Michael Moore Schools The Wolf !!!

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  1. Good movie, the responses to it are truly interesting. I enjoy the irrepressable nature of the name spewing haters.... damn pinky extremist..... blah blah blah. Does moores accuracy on 911 not lend him some credibility? i mean years later whats it going to take to get through to some people. now anytime moore makes a film its going to be extreme pinky left.... is it extreme to say that the richest country in the world should lose 18000 a year bc of no insurance? i guess all the funds are tied up in a "war on terror" lmao. Fixed those damn brown liberal turbin wearin sihk jesus hater lefties.


  2. Rant begins.

    To all those that believe that they want the US to have a government controlled socialistic health care system:

    Try this analogy on for size. Really ask yourself if this is the sort of system you are advocating.

    You have your own workout program. You developed it yourself or sought assistance from a knowledgeable professional of your choice, like a Personal Trainer. What if we had socialized workouts controlled by the government? The government would tell you what exercies to perform. When to perform them. What gym you must use. There would probably be a limited number of gyms available. You would have to wait in line to get into the gym. If you wanted a Personal Trainer, the government would select them for you. They would then collect taxes from you to pay for all of the costs associated with the socialized workouts. If you didn't want to workout, tough. The government would still collect the "workout" tax from you. No choice. Sorry. Everyone would have the same access to workouts. Everyone would be treated exactly the same. Is that something anyone on this site would be receptive to? Anyone?


    I am always fascinated by the contridiction in some people's viewpoints. They speek of freedom and wanting government to stay out of their lives and that their taxes are too high, and government cannot be trusted. Then in the next breath they want the government to provide this and that and the other thing, magically, without any cost to themselves. Which is it? Government get out of my way, or government hold my hand?

    Take responsibility for yourselves! Don't become a dependent sheep!

    Rant ends.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Jumper View Post
    Rant begins.

    To all those that believe that they want the US to have a government controlled socialistic health care system:

    Try this analogy on for size. Really ask yourself if this is the sort of system you are advocating.

    You have your own workout program. You developed it yourself or sought assistance from a knowledgeable professional of your choice, like a Personal Trainer. What if we had socialized workouts controlled by the government? The government would tell you what exercies to perform. When to perform them. What gym you must use. There would probably be a limited number of gyms available. You would have to wait in line to get into the gym. If you wanted a Personal Trainer, the government would select them for you. They would then collect taxes from you to pay for all of the costs associated with the socialized workouts. If you didn't want to workout, tough. The government would still collect the "workout" tax from you. No choice. Sorry. Everyone would have the same access to workouts. Everyone would be treated exactly the same. Is that something anyone on this site would be receptive to? Anyone?


    I am always fascinated by the contridiction in some people's viewpoints. They speek of freedom and wanting government to stay out of their lives and that their taxes are too high, and government cannot be trusted. Then in the next breath they want the government to provide this and that and the other thing, magically, without any cost to themselves. Which is it? Government get out of my way, or government hold my hand?

    Take responsibility for yourselves! Don't become a dependent sheep!

    Rant ends.
    So is the gym membership free or what ???

    if so, then sign me up

    free workouts rule !!!

    I already pay taxes for health care, its called Medicare.
    except I can't use it !...yet

    There are some things you can only get from a hospital with
    a medical staff, sure would be nice if it was free!

    "Everyone would have the same access to workouts. Everyone would be treated exactly the same."

    So, you want to be treated special ? That's nice

    Seriously, what this is about is that medical care decisions are being made by insurance representatives not doctors!

    Try this analogy- Someone hits you from behind and trashes your brand new car, you have not even made the first payment...

    No one is hurt but your car is seriously f*cked.

    The insurance company does not want to "total the car" so you get it fixed up real good but is still drives kinda f*cked!

    So now you have to drive a f*cked up car for next few years until you can sell it for a big loss, all because of a decision made by the insurance company!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic View Post
    Many Americans, like some on this forum, are in denial about the state of our country. They've been so brainwashed into thinking we are the greatest country on the face of this earth, that there is no room for improvement or criticism.
    along the lines of the socialist healthcare system, I believe it is a system similar to one used in France? not completely sure.

    But I also believe taxpayers in France are hit much harder than we are? Is this not true?

    I dont know everything, nor do I care to look it up to provide longwinded arguments - I'll leave that to the more skilled debaters (thanks BOBO), but I live in what I thought was a capitialistic nation, I wish to keep it that way.

    If you dont like the things government does now, and you dont like the way they do it, then why the hell would you want MORE government control, screwing up MORE things?

    damn.

    You are right. I do wave the american flag. I do love america, I do think it is great. However, they are many things i also hate about this country. There is room for improvement, and I am a firm believer in the continuous improvement of all things.

    but I also learned something in college from Dante's inferno - true hate is born from true love.

    I despise propaganda in any form, as it obscures the truth. End of story.

  5. I did some math on Canada vs. US healthcare costs. The "universal healtcare" is definitely not free. From the numbers "I" came up with it was slightly more expensive to be taxed by the government in Canada than to have your own PPO for the family here in the states, but with much worse care in the sense that the government won't treat serious illnesses or diseases with the haste that we're used to here.

    Only idiots believe in free; however, that's more than enough for politicians because face it, people are stupid.
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  6. If socialized medicine was adaquate, private practice medicine wouldn't exist in those countries that have it. Yet check the UK + Canada. People would rather pay for an expensive service in the private sector that they can get from the government for "free"... because the the product is so poor.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00 View Post

    Only idiots believe in free; however, that's more than enough for politicians because face it, people are stupid.
    Damn straight Reminds me of the part in Goodfellas where Robert De Niro says " Only nothing costs nothing ! ". I just hope there's not enough idiots.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by brogers View Post
    If socialized medicine was adaquate, private practice medicine wouldn't exist in those countries that have it. Yet check the UK + Canada. People would rather pay for an expensive service in the private sector that they can get from the government for "free"... because the the product is so poor.
    So simple, yet so true.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior View Post
    Damn straight Reminds me of the part in Goodfellas where Robert De Niro says " Only nothing costs nothing ! ". I just hope there's not enough idiots.
    Sadly, I'm beginning to think that its an inevitability.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by brogers View Post
    If socialized medicine was adaquate, private practice medicine wouldn't exist in those countries that have it. Yet check the UK + Canada. People would rather pay for an expensive service in the private sector that they can get from the government for "free"... because the the product is so poor.
    I agree and as a member of the super rich elite I have nothing to worry about,...however for those unfortunate souls who have to work for a living it's nice to have a cheaper option, you know like taking mass transit instead of a private car service.

    Of course the cheaper option sucks, but for some there would be no option,
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