Surgeon General - Bush Cripples Science ?
- 07-16-2007, 07:58 AM
Surgeon General - Bush Cripples Science ?
- 07-16-2007, 01:17 PM
thats a pretty biased report and leaves out a lot of pertinent information. bush was against government spending on stem cells. Bush already spends over $100 million federal tax dollars per year on planned parent hood alone. (in planned parenthoods own income statement it says they received over $250million.)
but the real question is do we want our policitians pretending to be scientists when they have no background in the field? ie al gore and global warming. -
- 07-16-2007, 08:20 PM
It's pretty hard to prove a point without being biased. This report was just the opinion of the former surgeon generals, if you have an interest you can research it for yourself.
Should the government spend money on stem cell or other morally ambiguous research? absolutely not !
Should the government inhibit free market research done by private industry? absolutely not !!!
I don't think the government should be involved at all with this kind of project. These are areas that can best be served by the private sector, who then could reap the benefits of their own research!
I would love to have the choice between Glaxo or Pfizer brand stem cells !!!
That is how the free market is intended to serve mankind !!! - 07-16-2007, 11:36 PM
- 07-17-2007, 02:11 AM
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- 07-25-2007, 06:22 AM
Well as for my noodle its been al dente for years!
Global warming has been with us for millions of years and is caused mostly by the sun and the oceans creating rising thermals.
Global warming "Hysteria" is a complete fraud designed to create a world tax.
Along with other agendas, the main reason for governments worldwide to back Global Warming so heavily is so that a "Global Carbon Tax" can be levied upon the population of the Earth. According to another article by Paul Joseph Watson of PrisonPlanet.com, "the New York Times ran an editorial calling on the government to impose a carbon tax on humans for the air we breathe!"
Whenever you hear the words "politically correct" it means thought control or don't think! - 07-25-2007, 11:42 AM
I dunno; thousands of world scientists got together and said "humans are contributing to global warming." All the top climatologists in the world agreed on that. When that many climatologists agree on a point, it tends to discredit any notion of a conspiracy theory. Especially since when the politicians got involved they demanded the wording of the report be made less severe and for global warming to sound less harsh.
I'm of the mind that unless you yourself are an expert on climatology, you don't really have enough credentials to go against the majority who ARE. Doc, I'm not any kind of an expert on HRT. So you'd agree that for me to argue with you about HRT would be pretty stupid right? Well, I think we should all really think about that the next time we argue with what the majority fo teh world's best climatologists think.
So if nearly every single climate nerd in the world says humans are contributing to global warming; I'm inclined to trust what they say. As for a "global tax" that's really nonsense. There is a LOT more money to be made by with oil, coal, wood, and all the other CO2 releasing fuels. - 07-25-2007, 12:10 PM
ha ha.. at one time the "majority" thought that the world was round and the sun revolved around the earth. and in modern times these are the same "top climatologists" who brought you global cooling back in the 1970's.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15391426/site/newsweek/ - 07-25-2007, 12:58 PM
- 07-25-2007, 02:41 PM
The weathmen around here are pretty darn accurate. They get more and more accurate every year.
As for the evidence you are pointing to, Doc, I'm no climatologist and niether are you. We don't have the expertise needed to argue from that level. I do know that big report that came out did NOT say humans are the CAUSE of global warming, just that they are a definite contributor. So I'm sure all the stuff you mentioned there was taken into account.
Like I said, you criticizing them would be like me coming in here and saying "HRT is bogus, everyone knows Testosterone kills brain cells, blah blah blah." You'd go off on me and you'd have every right to. You've got a medical degree and are possibly the most respected HRT specialist in the country. At the very least in "our" community you are. I have no medical degree. You had years of education and experience. I have not. I would have absolutely positively NO GROUND to stand on the issue compared to you.
Likewise neither of us has any ground to stand on when arguing against the opinion of an expert climatologist. The best we can do is find experts who disagree. And then we can't really pick apart their arguments, all we can do is look for alterior motives, etc. - 07-25-2007, 05:36 PM
Didn't here about any of that. I'd be interested in seeing some articles on that.
Why don't you all know of them?
THAT is the real question. You see, whether or not the earth is warming is actually a highly debated topic--amongst true professionals. And whether it is caused by Mankind is debatable as well, but a point on top of that. Another point, the one which completely clouds the picture, is the purposeful misinformation being propagated for political gain. THAT should enrage everyone.
So you see, I am merely listening to both sides of an arguement, making sure I have gathered information from both sides, made by legitmate experts. I do not claim to be any sort of authority on the weather. Don't need to in order to smell a skunk.
So, is Al Gore a weather expert? Funny, he thinks he can tell you what the temperature will be in 30 years, but he still has problems with his own election results.
I have seen, heard and read so many expert opinions of how ridiculous the claims in the movie "Inconvenient Truths" are. Please see my previous post for examples.
Do you recognize it is the Democrats, with their buddies in the Liberal media, who are thus "crippling science"? "Ulterior motives" for sure.
Perhaps you should take a look at the actual problem: non-scientists messing with scientific study. It ain't liberal, it ain't conservative. It's about people who don't know **** trying to mess with the work of people who do. If you only focus on one political party messing with scientists, all you get is science messed with by another political party. Which is just as bad. - 07-25-2007, 05:55 PM
no, i think he'd be well qualified. Being a doctor, i would assume that he is well versed in the scientific method. and in being versed, he could look at the data that they use to try and explain the global warming hypothesis and tell whether its bs or not. its really not that complicated as you are trying to make it out to be
- 07-25-2007, 07:51 PM
- 07-25-2007, 09:53 PM
Yeah I'll agree those folks have a liberal slant which is a shame. But TV stations don't have power over research. They can spin it one way or another and pull scare tactic crap, but they aren't the guys funding it. And they sure as heck don't have the power ot pull the plug on any research.
I saw the interviews on FOXNEWS--where you get both sides of a story.
Then again, Lohan and Hilton are like watching a trainwreck. Strangely fascinating.
And with a PhD level scientifically trained mind, I am able to separate the wheat from the chaff with respect to whether arguements are being presented appropriately. But it doesn't take all that--merely common sense (which ain't too common, eh?).
As for being scientifically trained, all that means is depending on the complexity of what is being looked at, you may be able to tell whether or not they have enough information to come to the conclusion they are claiming to have come to.
It's just that ALL we keep hearing/seeing/reading about is how bad the Bush Administration is for "crippling science". Just adding some fair and balanced perspective.
And likewise, with thousands of the world's top climatologists all coming to a consensus and saying humans contribute to global warming says to me, they are probably right. It's tough to get that many to agree, so whe nthey do, you better listen. - 07-26-2007, 09:23 AM
- 07-26-2007, 10:12 AM
I am not convinced global climate change is anthropogenic however I did read an article about that video (I have watched it too) that the producers edited it in a way that one of the scientists is made to seem against human causes but he is not, and the scientist was going to sue. I recall another discrepancy but don't remember details- point being some of that info is likely incorrect.
- 07-26-2007, 10:15 AM
- 07-26-2007, 10:22 AM
I would be pretty amazed if a video like this was not criticized...
Its now to the point where investors are solidifying the viewpoint because the "green" industry is such a beast.
Whenever you edit something the bias factor will always be brought up. I would rather see a video like this which gives a counterpoint to another film in which several viewpoints are "conveniently" left out.For answers to board issues, read the Suggestion and News forum at the bottom of the main page. - 07-26-2007, 11:12 AM
Bobo, that's like one of those 911 conspiracy theory videos. You should know better.
And I gotta say, JESUS ****ING CHRIST! I come on here and say FOXNEWS is biased and get blasted like I'm some liberal dirtbag. Look if you don't want to admit FOXNEWS is ridiculously biased, fine, live in a dream. But don't blast me for pointing out the obvious. - 07-26-2007, 12:57 PM
Yeah, the list of scientists refuting AL Gore with actual data is like a 9/11 conspiracy film. Wow. That might be the weakest statement you've ever made. You seriously are lost with comments like that.
I should know better? I do, unlike your assumption that thousands of scientists (even though its not) must be right. Yeah, I should know better.For answers to board issues, read the Suggestion and News forum at the bottom of the main page. - 07-26-2007, 01:03 PM
- 07-26-2007, 01:08 PM
- 07-26-2007, 07:38 PM
Lousy stinkin' fact based video trying to prove an unpopular theory
as if the freedom of speech included everyone and not just the popular kids! How dare they ?!?!?!
Dude , if I was a climatologist I would be like, "oh yeah it serious give us more money, so we can figure this thing out, this may take years. oh and don't pay attention to outrageous conspiracy theories to the contrary." - 07-26-2007, 10:49 PM
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