can't control themselves OD and die off. But that's for another discussion.
    I don't personally care about the drug issue either, but mainstream America is gonna get this story:

    When McCain was a young man he was fighting for his country in Vietnam, being held as a POW, and never giving in to despair while being tortured to betray his country..

    When Obama was a young man, he lost heart in the system and turned to drugs...

    Who is America going to embrace???

    Drug use is the least of my concerns, Obama's stance on guns, taxes, and just about every other policy is what repels me. However, wait and see what hits the front pages.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by joecski View Post
    I don't personally care about the drug issue either, but mainstream America is gonna get this story:

    When McCain was a young man he was fighting for his country in Vietnam, being held as a POW, and never giving in to despair while being tortured to betray his country..

    When Obama was a young man, he lost heart in the system and turned to drugs...

    Who is America going to embrace???

    Drug use is the least of my concerns, Obama's stance on guns, taxes, and just about every other policy is what repels me. However, wait and see what hits the front pages.

    I'm not thrilled with any canidate choice, but it's not about who you were, it's about who you are....now. Everything does stupid things when they are young.

    IMO paying taxes doesn't bother me as long as they are going to be used for americans....in america, for legit reasons, infrastructure, even welfare if a person works full time but still has trouble.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by joecski View Post
    I don't personally care about the drug issue either, but mainstream America is gonna get this story:

    When McCain was a young man he was fighting for his country in Vietnam, being held as a POW, and never giving in to despair while being tortured to betray his country..

    When Obama was a young man, he lost heart in the system and turned to drugs...

    Who is America going to embrace???

    Drug use is the least of my concerns, Obama's stance on guns, taxes, and just about every other policy is what repels me. However, wait and see what hits the front pages.
    do you work for McCain


    In all honesty, none of the 3 are great choices, however when you think republicans wanted Bush over McCain in 2000,that says something
    Mr. Supps Board Rep

  22. Obama's campaign keeps unraveling unfavorable information about him. By the time election day comes he will have already undone himself.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I hate to put it so crassly, but if Obama wins what's the over/under on time to assassination (or at least an attempt)?
    Funny you should mention that. When he made those foolish remarks the other day, I immediately thought that maybe this guy's thinking a shot at being president isn't worth dying over.

    Re:
    "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." -Barack Obama

  24. At the time I thought Obama would win when I voted. However, I would probably be up for changing my vote at this point and saying McCain has a better chance at getting voted in.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    I'm not thrilled with any canidate choice, but it's not about who you were, it's about who you are....now. Everything does stupid things when they are young.

    IMO paying taxes doesn't bother me as long as they are going to be used for americans....in america, for legit reasons, infrastructure, even welfare if a person works full time but still has trouble.
    I think we can all agree that taxes is a necessary evil, especially in America. Without taxes, we wouldn't be able to take advantage of the many things we take for granted, such as roads, schools (debatable), etc. And I don't mind paying some taxes as long as it will help people get back on their feet in times of trouble. I think the welfare state is a good thing IF it works the way it's supposed to, which it does for many people. But many people also abuse the **** out of it. Also, you said you don't mind paying taxes if it helps Americans. But the Democrats want higher taxes so it can help the millions of illegals that live here in the U.S.! So how is that going back to Americans?
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