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    Well on the bright side, at least after they seize all you property and assets and imprison you , they can't torture you too much !

    we are now officially doomed !

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    Yeah I like that whole "pose a risk of". How exactly can that be determined and how is it even remotely legal to prosecute someone for "future crimes".

    ****, even in Minority Report they at least had those precog people who could actually see the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius View Post
    Yeah I like that whole "pose a risk of". How exactly can that be determined and how is it even remotely legal to prosecute someone for "future crimes".
    Exactly. If the Order had been worded as follows I still think Bush is once again overstepping his bounds, but the it may at least be debatable or defendable under some strange Tony Snow rationale:


    "I hereby report that I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed __________________ an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."


    But, when you consider this part I omitted, or to pose a significant risk of, this is worrisome and could be abused very readily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigSMokey View Post
    Exactly. If the order had been worded as follows, I still think he is once again overstepping his bounds, but the Order may at least be debatable or defendable under some strange Tony Snow rationale:


    "I hereby report that I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, __________________ an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."


    But, when you consider this part I omitted, or to pose a significant risk of, this is worrisome and could be abused very readily.
    ...and in a worse case scenario what if you replace the word IRAQ with the words UNITED STATES
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius View Post
    Yeah I like that whole "pose a risk of". How exactly can that be determined and how is it even remotely legal to prosecute someone for "future crimes".

    ****, even in Minority Report they at least had those precog people who could actually see the future.
    Pose a risk of would be Mohammed Bin Al Jaheed making a giant bomb. Isnt attempted murder a crime? Isnt attempting to solicit a prostitute a crime? You are not very insightful if you can see that having the intention of doing many things is illegal. I dont know how you think this is unreasonable. More wing nut conspiracy theories on the internet. Say it isnt so!

    If treasonous speech was illegal then John Murtha, Michael Moore, Obama, Edwards, Gore and just about every other democrat besides Leberman would be down vacationing in Gitmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    Pose a risk of would be Mohammed Bin Al Jaheed making a giant bomb. Isnt attempted murder a crime? Isnt attempting to solicit a prostitute a crime? You are not very insightful if you can see that having the intention of doing many things is illegal. I dont know how you think this is unreasonable. More wing nut conspiracy theories on the internet. Say it isnt so!

    If treasonous speech was illegal then John Murtha, Michael Moore, Obama, Edwards, Gore and just about every other democrat besides Leberman would be down vacationing in Gitmo.
    Since when has the right-wing trusted the government? This country is now officially ass-backwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    Pose a risk of would be Mohammed Bin Al Jaheed making a giant bomb. Isnt attempted murder a crime? Isnt attempting to solicit a prostitute a crime? You are not very insightful if you can see that having the intention of doing many things is illegal. I dont know how you think this is unreasonable. More wing nut conspiracy theories on the internet. Say it isnt so!

    If treasonous speech was illegal then John Murtha, Michael Moore, Obama, Edwards, Gore and just about every other democrat besides Leberman would be down vacationing in Gitmo.

    Dude, you are one seriously ****ed up ombre if you don't see a problem with using the words "pose a risk of" in a legal document. "Pose a risk of" doesn't mean attempt, buddy boy. It means someone thinks they might do something sometime in the future. No timeline has to be given even according to this document. To top it off, only 1 guy has to make the call and he doesn't have to answer to anyone. So there doesn't have to be a reason at all.

    This isn't about right and left. Wake the **** up, kiddo. This is about an executive order that we'd expect to see in the USSR not the USA.
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    "I hereby report that I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."

    and what can we do about this? nothing.

    i can absolutely see how protesting the war makes a person a target of this order. this is truly scary
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    Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    "I hereby report that I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."

    and what can we do about this? nothing.

    i can absolutely see how protesting the war makes a person a target of this order. this is truly scary

    What's really really ****ed up about this is, complaining about Haliburton in any way can make you a target:

    "pose a significant risk of... undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction"

    Since Haliburton has all those contracts, if you do anything to hurt that company they can say you are undermining the efforts to promote economic reconstruction in Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius View Post
    What's really really ****ed up about this is, complaining about Haliburton in any way can make you a target:

    "pose a significant risk of... undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction"

    Since Haliburton has all those contracts, if you do anything to hurt that company they can say you are undermining the efforts to promote economic reconstruction in Iraq.
    Complaining about Haliburton (the company Clinton used during the Kosovo conflict) doesnt mean ****. Threatening to blow up their company or conspiring to do so does mean something. I cant believe someone would be paranoid enough actually believe this is an attempt to limit protesting or free speech.

    No court of law would side with an attack on free speech, and no president is stupid enough to even attempt to attack free speech. (Some democrats are attempting though with the "fairness" doctrine.)

    In today's age of radically anti Bush, anti executive power media if someone was actually abused the media would parade them around for the next 3 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius View Post
    Dude, you are one seriously ****ed up ombre if you don't see a problem with using the words "pose a risk of" in a legal document. "Pose a risk of" doesn't mean attempt, buddy boy. It means someone thinks they might do something sometime in the future. No timeline has to be given even according to this document. To top it off, only 1 guy has to make the call and he doesn't have to answer to anyone. So there doesn't have to be a reason at all.

    This isn't about right and left. Wake the **** up, kiddo. This is about an executive order that we'd expect to see in the USSR not the USA.
    Bush doesnt have to answer to anyone? You mean not even the supreme court? I want what you are smoking please. No timeline has to be given on when someone is going to bang the prostitute they picked up, but that is irrelevant. And if you are even attempting to relate this document to limiting free speech you are completely delusional. Must be all the Alex Jones movies and books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    "I hereby report that I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."

    and what can we do about this? nothing.

    i can absolutely see how protesting the war makes a person a target of this order. this is truly scary
    So treasonous violent criminal acts count as protesting now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    So treasonous violent criminal acts count as protesting now?
    well since cheney defined war protesting as "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"...it doesnt really sound that far fetched. especially when there are no checks and balances on this executive order.

    the supreme court? id like to ahve some of what YOU are smoking my friend. there are 9 members of the supreme court...with the majority of sitting judges republicans. it doesnt matter what bush does, he is always going to have support from the republicans, including those sitting on the supreme court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    well since cheney defined war protesting as "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"...it doesnt really sound that far fetched. especially when there are no checks and balances on this executive order.

    the supreme court? id like to ahve some of what YOU are smoking my friend. there are 9 members of the supreme court...with the majority of sitting judges republicans. it doesnt matter what bush does, he is always going to have support from the republicans, including those sitting on the supreme court.
    Setback for Bush on ‘enemy combatants’ - U.S. Security - MSNBC.com

    true peace is the presence of justice...: u.s. supreme court rejected bush administration arguments re: habeas rights...

    Justices overrule Bush on Gitmo - U.S. Security - MSNBC.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post

    the supreme court? id like to ahve some of what YOU are smoking my friend. there are 9 members of the supreme court...with the majority of sitting judges republicans. it doesnt matter what bush does, he is always going to have support from the republicans, including those sitting on the supreme court.
    Not only that fact, but Chuck's assertion that Bush or any other president answers to the Supreme Court shows a profound ignorance of our system of government. It is congress that has the greatest ability to put the breaks on a President, in more ways than one.

    But jomi, that's the way it is with the radical right, if you shift too far from their system of beliefs, you are either on drugs (preferably smoking something), a nutcase, nutjob (the term "nut" is such a powerful arguement that it may adorned with any number of suffixes). A tinfoil hat wearer, drinking Kool-Aid (whether the implication is the Kool-Aid contains drugs or cyanide, I'm not sure), a pinko, an America-Hater. This list is not exhaustive. Facts are secondary or minor considerations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post

    and what can we do about this? nothing.

    i can absolutely see how protesting the war makes a person a target of this order. this is truly scary
    You think that's scary, Google the terms May 9th directive. When and if 9/11 Act 2 commences, the subject of that directive with be all the more grave.
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    ive read it. gives bush complete dictatorial power over the entire nation.

    bet it happens right before elections
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    No timeline has to be given on when someone is going to bang the prostitute they picked up, but that is irrelevant.
    You might want to actually look at laws pertaining to prostitution before making stupid analogies that don't even make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigSMokey View Post

    But jomi, that's the way it is with the radical right, if you shift too far from their system of beliefs, you are either on drugs (preferably smoking something), a nutcase, nutjob (the term "nut" is such a powerful arguement that it may adorned with any number of suffixes). A tinfoil hat wearer, drinking Kool-Aid (whether the implication is the Kool-Aid contains drugs or cyanide, I'm not sure), a pinko, an America-Hater. This list is not exhaustive. Facts are secondary or minor considerations.
    Or you can do what the radical right does and clump all of this into one word.....LIBERAL

    or the other...TERRORIST. I think CNorris likes to use both of these together while trying to make some point about how evil these people (liberls or those who believe differently than him) are. From what i gather from his pontifications, liberals are more of a threat to this country than al qaeda. I guess since I can be considered a liberal i am therefor 'threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people'. Should I be expecting a visit from the spetsnaz or SS, CNorris?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbtboy View Post
    You might want to actually look at laws pertaining to prostitution before making stupid analogies that don't even make sense.
    I know what the laws are. The person has to agree to sex for money. It still doesn't establish a time frame, only the intent of sex for money. This analogy doesn't make sense if you thought process is convoluted enough to believe the US gov't wants to take us over like Nazi Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigSMokey View Post
    Not only that fact, but Chuck's assertion that Bush or any other president answers to the Supreme Court shows a profound ignorance of our system of government. It is congress that has the greatest ability to put the breaks on a President, in more ways than one.

    Congress does not have much power unless they have a big enough majority to over ride the president's veto. How many times has Bush had a veto over ridden or had a law passed that directly challenged his authority? How many times has he been challenged by the supreme court? Right now the supreme court would be more of a threat to challenge him. If he was the nazi dictator all the Michael Mooreons believe him to be, Congress would assert power and challenge him.

    But jomi, that's the way it is with the radical right, if you shift too far from their system of beliefs, you are either on drugs (preferably smoking something), a nutcase, nutjob (the term "nut" is such a powerful arguement that it may adorned with any number of suffixes). A tinfoil hat wearer, drinking Kool-Aid (whether the implication is the Kool-Aid contains drugs or cyanide, I'm not sure), a pinko, an America-Hater. This list is not exhaustive. Facts are secondary or minor considerations.

    If the shoe fits....
    Conservatives believe the government is well meaning in matters of national security. The government is not out to control us, declare martial law, strip us of all our civil liberties and rape the constitution. Those paranoid delusions are for the wing nut tinfoil hat kool aid drinking paranoid basement dwelling losers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post

    In today's age of radically anti Bush, anti executive power media if someone was actually abused the media would parade them around for the next 3 years.....


    Those paranoid delusions are for the wing nut tinfoil hat kool aid drinking paranoid basement dwelling losers.
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    Pat: Sorry Chuck, only vowels, you'll need to use your keyboard for that. Hey Vanna, send him home with a couple of commas also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    This analogy doesn't make sense if you thought process is convoluted enough to believe the US gov't wants to take us over like Nazi Germany.
    Sorry, can't find where zbtboy said that. False presumtion is becoming a favored debate technique among the O'Reilly crowd.

    Get it through your head: Most Americans don't necessarily hate or fear the government as you've eluded to countless times. They are fed-up with, and completely distrust, this administration.. But then again, you wouldn't have your "America-Haters"" talking point if you didn't make the former assumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    no president is stupid enough to even attempt to attack free speech.
    well, maybe one
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    Conservatives believe the government is well meaning in matters of national security. The government is not out to control us, declare martial law, strip us of all our civil liberties and rape the constitution.
    Yes, I only wish our government was controlled by conservatives !
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    So treasonous violent criminal acts count as protesting now?
    No, its "protesting" now counts as a treasonous violent criminal act !

    That's the reason people are upset !
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    I'm just waiting for Bobo and Dr. John to chime in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhino View Post
    No, its "protesting" now counts as a treasonous violent criminal act !

    That's the reason people are upset !
    "I hereby report that I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."

    Since when is commiting acts of voilence a form of protesting? I wish left wing idiot protesters became violent. I would love to get a gun and rid this planet of some useless flesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhino View Post
    well, maybe one
    Last I checked it was the democrats wanting to limit free speech with the "fairness" doctirine.
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    I would love to get a gun and rid this planet of some useless flesh.
    WAIT A MINUTE !!! SUICIDE IS NOT THE ANSWER !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    Last I checked it was the democrats wanting to limit free speech with the "fairness" doctirine.
    Yes cause the fairness doctrine is much worse than an executive order allowing the president to detain anyone he thinks is a threat to him. That poor old woman that had cheese in her luggage, surrounded with ice packs that leaked, and a cell phone charger next to it (that this administration seems to think was a "dry-run" for terrorists)...I'm sure she's more concerned with the fairness doctrine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbtboy View Post
    Yes cause the fairness doctrine is much worse than an executive order allowing the president to detain anyone he thinks is a threat to him. That poor old woman that had cheese in her luggage, surrounded with ice packs that leaked, and a cell phone charger next to it (that this administration seems to think was a "dry-run" for terrorists)...I'm sure she's more concerned with the fairness doctrine.
    Oh yeah its so alarmist to be suspicious when someone has freaking wires, switches and cheese all taped together. If you are retarded enough to freaking bring cheese in your luggage bag you are an idiot and being stripped searched and harassed is brought on by your own stupidity.

    TSA to police: Look out for possible terrorist attack 'dry runs' - CNN.com

    Looks pretty innocent to me! If you are threatened by the government being alarmed over this, you are the kind of person that would get attacked first if this was a fair world.


    Since you cant F#CKING read, I will repeat myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    "I hereby report that I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."

    Since when is commiting acts of voilence a form of protesting? I wish left wing idiot protesters became violent. I would love to get a gun and rid this planet of some useless flesh.
    violence
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    ITS NOT PROTESTING. SEE!

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    When a person is offended by the government investigating why wires and cheese would be taped together, and not offended by the government controlling media like a Stalinist society we have a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius View Post
    I'm just waiting for Bobo and Dr. John to chime in here.
    Its just funny watching the paranoid people especially when BDS kicks in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobo View Post
    Its just funny watching the paranoid people especially when BDS kicks in.

    I had to look up BDS. Bush Derangement Syndrome
    BDS must be the after effect of PEST. Post Election Selection Trauma.
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    Let's get real guys.

    1. No one in here is a threat to the peace and prosperity of Iraq here. Let's not believe for a second that the gov't will start rounding up Americans who don't vote republican. We're all just a bunch of bodybuilders, not terrorists. It's just more scare tactics which can even further divide us citizens if we allow it to.

    2. Everything gets blown out of proportion when you're the president. People hated Clinton because he got a blow job, smoked weed, and just about pardoned every crook he knew. People hate Bush because they think he is stupid or because he nearly choked on a pretzel, or because they compare him to Hitler. It seems as if the only way a president is considered a hero by the masses is if he gets assassinated like Lincoln or Kennedy.

    3. A lot of people attack Bush from a corruption angle but let's be real. Every administration has had corruption and scandals. Even the NBA is fukcing rigged now a day LOL.

    4. If someone is posing a violent threat then I would hope we do something about it, don't you ? The president is in a no win situation. If he passes no bill then he will get criticized for not passing enough anti-terror bills. If he passes an anti-terror bill then he's suddenly compared to Hitler or Stalin. It's just impossible to satisfy all the people all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    Oh yeah its so alarmist to be suspicious when someone has freaking wires, switches and cheese all taped together. If you are retarded enough to freaking bring cheese in your luggage bag you are an idiot and being stripped searched and harassed is brought on by your own stupidity.

    TSA to police: Look out for possible terrorist attack 'dry runs' - CNN.com

    Looks pretty innocent to me! If you are threatened by the government being alarmed over this, you are the kind of person that would get attacked first if this was a fair world.


    Since you cant F#CKING read, I will repeat myself.



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    ITS NOT PROTESTING. SEE!

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    Actually. if you bothered to read the facts as opposed to just believing what CNN tells you (I cant believe i just made that comment to you btw) you'll find that in none of the instances in which the TSA brought up had wires been tapped to cheese. The wires, one for a cell phone, and the other for a dvd player were simply next to the block of cheese. And the claim about clay was incorrect as well. There was no clay at all, but a clay like texture after the ice bags leaked. In other words, there was NO DRY RUN at all. Just more fear mongering out of Washington. The TSA on the scene conducted their investigations and found no wrong doing in any of the circumstances! No arrests were made! Yet the high level TSA comes out with this crap?

    Again, the issue was not why the TSA stopped these people. They did their jobs quite well. But why did washington feel the need to use the term "Dry-Run" when there in fact wasn't one??

    I dont know why i bother explaining this to you, your helpless and i feel sorry for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbtboy View Post
    Actually. if you bothered to read the facts as opposed to just believing what CNN tells you (I cant believe i just made that comment to you btw) you'll find that in none of the instances in which the TSA brought up had wires been tapped to cheese. The wires, one for a cell phone, and the other for a dvd player were simply next to the block of cheese. And the claim about clay was incorrect as well. There was no clay at all, but a clay like texture after the ice bags leaked. In other words, there was NO DRY RUN at all. Just more fear mongering out of Washington. The TSA on the scene conducted their investigations and found no wrong doing in any of the circumstances! No arrests were made! Yet the high level TSA comes out with this crap?

    Again, the issue was not why the TSA stopped these people. They did their jobs quite well. But why did washington feel the need to use the term "Dry-Run" when there in fact wasn't one??

    I dont know why i bother explaining this to you, your helpless and i feel sorry for you.
    BDS in full effect.

    Again, the issue was not why the TSA stopped these people.
    It isn't? Oh I got it, its because they used the term dry run in a memo. Stop the presses!!!!

    That poor old woman that had cheese in her luggage, surrounded with ice packs that leaked, and a cell phone charger next to it

    You do understand that to determine if its a legit dry run or not they do actually have to stop and investigate...but I forgot, its not why they stopped them.

    cause the fairness doctrine is much worse than an executive order allowing the president to detain anyone he thinks is a threat to him.
    Do you always misinterpret this bad? Its always been policy to detain anyone showing and or even speaking about threatening the President. I got a bet for you. Go to Washington, go to the White House, hold up your anti-war protest sign and see if you get arrested. If you do, I'll give you $1,000 and pay for your trip. Lets just see how bad you misinterpret these Executive Orders.
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