now i can understand why michael moore wants subsidized healthcare. hes so fat and out of shape he would have to pay a fortune if he had to pay it himeself.
Moore is a damn pinko for sure but you're right, he DESTROYED Wolf in that clip. It was pretty embarrassing to watch.
now i can understand why michael moore wants subsidized healthcare. hes so fat and out of shape he would have to pay a fortune if he had to pay it himeself.
I am an American who has lived in several parts of the world, including Europe and South America, and I think Moore is an American hero.You guys may hate more but I find his films refreshing and a good representative of the state of the country, more so than the evening news!
*Note* I am a Brit living in Canada so I don't truly know what it's like, you guys live it
Doesn't surprise me. Then there are people on this forum who thank god everyday we aren't like Europe and South America.I am an American who has lived in several parts of the world, including Europe and South America, and I think Moore is an American hero.
It must work on all those illegal immigrants trying to come here as well. We are so good at brainwashing our own citizens, we can actually extend it to other countries as well.Many Americans, like some on this forum, are in denial about the state of our country. They've been so brainwashed into thinking we are the greatest country on the face of this earth, that there is no room for improvement or criticism.
Funny, I don't think its the conservatives who call Bush Hitler...They are so backwards in their thinking that they denounce anybody who doesn't think like them as "pinkos" or "commies", as if we were still living in Joseph McCarthy's 1950s.
That was 85% of the public in 2002. Pissing on the Constitution? Yeah, he's restricted so many things in my life. I can't do nearly as much as I did back in 2000. Its so oppressive in this country...These are people who will wave the American flag as our president is pissing on the U.S. Constitution.
:blink:Who are more apt to vote on American Idol than the Presidential Election.
My debt is just fine. But maybe I'm brainwashed to tihnk that.Who will fight for the freedoms of their corporate slave masters as they drown in debt in desperately trying to keep up appearances.
Kind of like the 26% who approve of that great Democratic Congress. They are doing a splendid job. All talk, no walk. That Pelosi is doing a GREAT job! Ask Cindy Sheehan!They are the few. The proud. The 30 percenters who still support Bush because "he sticks to what he believes in" -- regardless of reality.
Funny, I can't remember the last liberal President. Oh that must of been Carter..who had a worse rating than Bush WITHOUT a war.They are our sheep.
Oh come on! You are just sheep! You are brainwashed! You didn't see your doctor that fast...you just THOUGHT you did!!!now i can understand why michael moore wants subsidized healthcare. hes so fat and out of shape he would have to pay a fortune if he had to pay it himeself.
and speaking of wait times, i had to go to the doctor today (family practitioner) i called at 7:30am to make an appointment and saw the doctor today at 9:00am. thats some wait time :blink:
Gallup has it @ 14%.Kind of like the 26% who approve of that great Democratic Congress.
Doesn't surprise me. Then there are people on this forum who thank god everyday we aren't like Europe and South America.
It must work on all those illegal immigrants trying to come here as well. We are so good at brainwashing our own citizens, we can actually extend it to other countries as well.
Funny, I don't think its the conservatives who call Bush Hitler...
Its not the right wing that wants to shut down talk radio because the left can't hang. Its so funny you liberals talk about rights and free speech...as long as its speech you agree with. If not, you want it regulated. Hypocrites.
That was 85% of the public in 2002. Pissing on the Constitution? Yeah, he's restricted so many things in my life. I can't do nearly as much as I did back in 2000. Its so oppressive in this country...
Funny, I can't remember the last liberal President. Oh that must of been Carter..who had a worse rating than Bush WITHOUT a war.
According to people like you, the world is ending, America is crumbling and everyone is sheep. America is to blame, we aren't that great of a country, its always our fault, and France is heaven on Earth. Adieu!!!
Yeah, their taxation and economic policy is going to bankrupt the continent. Real smart over there.Yeah, thank God we don't have the greater sex and drug related freedom of places in Europe or the real democracy of Latin America where you can be elected to a high office without tons of corporate sponsors helping you along.
Because we're the only country in the world with immigrants. And "greatest" is subjective. The US is the richest, most powerful country in the world. It does not have the highest standard of living, life expectancy, or degree of civil liberties.
And many are.Real conservatives would be against Bush's many radical policies. But yes, it goes both ways.
Really? What "right wing" shut down politically incorrect? They must have "The Daily Show" and "Countdown" targeted now. They also must have NBC, CBS and ABC targeted as well. I can't wait to shut them all down...Indeed, it was the right wing that protested the show Politcally Incorrect because it expressed views they disagreed with, and DID get it shut down for pointing out the obvious. And it's the nationalistic media that distorts the words of anyone who points out some of the less-than-noble aspects of US foreign policy.
Thats stating the obvious but I also study the world view and most of the time they criticize us while their own country is in shambles....or their irrelevant.Both the left and the right do this. It's annoying that people have party loyalties that make them ignore the fact that both sides do the same thing and are devoted more to expanding their power and wealth than helping the citizens. National loyalty can blind someone's world view enough as it is without party loyalty.
Every government in the world does this and their isn't a government in the world, except the US, that has passed legslation stating that parts of the Geneva Convention apply to non citizens. France, England, Germany or any Middle Eastern have nothing even close.Maybe you have not been affected personally by the roll back on privacy, due process of law, etc. but other people have been. Some have been tortured in internment camps without charges just for suspicion of treason, eventually being let out because there was no proof.
But for the most part, yeah the US is pretty free on the world scale. Not as free as most of Europe, but it's a great place to live and it's easier to make money here than in many other countries. It's what the US leaders do to the rest of the world that is oppressive.
You can't BS about the economy when you have citizend fighting at the gas pump.Mainly because he didn't BS about the state of the economy and he had conservative foreign policy which stressed diplomatic solutions over killing thousands of civilians.
We're you asleep during the 80's because he got POUNDED.Both his deficit and his international body count were markedly lower than Reagan's, however. It's funny how the evil liberal media pretty much gave Reagan a free pass after his assassination attempt. Lying about selling weapons to Iran and using the money to fund terrorists was given less attention than Clinton lying about his sex life or Bush Sr. lying about taxes.
While according to people like you, American leaders are always noble and heroic in their foreign policy unlike leaders everywhere else in the world, they never put power interests over the lives of civilians, it's evil to criticize America but hating France is okay, we'd care just as much about Iraq if its main source of income was exporting coconuts instead of oil, and everyone in the world who thinks otherwise is just jealous of America.
Yeah, their taxation and economic policy is going to bankrupt the continent. Real smart over there.
Latin America's track record is something to celebrate
Yeah, I see Western Europe and Latin America with a real immigrant problem...oh thats right, they all come here.
"Politically Incorrect" (1994) - TriviaReally? What "right wing" shut down politically incorrect? They must have "The Daily Show" and "Countdown" targeted now. They also must have NBC, CBS and ABC targeted as well. I can't wait to shut them all down...
Thats stating the obvious but I also study the world view and most of the time they criticize us while their own country is in shambles....or their irrelevant.
Every government in the world does this and their isn't a government in the world, except the US, that has passed legslation stating that parts of the Geneva Convention apply to non citizens. France, England, Germany or any Middle Eastern have nothing even close.
Really? England, France and most of western Europe tax more than the US.
THey have more video and surveillance cameras in public spots wathcing you than the US by far. Their surveillance of the general public is MUCH more than US ever will. England and France both have legislation that gives the government the right to video and listen to you conversations for the protection of the people.....and its been in play for a long time.
You can't BS about the economy when you have citizend fighting at the gas pump.
Those "diplomatic" solution worked real well with Iran (hsotages) and Israel (ask them how they feel about him).
We're you asleep during the 80's because he got POUNDED.
People like me? Where did I ever say all American leaders are noble and heroic? Do you actually read what I post or does you generlaized view about everyone just force you to type your liberal talking points?
There is a difference between criticizing your leaders and governement and accusing them of everything thats gone wrong in the world while stating Latin America and European are flourishing because of their leaders and government policy.
Its just comical and flat out delusional. Their economies are completely sinking, their unemployment is almost double, their taxation system is archaic and their future in terms of economic progress is horrible.....
Ah ok....so you want real democracy under poor living conditions because of cartels and foreign invasions. Got it!Who said anything about their economic policy? And they're poor to begin with, which isn't helped by drug cartels and foreign invasions. I mentioned their greater level of real democracy, nothing else.
Because immigration isn't one of the biggest issues for their politicians during elections means no one immigrates there? Great argument. And actually most illegal immigrants into America come from Cuba or Mexico because America's the closest.
"Politically Incorrect" (1994) - Trivia
"ABC cancelled the show even though its ratings were strong, and in some markets it was beating out "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" (1992). Host Bill Maher has been quoted as saying it was because the politically conservative Walt Disney Corp., which owned ABC, didn't like his criticisms of the government of President George W. Bush."
It was specifically stopped for this comment:
"We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly. Stupid maybe, but not cowardly."
Which again goes back to my point about the nationalistic bias of the media.
Nobody said they didn't right, but I sure don't listen to them when tehy tell me how to run my country when their's is falling apart.A country being in shambles has little to do with its right to criticize foreign policy.
Could care less.For instance, the US isn't criticized for using veto power to prevent Israel from facing the consequences for recurring violations of international law just because other countries are jealous. I imagine most countries would also abused their power if they were the richest, most powerful country on Earth, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be criticized when it does happen.
Right, so secretly doing it while torturing them is worse then doing it public for all to see while passing legislation giving them certian rights....something other countries don't do. What pipe are you smoking?Yes, but most of them tend to do it in secret. Bush has basically came out and declared that anyone claimed to be a "terrorist" can essentially be considered a non-entity and not subject to international law.
I could care lessa bout their policies about social issues. Id o what I want in my own house and nobody bothers me here.....And most of Europe generally has better healthcare for the poor and longer lifespans. Here is a comparison of various levels of economic freedom between Europe and the US:
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/Images/chapters/Chap4_TableC1.gif
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/Images/chapters/Chap4_TableB1.gif
I'm generally talking about actual civil liberties, for instance less oppressive attitudes towards sex and drugs, less censorship, etc.
Nobody is fighting at the gas pumps....the tax cuts have helped...I have seen it personally...sorry your accountant didn't. Maybe you should get a better one.Sure you can. You can make some superficial tax cuts, keep spending money you don't have, and leave it to the next office to fix your mess.
Every historian int he world, even liberal professors will tell you the Carter administration and foreign policy was a complete failure. Risking huindred of thousands of people showing IRan who's boss? I suggest you brush on your history a bit because Carter authorized covert military action which resulted in failure.The hostages got turned over, didn't they? Although that was done after Reagan sold them missiles in return for the hostages. Pure coincidence that they were released right after Carter's term ended. I wonder if you would've preferred hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians dead and risking the hostages being killed so we could have the satisfaction of showing Iran who's boss.
Are you kidding me? It was every major news station for months.I know he was pounded outside the mainstream media (and rightfully so) which went easy on him after the asssination attempt.
And Iran Contra......there is a reason Oliver North has his own TV Show. I guess you can't see that when you don't the news much right?But today he's considered some sort of messiah figure. When the History Channel goes over presidents, about the only thing they say bad about Reagan is his economic policy.
Which cost him the election and I never really hear about it now.Bush lying about taxes
What the hell are you watching? I've never seen someone so wrong about what it show on the news today.and Clinton lying about his sex life is popular as ever.
Yeah...its a right wing conspiracy to supress the Iran Contra affair which happened 20 years ago. You got us.Reagan getting caught on national TV reading off his instructions for denial or Iran Contra? Not so much.
Its it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....I was parodying your response, especially the way you threw in the O Reilly-esque France reference. And really it's sad to label me as a "liberal." I point out the faults of Democrats as much as Republicans. What I do is hold all world leaders, regardless of nationality or party affiliation to the same standard of scrutiny. It amuses me whenever someone calls it "liberal" to not be a blind nationalist.
No you haven't...you have state your opinion that it is...most people don't agree.Which ... I haven't done. I pointed out that Europe and Latin America are superior to the US in some areas.
Not according to the charts I posted above, but if you say so. What's comical and delusional is your seeming belief that the US is #1 in every single category and our leaders don't put power above civilian lives the way other countries do.
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2003/indicator/pdf/hdr03_table_4.pdf
Hm, do you see anyone in Europe among the top 5 for standard of living?
Ah ok....so you want real democracy under poor living conditions because of cartels and foreign invasions. Got it!
Right, they come because its close. Wow.
Nationalistic? Maybe its respect for the 3,000 people that died...
Politically Incorrect was niether a news show nor a serious polticial opuinion show. It was a show base on satire.
Nobody said they didn't right, but I sure don't listen to them when tehy tell me how to run my country when their's is falling apart.
Could care less.
Right, so secretly doing it while torturing them is worse then doing it public for all to see while passing legislation giving them certian rights....something other countries don't do. What pipe are you smoking?
I could care lessa bout their policies about social issues. Id o what I want in my own house and nobody bothers me here.....
Wrong, they don't have better healthcare...they have government funded healthcare which means the population gets taxed much more heavily than us. When the former Prime Minister of Italy had heart problems, he didn't stay in Italy or go to France or some other European country to receive treatment, he came here.
Nobody is fighting at the gas pumps....the tax cuts have helped...I have seen it personally...sorry your accountant didn't. Maybe you should get a better one.
Every historian int he world, even liberal professors will tell you the Carter administration and foreign policy was a complete failure. Risking huindred of thousands of people showing IRan who's boss? I suggest you brush on your history a bit because Carter authorized covert military action which resulted in failure.
Is that you conservative foreign policy in action?
Are you kidding me? It was every major news station for months.
And Iran Contra......there is a reason Oliver North has his own TV Show. I guess you can't see that when you don't the news much right?
Which cost him the election and I never really hear about it now.
What the hell are you watching? I've never seen someone so wrong about what it show on the news today.
Yeah...its a right wing conspiracy to supress the Iran Contra affair which happened 20 years ago. You got us.
Its it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....
No you haven't...you have state your opinion that it is...most people don't agree.
Maybe you should look past your charts (standard of living includes governement funded programs) and see what will happen 20 years from now when you don't have a large enough workforce to tax. French youth didn't riot about social conditions. Youth unemployment rate is doulbe that of the US.
"Liberalization Versus Economic Integration
Does the evidence support the notion that high-tax, high-benefit economies fare worse than freer economies? A comparison of Europe and the United States sheds light on this question.
And I could care less is they aren't number 1 in everything but I guess if they aren't you seem to want to criticize just about everything while quoting how great it is in Latin American and Western Europe...Hokay. Where did I say I wanted to live in Latin America? I was pointing out that the US is not #1 in all categories like certain people want to believe. Stop trying to create a false dichotomy. It's not "either you like everything America does or your like everything another country does."
Why would they? They couldn't find any jobs anyway and would be taxed to death not to mention thrown in jail.Sounding sarcastic is supposed to refute my point? How easy do you think it is for impoverished Mexicans or Cubans to get to, say, Amsterdam compared to the US?
Right...courage. You are OUT there.What? It is blatantly obvious that it requires more courage to kill yourself to acheive your goals that to drop bombs from thousands of miles away encountering virtually no personal danger.
Yeah, those protests all over the US news about Israel bombing civilian targets, US bombing civilian targets in Iraq are just ignored. Seriously, do you watch ANY new? The US is FORCED to fight a politically correct war because of coverage....Beyond that, the nationalistic bias shows any time someone points out the MILLIONS of Arab civilians who've died from US actions. Respect for their dead is tossed out the window.
This is what is so amusing. Most of the US citizens don't even think about the fact that literally over 100 times more Arab civilians have been killed by the US than vice versa. Likewise over in the Middle East, the US is painted as oppressors and murderers all the while people ignore Middle Eastern groups killing civilians.
Wrong. Now I KNOW you don't watch the news...that's all you see...civilian deaths in Iraq by the US or militias and politicans hammering each other over it.You have two sides so consumed by propaganda that they are blind to their own side killing civilians as well.
Which negates my point ... How? A lot of pundits are considered primarily entertainers.
Last time I checked, we aren't bombing Western Europe. Can you actually follow this conversation?No, but when THEIR countries are suffering massive civilian deaths due to the action of your country, most decent human beings would at least look into it.
Ok there Sister Theresa.And that's the problem. Way too many people here could care less about civilian deaths due to US actions. It only matters when they do it to us. It's that kind of attitude that's led to most atrocities throughout history and amusingly enough, people still don't get it.
WRONG. You don't' even know how they apply the Geneva Convention to non citizens. They do NOT receive the same rights citizens do and they do NOT have the right to the secular judicial system. Every Western European country applies it this way and the US is the ONLY one that has given then MORE rights and actually interpreted the Geneva Convention to apply to enemy combatants that do not claim citizenry to any country. See what rights they get in Western Europe and Latin American is you are considered and enemy combatant.Giving them certain rights? The legislation is officially taking AWAY all of their rights. And it's worse because it LEGITIMIZES the practice. Police brutality happens, but that doesn't mean it should be legalized.
People go into Mexico for cancer treatments all the time. And they have better health care according to the statistics regarding death and disease.
So what? Are you still buying it? Oh I get it..Bush controls OPEC now.WTF? Are you living on planet Earth? Gas floats between $2.80-$3.15 a gallon here. In the late 90's it was often $1.00 a gallon.
This is a liberal talking about government spending? WOW...that takes the cake. Woh going to pay for your socialized healthcare...You?And you're ignoring the vastly increased spending of Bush. Who's going to pay for it? You, later. Just like Reagan's spending which caused a deficit much greater than Carter's once he left office.
Actually quite a few people believe that Reagan and those involved in Iran Contra had a lot to do with the hostages not being released before Carter left office.
Well of course....I always want to kill thousands of citizens. I mean sending in a covert military strike force isn't an act of war...Carter would never do that...But again, would you have preferred he bombed the hell out of Iran, killing thousands of people and risk the hostages being executed as retaliation leading to an all-out war?
It is more conservative than invading Iran would be. Black ops are standard in any presidency.
Yes there was talk..we're you not around then? Too young?What happened? Were there attempts to impeach him? Has it stayed in popular culture? Were it widely called treason? There's no way you can say this has had as many repercussions as Bush's tax lies or Clinton lying about his sex life.
That's what a review is Einstein.Except any time someone reviews his presidency. That's almost always viewed as one of the most significant events.
Wrong. Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress under oath. You can't get impeached for getting a hummer in the oval office...but lie to Congress about it and you can.. Clinton got impeached for lies about his sex life.
Sorry, he won.Bush lost an election.
Right..they suppress it.Iran Contra, not so much. Iran Contra is pretty much skipped in most popular Reagan bios you'll find on places like The History Channel, along with all his black ops in Latin America.
Its not just me, its the people in the new that think it as well.And given your comments about Bill O Reilly among others, it doesn't really bother me that you think I'm wrong about the news.
Actually, its sarcasm...but I always like when someone starts to criticize tactics rather than points. Gives me a warm feeling.Strawman.
You're a duck. Get it?Is there any point to this?
I don't think its fact at all.It is a FACT that people in Latin America have been elected without tons of corporate sponsors in their pockets. If you try that here, you end up like Ron Paul or Ralph Nader. It is a FACT that several places in Europe allow far more social freedoms in regards to sex, drugs, censorship, etc.
Everyone not you. :lol:I wonder who you even mean by "most people."
Have? They already do. Maybe you ignored those French youth riots..I saw it on our nationalistic unbiased news.Yes, every single country in Europe is going to have massive unemployment. You got me. And Bush's massive over-spending is going to do nothing to our own economy once the next president is in office.
No, you just do it with continents.....Wow, I can cut and paste an article too:
US-vs-Europe structural rigidities: A re-think | vox - Research-based policy analysis and commentary from Europe's leading economists
But I'm not here to play a game of which economy is better. I find it childish and silly to argue about one country being "better" than another.
In your haste to prove us all wrong that the US isn't number one in everything you forget to research the simple fact that nobody said it was. Great job genius.The point is that the US has had some of the most brutal military policy in the world for some time, it is near impossible to win a major political seat here without the proper corporate connections (thus candidates who all have the same goals) which is not the case in Latin America, and several places in Europe have greater social freedoms. The US is not #1 across the board as you want to believe and does need change, especially in foreign policy.
I just wanted to say I hate the quote fests...carry on
LOL!I just wanted to say I hate the quote fests...carry on
:clap2: may i also add that people die all the time without any interaction with the hospitals/healthcare system. so its not really a good indicator of the system.When it comes to average lifespan of a country's citizens, I really would like everyone to know (before you vote for socialized healthcare) that it IS NOT healthcare that has increased our lifespans across the globe!!!!!!!! It was things like nutrition and social health (think cleanliness of your environment, not hospitals) reform that made the biggest difference.
So is the gym membership free or what ???Rant begins.
To all those that believe that they want the US to have a government controlled socialistic health care system:
Try this analogy on for size. Really ask yourself if this is the sort of system you are advocating.
You have your own workout program. You developed it yourself or sought assistance from a knowledgeable professional of your choice, like a Personal Trainer. What if we had socialized workouts controlled by the government? The government would tell you what exercies to perform. When to perform them. What gym you must use. There would probably be a limited number of gyms available. You would have to wait in line to get into the gym. If you wanted a Personal Trainer, the government would select them for you. They would then collect taxes from you to pay for all of the costs associated with the socialized workouts. If you didn't want to workout, tough. The government would still collect the "workout" tax from you. No choice. Sorry. Everyone would have the same access to workouts. Everyone would be treated exactly the same. Is that something anyone on this site would be receptive to? Anyone?
I am always fascinated by the contridiction in some people's viewpoints. They speek of freedom and wanting government to stay out of their lives and that their taxes are too high, and government cannot be trusted. Then in the next breath they want the government to provide this and that and the other thing, magically, without any cost to themselves. Which is it? Government get out of my way, or government hold my hand?
Take responsibility for yourselves! Don't become a dependent sheep!
Rant ends.
along the lines of the socialist healthcare system, I believe it is a system similar to one used in France? not completely sure.Many Americans, like some on this forum, are in denial about the state of our country. They've been so brainwashed into thinking we are the greatest country on the face of this earth, that there is no room for improvement or criticism.
Damn straight :thumbsup: Reminds me of the part in Goodfellas where Robert De Niro says " Only nothing costs nothing ! ". I just hope there's not enough idiots.Only idiots believe in free; however, that's more than enough for politicians because face it, people are stupid.
So simple, yet so true. :thumbsup:If socialized medicine was adaquate, private practice medicine wouldn't exist in those countries that have it. Yet check the UK + Canada. People would rather pay for an expensive service in the private sector that they can get from the government for "free"... because the the product is so poor.
Sadly, I'm beginning to think that its an inevitability.Damn straight :thumbsup: Reminds me of the part in Goodfellas where Robert De Niro says " Only nothing costs nothing ! ". I just hope there's not enough idiots.
I agree and as a member of the super rich elite :rofl: I have nothing to worry about,...however for those unfortunate souls who have to work for a living it's nice to have a cheaper option, you know like taking mass transit instead of a private car service.If socialized medicine was adaquate, private practice medicine wouldn't exist in those countries that have it. Yet check the UK + Canada. People would rather pay for an expensive service in the private sector that they can get from the government for "free"... because the the product is so poor.
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