A soldier's perspective on the war
- 03-28-2008, 02:32 PM
A soldier's perspective on the war
Someone sent it to me, and it was an interesting read.
In Iraq, Was I a Torturer? | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet
What do you think?
- 03-29-2008, 12:54 AM
don't have time to read the whole thing, but on the first page this stands out:
'In survey after survey, as many as two-thirds of Americans say torture is justified when it's used to get information from terrorists. In an ABC/Washington Post poll in the wake of the 2004 scandal, 60 percent of respondents classified what happened at Abu Ghraib as mere abuse, not torture. And as recently as last year, 68 percent of Americans told Pew Research pollsters that they consider torture an acceptable option when dealing with terrorists.'
'terrorists' with whom you have no connection whatsoever, and you don't have to administer, see,smell, or hear it yourself, isn't it? Everyone is guilty of spouting off ignorant opinions including myself, but damn, sometimes people can be so disgusting in suprising ways...
- 03-29-2008, 01:30 AM
03-29-2008, 04:50 AM
well since the terrorists think cutting off heads of Americans on camara is good times, why should we care what happens to them?
03-29-2008, 11:02 AM
03-29-2008, 11:35 AM
entire armies down to a man are full of nothing but murderous beasts and we can just torture them all. Especially since we (the public at home) don't have to get our hands dirty or our minds scarred, we have our soldiers for that,
so just tell them to do it while we go on to live our peaceful lives.
George Orwell is credited for the quote 'You sleep safe in your beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do you harm.', but the exact wording often varies, and there isn't any actual proof of him ever writing it. Occasionally, it's a quote also attributed to winston churchill. Regardless of its source, it's a good quote i think.
03-29-2008, 07:16 PM
03-29-2008, 08:35 PM
04-02-2008, 03:07 AM
04-02-2008, 03:19 AM
im not PRO torture but these animals dont understand fair treatment sometimes. and NO im not calling them all animals but when you see the way they kill each other and have no regard for life then you have a hard time seeing them as people.
i`d rather kill a bunch of them and be wrong then not kill them and be dead. simple as that.
BTW- i was there. and its easy to talk about the right thing to do when there isn`t someone trying to kill you everyday.
04-02-2008, 09:19 AM
04-02-2008, 10:34 AM
Torture is not something the military should be involved with IMO. It should only be done by highly trained individuals within the CIA against KNOWN sources of vital, life saving information, not just suspects.
Say some guy had your family held captive and they were in imminent danger. Now suppose you captured one of his partners that knew where they were. What would you be willing to do to get information out of him? I would rip his nails out, break his toes, stick needles in his balls etc.
Now imagine the captive in question has information regarding a plot to detonate a dirty bomb against civilians. He would receive no mercy from me.
04-02-2008, 10:50 AM
What i find interesting when I talk to soldiers there or their family. Pretty much universally they say that things in Iraq are much better than the media shows. They say they've seen huge improvements in quality of life there, as well as in the iraqi army/police stepping up and gaining in skill + quality
04-02-2008, 02:50 PM
04-02-2008, 03:42 PM
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