[CNorris]

Originally Posted by Totality

MY last comment on the issue: why is it that you do not address what I say? Just curious.

Why do you come to a forum when you cant even read? Just curious.

[Totality]

Originally Posted by CNorris

Why do you come to a forum when you cant even read? Just curious.

actually I did read, and you barely addressed what was said to you. That is fine, I will leave the thread permanently knowing that the only thing that you seem content with is sitting blindly as your "party" tells you what to do. Bravo!!!!!

[RBKing]

Originally Posted by Chad

she has my vote!

Damn Chad, you shatter the stereotype of the skinny punk leftist dweeb. Maybe you have too much aromitization going on, and its getting to your brain chemistry.

[CNorris]

Originally Posted by Totality

actually I did read, and you barely addressed what was said to you. That is fine, I will leave the thread permanently knowing that the only thing that you seem content with is sitting blindly as your "party" tells you what to do. Bravo!!!!!

OK so using logic and reason is not blindly following a party? Typical left wing delusions. Go back to Moveon.org and your Michael Moore propaganda films and you NYT. You are a blind sheep to your left wing emotional no logic politics.

[Totality]

Originally Posted by CNorris

OK so using logic and reason is not blindly following a party? Typical left wing delusions. Go back to Moveon.org and your Michael Moore propaganda films and you NYT. You are a blind sheep to your left wing emotional no logic politics.

Ok I promise this is my last comment: I am a republican you . Now with that said good bye

[Frank Costanza]

The thing that bothers me is the failure for the media or people to to see that since Bill left office, this has been the single most orchestrated rise to power that I've seen in a long time. Even GW wasn't this calculated because he simply didn't have to be. The move to New York (yeah, she's a new yorker.. )...becoming a Senator (a New York Senator for obvious reasons), gaining political and financial support from the New York area....the "moderate" and ever changing opinion to fit the public sentiment.....drumming up loads and loads of political capital because people know her and Bill are the 800lb gorilla.....its just a very orchestrated and calculated rise to power.

I would like to think that at some point a politician believes in something. Of course they have to play the game but I would like to believe that when I look at a president I can think that in some small fashion he/she got elected on some sort of principal. With Hillary I don't see this at all. I see a cold, calculated rise to power. She extremely intelligent so I'm not real worried IF she gets elected...in fact I see her doing better than most but the simple fact people can't see her maneuvering and her obvious thirst for power bothers me.

With GW and Bill you could easily see traits in them in which people liked....a charisma and some sort of solid ground in terms of what they believe in. They won their respected primaries based on these traits (whether you agreed or not). With Hillary I don't see any of this. I see politicians following along out of fear because if not, the 800lb gorilla will be coming around once elected.

Al Sharpton following Hillary instead of Obama? Uh huh...

[Rufio]

Uh, are we forgetting that John McCain blasted far right nutjobs like Jerry Falwell, distancing himself from them, and then had a campaign rally at Falwell's university? Really, who doesn't lie? If you need an example of Bush lying, there's the fact that he said he was not concerned about Osama Bin Laden at a press conference, and when this quote was brought up during the 2004 elections he outright denied saying it.


On top of that, the WORST presidential lie in modern times -- the denial of selling weapons to Iran and using the money to fund Nicaraguan terrorists, came from the Republican Messiah himself, Ronald Reagan. He even got caught on national TV accidentally reading off his instructions that he should act surprised.


Both Democrats and Republicans lie. To be liberal means you want to change the status quo. To be conservative means you want to keep it the same or feel it's been changed to much already. This is what amuses me about all these die-hard party loyalists. They act like one should always be liberal or conservative, as if the status quo is ALWAYS bad or ALWAYS good.


And ...

Originally Posted by CNorris

OK so using logic and reason is not blindly following a party? Typical left wing delusions. Go back to Moveon.org and your Michael Moore propaganda films and you NYT. You are a blind sheep to your left wing emotional no logic politics.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Originally Posted by CNorris

Anyone that votes for Hitlary will deserve it when the US gets attacked by an Iranian Nuclear weapon.

LMFAO. Someone's been watching too much Glenn Beck ...

[Benderzzz]

We all are in the same boat here. It seems that we are all divided deeper than ever before. Remember the pledge of aligance (sp). Our division is our weakness and the victory for our enemies, which are quite a few now a days. Our politicians sit up there in there mansions sitting on a hill looking down on us middle- lower class citizens with a smile on their face. Spending our money we earned through our hard labor (physical and mental). They get huge lengthy vacations every year and our current president is the worst about that. . Our governement now has more hands in more places than ever before. That is to say that the government is the biggest it has been in history. Our governments solution to every problem we face is throw more of our money at it. That has never worked and never will. The politicians are supposed to work for us not vise versa. Sadly that is the way things are now. Issues being brought up now are just there to appease us and keep us happy until we vote for them. Like universal health care, war in Iraq, no child left behind (Ted Kennedy was the author and current president was the signer) Hillary Clinton talking about a shared wealth system (scary), Immigration reform, and global warming.

Universal health care would be great if it worked the way they say it does but it doesnt. Our taxes will sky rocket because who else is going to pay for it, the money well not fall out of the sky. Dont get me wrong I would like nothing more than to have it work the way they say i.e everyone gets free doctor visits,surgeries, medicines etc. Lets face it all that is astronomical in expense. Something has to be done on this issue but not this.

Iraq is probably the toughest issue facing us. If we pull out of Iraq what do you think is going to happen. When we left vietnam over a million people were murdered but hey it wasnt our problem any longer. The fact is that war is hell and if we go to war we should do it full force not the way we did. We never should have gone in their in the first place but 99% of our politicians voted for it. So we have been there for 3 years now and little progress has been made. I really have no solutions for this issue accept either go for it all and leave nothing off the table or get the hell out now cause if we continue like we are we dont have a chance to gain any ground. Dont forget we funded Saddam and his loyalists before he became a tyrant dictator. We also built up Bin Laden to fight the Communists. Go figure

No child left behind is being misrepresented as a Bush Bill but in fact was a liberal Bush deal. Just had to say that becuase I get tired of Teachers telling me how bad they have it now because of Bush's bill.

Hillary Clinton is a socialist through and through the more I listen to her. However she is very manipulating and genius in the way she manipulates. Painting the poor people as victims, coming close but not quite stating it, that somehow they arent able to provide, raise and protect their kids so the democrats can come in and save the day for them. I have never seen a democrat save a poor person from my experiences but I have witnessed people doing it on their own accord through hard work and self improvement, and I believe that is the only way anyone can

Immigration Reform is or was a hot topic. The "Republicans" abandoned their base by allowing people that break the law intentionally to be rewarded with citizenship to this country. Not fair to the base but more importantly to the people that go through the process and have never broken a law and wait years to obtain it. That is terrible to just walk over all the immigrants that have done it the right way and pretty much say . Regan did it in 86 and thank God it didnt happen in 07.

Global Warming is a political issue now and it makes Al Gore feel important. All I have to say is that Gore uses more power and pollutes 10 times what the average american does on a day to day basis. But lets keep giving him more money so he can have another mansion to laugh at us all in.

[Rufio]

Um, I'm not gonna get into all of that, but we funded Saddam WHILE he was a dictator. We turned on him when he invaded Kuwait.

[Benderzzz]

i was just rambling a bit i know but hey what political statement doesnt
thanks for the correction
the result and means is still the same however, he used our money we gave to the government in hopes that they would use it to the betterment of our country. but hey we all make mistakes.

[Rufio]

I think it had more to do with Saddam being a secular ruler in the Middle East and also being resistant to Communism. The previous Iraqi government was expanding human rights but was disliked in the US due to Communist sympathies. Saddam wasn't a religious freak and was on our side instead of Russia's, so he was viewed as a stablizing force regarding Middle Eastern oil ... Until he invaded Kuwait, at which point he turned into the exact opposite and was an embarrasment.

[Benderzzz]

very good info
thanks

so basically we build em up based upon one threat and we tear em down based on them becoming an even greater threat or at least an equal threat. best enemies money can buy then.

[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by Rufio

at which point he turned into the exact opposite

Since its America, we should have known this.