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  1. I hate to put it so crassly, but if Obama wins what's the over/under on time to assassination (or at least an attempt)?
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    I'm 100% 'garlic nose'...if I did have any respect for Obama's camp it was gone after I read that remark. I dont care if it wasnt him that said it. Birds of a feather flock together.
    that is a bit short sighted. By that token people should have hated Harry Truman for his support of the clan early in his career, or Woodrwo Wilson and his antiasian remarks.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    What I also find ironic is people who think somewhat like Wright (maybe not as radical though as I don't think many liberals even agree with him) bring politics to the church, but then shout for seperation of church and state!
    Actually, that shout is usually a liberal, secularist mantra. There is no such term in the constitution. The only thing it addresses is that Congress shall not establish a [particular] religion (IOW, like a Church of England) or interfere with religious expression. Sorry about the near rant, itís one of my buttons.

    However, I do think churches such as these violate their tax-exempt status.


    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    I'm 100% 'garlic nose'...if I did have any respect for Obama's camp it was gone after I read that remark. I dont care if it wasnt him that said it. Birds of a feather flock together.
    Itís said politics makes strange bed fellows, and there isnít always guilt by mere association, but I agree, the Rev. and Obama have been a little too close for a little too long, and it doesnít look like that will change.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    that is a bit short sighted. By that token people should have hated Harry Truman for his support of the clan early in his career, or Woodrwo Wilson and his antiasian remarks.

    I didnt say I hated the man...I can't pretend to know anyone on a personal level that fronts for the media so that they can gain popular opinion. And that goes for any politician.

    In all honestly Wrigts' sentiment holds some weight once you get past all the racist comments and hate fueled ranting - but its still not right. If that were one of McCain or Clinton's trusted advisors talking about a different race like that, it would be all over for either of them.

    Obama has been taking advice from and taking part in organized meetings led by his firebrand, bigoted minister Jeremiah Wright for the past 20 years. He may or may not share those views, but he obviously isnt bothered by them enough to keep better company.

    I dont think not wanting to vote for a man with limited political experience, who is an obvious corporate puppet just like any other politician, and who closely associates himself with a dogmatic overzealous racist is short sighted.

    I'm actually trying to look out for my own future - one where I would hope a bigger government doesnt encroach further on my freedom and my finances than it has already.

    BV

  5. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post

    He may or may not share those views, but he obviously isnt bothered by them enough to keep better company.


    BV
    This is one of the biggest, most undervalued, indicators of a person's character there is.

    For the most part, we are the company we keep
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    This is one of the biggest, most undervalued, indicators of a person's character there is.

    For the most part, we are the company we keep
    Its like the old saying: "if you hang around with ****, you are going to smell like ****"

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Dadof2 View Post
    Its like the old saying: "if you hang around with ****, you are going to smell like ****"
    I hate smelling like asterisks.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I hate smelling like asterisks.
    yeah, they smell like cabbage.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by joecski View Post
    His past linexperience in government or private/corportate sectors and his admission of serious drug use in his autobiography will be trotted out for public display. That is not even getting into the whole ordeal with his pastor, or his endorsement by Farrakhan. I think the average American will run from Obama.

    Serious drug use? I'm not sure that's a good arguement to make on this site. ROFL.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    Serious drug use? I'm not sure that's a good arguement to make on this site. ROFL.
    How about serious, very illicit recreatuinal drug use. I remeber the big deal made about Bill Clinton and his admitted 'trying but not inhaling' of marijuana. Obama admits in his autobiography to using marijuana and cocaine, and not as a one time thing either. I somehow doubt mainstream America is ready for that. It's not quite as easy to overlook as Arnold's use of steroids, which were not illegal at the time. Politicians and the media aside, not many people care about steroids.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by joecski View Post
    How about serious, very illicit recreatuinal drug use. I remeber the big deal made about Bill Clinton and his admitted 'trying but not inhaling' of marijuana. Obama admits in his autobiography to using marijuana and cocaine, and not as a one time thing either. I somehow doubt mainstream America is ready for that. It's not quite as easy to overlook as Arnold's use of steroids, which were not illegal at the time. Politicians and the media aside, not many people care about steroids.
    I think it's the whole idea of the the war against drugs, and what they say we can and can't put in our bodies.

  12. I couldn't care less what drugs Obama used. In fact, him using those drugs opened him up to another subculture, and he probably learned from his experiences, which almost always is a positive thing. I think all drugs should be legalized and let the idiots who can't control themselves OD and die off. But that's for another discussion.

    Now Obama places himself above those in PA because they cling to guns and religion. I can imagine in a century from now, if things keep going the way they are moving, complete gun control, banning of handguns in 45 states, limited numbers of bullets one can buy in a set period of time, and 80% taxes. Whose with me?!?! Come on, we all know high taxes is a great thing for this country!!!!

  13. How about serious, very illicit recreatuinal drug use. I remeber the big deal made about Bill Clinton and his admitted 'trying but not inhaling' of marijuana. Obama admits in his autobiography to using marijuana and cocaine, and not as a one time thing either. I somehow doubt mainstream America is ready for that. It's not quite as easy to overlook as Arnold's use of steroids, which were not illegal at the time. Politicians and the media aside, not many people care about steroids.
    It's true - rec drugs are villified in the public conscious far more than steroids for the most part. Marijuana seems to be (slightly) less so than it was in the 1980's and 1990's, but its still canon fodder for a media smear campaign.

    I think it's the whole idea of the the war against drugs, and what they say we can and can't put in our bodies.
    Yes, its total BS. And yet, as someone who claims to have used drugs in the past and claims to be a champion for those affected by poor policy in this country, he fully supports the 'War on Drugs' and even plans on dumping more money into this pathetic criminal violation of the Constitution:

    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_...eans_needs_is_

    This is one of the biggest, most undervalued, indicators of a person's character there is.

    For the most part, we are the company we keep
    That's the damn truth.

    bv

  14. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    I couldn't care less what drugs Obama used. In fact, him using those drugs opened him up to another subculture, and he probably learned from his experiences, which almost always is a positive thing. I think all drugs should be legalized and let the idiots who can't control themselves OD and die off. But that's for another discussion.
    I don't personally care about the drug issue either, but mainstream America is gonna get this story:

    When McCain was a young man he was fighting for his country in Vietnam, being held as a POW, and never giving in to despair while being tortured to betray his country..

    When Obama was a young man, he lost heart in the system and turned to drugs...

    Who is America going to embrace???

    Drug use is the least of my concerns, Obama's stance on guns, taxes, and just about every other policy is what repels me. However, wait and see what hits the front pages.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by joecski View Post
    I don't personally care about the drug issue either, but mainstream America is gonna get this story:

    When McCain was a young man he was fighting for his country in Vietnam, being held as a POW, and never giving in to despair while being tortured to betray his country..

    When Obama was a young man, he lost heart in the system and turned to drugs...

    Who is America going to embrace???

    Drug use is the least of my concerns, Obama's stance on guns, taxes, and just about every other policy is what repels me. However, wait and see what hits the front pages.

    I'm not thrilled with any canidate choice, but it's not about who you were, it's about who you are....now. Everything does stupid things when they are young.

    IMO paying taxes doesn't bother me as long as they are going to be used for americans....in america, for legit reasons, infrastructure, even welfare if a person works full time but still has trouble.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by joecski View Post
    I don't personally care about the drug issue either, but mainstream America is gonna get this story:

    When McCain was a young man he was fighting for his country in Vietnam, being held as a POW, and never giving in to despair while being tortured to betray his country..

    When Obama was a young man, he lost heart in the system and turned to drugs...

    Who is America going to embrace???

    Drug use is the least of my concerns, Obama's stance on guns, taxes, and just about every other policy is what repels me. However, wait and see what hits the front pages.
    do you work for McCain


    In all honesty, none of the 3 are great choices, however when you think republicans wanted Bush over McCain in 2000,that says something

  17. Obama's campaign keeps unraveling unfavorable information about him. By the time election day comes he will have already undone himself.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I hate to put it so crassly, but if Obama wins what's the over/under on time to assassination (or at least an attempt)?
    Funny you should mention that. When he made those foolish remarks the other day, I immediately thought that maybe this guy's thinking a shot at being president isn't worth dying over.

    Re:
    "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." -Barack Obama

  19. At the time I thought Obama would win when I voted. However, I would probably be up for changing my vote at this point and saying McCain has a better chance at getting voted in.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    I'm not thrilled with any canidate choice, but it's not about who you were, it's about who you are....now. Everything does stupid things when they are young.

    IMO paying taxes doesn't bother me as long as they are going to be used for americans....in america, for legit reasons, infrastructure, even welfare if a person works full time but still has trouble.
    I think we can all agree that taxes is a necessary evil, especially in America. Without taxes, we wouldn't be able to take advantage of the many things we take for granted, such as roads, schools (debatable), etc. And I don't mind paying some taxes as long as it will help people get back on their feet in times of trouble. I think the welfare state is a good thing IF it works the way it's supposed to, which it does for many people. But many people also abuse the **** out of it. Also, you said you don't mind paying taxes if it helps Americans. But the Democrats want higher taxes so it can help the millions of illegals that live here in the U.S.! So how is that going back to Americans?

  21. If anyone would have been assassinated of all the candidates, it would have Ron Paul if he took office. MANY people in government and big business would definitely not be very happy if he made it in to office. Big government helps big business tremendously, and when you have a candidate that is really trying to downsize the government and cut advantages to businesses, you get a lot of powerful, pissed off people.

  22. I think we can all agree that taxes is a necessary evil, especially in America. Without taxes, we wouldn't be able to take advantage of the many things we take for granted, such as roads, schools (debatable), etc. And I don't mind paying some taxes as long as it will help people get back on their feet in times of trouble. I think the welfare state is a good thing IF it works the way it's supposed to, which it does for many people. But many people also abuse the **** out of it. Also, you said you don't mind paying taxes if it helps Americans. But the Democrats want higher taxes so it can help the millions of illegals that live here in the U.S.! So how is that going back to Americans?
    Right - I mean I can't see the bookwork - but I'll bet a very large portion of government funds are misappropriated. No one wants to give up their pork barrell spending, so they just tax tax tax, and then give themselves raises to cover the cost.

    The system is defintiely broken in a lot of ways - the question is...will people fix it in time, or at some point will more drastic measures be necessary?

    As long as we have 2 parties monopolizing power in this country, Id put my money on the latter.

    BV

  23. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    Right - I mean I can't see the bookwork - but I'll bet a very large portion of government funds are misappropriated. No one wants to give up their pork barrell spending, so they just tax tax tax, and then give themselves raises to cover the cost.
    this is a sad but true statement across party lines

    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    As long as we have 2 parties monopolizing power in this country, Id put my money on the latter.

    BV
    sadly I cannot see a reliable 3rd party. I myself am an Ind. but no one ever gets taken too seriosuly, partly because some people will only vote down party lives

  24. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    Right - I mean I can't see the bookwork - but I'll bet a very large portion of government funds are misappropriated. No one wants to give up their pork barrell spending, so they just tax tax tax, and then give themselves raises to cover the cost.

    The system is defintiely broken in a lot of ways - the question is...will people fix it in time, or at some point will more drastic measures be necessary?

    As long as we have 2 parties monopolizing power in this country, Id put my money on the latter.

    BV
    Agreed, and it is a real source of conflict. Having served my country for 5 years, and ending up disabled for it, I hate to think what I envisioned I was protecting/serving is nothing but a beyond-corrupted racket. In the end, I serve the principles, not the administration.
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  25. GO NADER! No but seriously this election is driving me crazy enough that if he gets on the ballot I probably will vote for him just because he's not a corrupt scumbag like the rest of them. Atleast he offers viable solutions to the big issues, health care, energy crisis, war etc. Something needs to be done and I don't think Obama/Clinton/Mcain offer any thing more than usual empty promises.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by dadream View Post
    I don't think Obama/Clinton/Mcain offer any thing more than usual empty promises.
    done and done, none of them are even in the ballpark at this point

  27. Quote Originally Posted by dadream View Post
    GO NADER! No but seriously this election is driving me crazy enough that if he gets on the ballot I probably will vote for him just because he's not a corrupt scumbag like the rest of them. Atleast he offers viable solutions to the big issues, health care, energy crisis, war etc. Something needs to be done and I don't think Obama/Clinton/Mcain offer any thing more than usual empty promises.
    Viable solutions? If high taxes and more government regulation is your definition of a viable solution to our problems, then by all means vote for the guy!

    And I agree, all three candidates suck balls!

  28. they're all as bad as each other, they're just puppets for higher powers,

    they're there not to serve the people but the blood suckers who profit from people.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    Viable solutions? If high taxes and more government regulation is your definition of a viable solution to our problems, then by all means vote for the guy!

    And I agree, all three candidates suck balls!
    Yea Im not in favor of higher taxes, but sh!t i'd pay more to keep those other idiots out of office. As for more government regulations, thats not neccessarily a bad thing. You like the airbags in your car? Stricter regulation on industry pollution? sounds ok to me. Again hes not perfect, but if he gets on the ballot hes got my vote.

  30. Should be Ron Paul IMO
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