[anabolicrhino]

NEW WORLD RHINOS: MICHAEL MOORES NEW FILM !!!

This is a must watch. It shows the reality of the American health cares system and the quality of life as opposed to France, Canada and Cuba !!!

It was ripped onto Bit Torrent site and is up on Google video right now, but I don't know for how long.

You can download it from Google but you need to download their their player first
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[Squeaks4ver]

Oh Rhino, this is where you and I will start fighting again and we were getting along so well

[CDB]

I can't wait to see what creative editorial choices he made in this one.

[Jayhawkk]

I don't watch anything from him anymore.

[Rufio]

I would prefer a healthcare system more like Canada's. Michael Moore sucks regardless. His one redeeming quality is that he's funny, sorta like Glenn Beck.

[CDB]

Originally Posted by Rufio

I would prefer a healthcare system more like Canada's. Michael Moore sucks regardless. His one redeeming quality is that he's funny, sorta like Glenn Beck.

Takes himself too seriously to be funny. George Carlin or Bill Maher are more to my taste for far left comedians.

[somewhatgifted]

I like moore, but the truth for some is too inconceivable, take it for what its worth its more so an eye opener than to be taken a pure fact. Look at the editing george bush and his censorship crew are doing but noone cares about that side of the coin. Who else is looking out for the american people bush isnt.

[somewhatgifted]

Hopefully this film creates interest, and in turn people arm themselves with valid info. Instead of complaining about the editing as if it has no relevance bc they dont like one aspect of a huge problem. Like a murder who has 100 pices of evidence against him but the glove doesnt fit.........

[anabolicrhino]

Originally Posted by Squeaks4ver

Oh Rhino, this is where you and I will start fighting again and we were getting along so well

...can't we still be friends ???

I am not one for taking health advice from a fat guy and Moore certainly has his flaws,like the 911 movie, but there are some redeemable facts in his movies.

This one shows how "volunteer" rescue workers who helped recover lower Manhattan after 911, suffering from lung aliments that were caused by the exposure to the toxic environment at ground zero.

They are unable to find compensation from the US government specifically because they were "volunteers" and are not eligible for insurance claims !!! Talk about dis incentive to volunteer!!!

They travel to Cuba where they can get help because in Cuba they have free universal health care !!!

[Rufio]

And this is where it turns into a debate over universal healthcare leading to America turning into a socialist nation. I'm generally against increased government interference, but I think this is worth it. Look at Canada. It makes a lot more sense than affirmative action or many long-term welfare programs.

[Nullifidian]

I think we should do it like India.

Seperate hospitals, public and private. Public hospitals are run by the government and are free.

Private hospitals are run by private organizations and have very little regulation. However because people could just go to a government hospiatl for free, private hospitals can only compete if their care is exemplary. Thus they actively seek to recruit the best physicians and offer the best care possible. Because of the lack of regs, they also though compete with respect to pricing.


Many people in the US have been flying to India to have expensive surgeries done because it is extremely inexpensive there but of equal quality to the US. I read about stuff like surgeries that cost half a million dollars in the US costing only $5000-10000 in India

[Jayhawkk]

But the lack of regulation is the side of the knife that cuts when you have a bad surgery and can do nothing about it. Sometimes you get what you pay for. Our healthcare system is pissy and i have my own personal experiences and stories and i have good coverage but the thread was about Moore's films


He may take some truth but he distorts it to fit his own agendas and doesn't have the people in mind, in my opinion. Lies and deceit are wrong no matter who it comes from.

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

But the lack of regulation is the side of the knife that cuts when you have a bad surgery and can do nothing about it. Sometimes you get what you pay for. Our healthcare system is pissy and i have my own personal experiences and stories and i have good coverage but the thread was about Moore's films


He may take some truth but he distorts it to fit his own agendas and doesn't have the people in mind, in my opinion. Lies and deceit are wrong no matter who it comes from.

Just because there is virtually no regulation doesn't mean you can't sue the hospital when the surgeon screws up. The courts however have caps on those kinds of settlements, and malpractice insurance isn't MANDATORY like in the USA. As a result in order to attract customers, malpractice insurance firms have to offer low premiums. In the US, malpractice insurance is required in order to practice medicine; this creates an artificial demand. This artificial demand coupled with uncapped lawsuits, and a system that favors frivolous lawsuits, you get drastically inflated malpractice insurance premiums. Those inflated malpractice premiums result in overinflated billing. That inflated billing results in inflated health insurance premiums. Negotiated rates that insurance companies agree to result in hospitals barely covering costs. That in turn results in bills going to uninsured people being preposterously high leaving many indebted to the hospital for the rest of their lives and in some cases, an entire family indebted to the hospital for life.

Add into the mix a cartel with a monopoly on medical licensing and antiquated requirements to practice medicine and you've got the most screwed up healthcare system in the industrialized world.

[CDB]

Originally Posted by anabolicrhino

They travel to Cuba where they can get help because in Cuba they have free universal health care !!!

Which is the rub of the matter. Nothing is free. Someone is going to pay for it. The only question is who and how and the consequences of any particular system.

[Jumper]

They travel to Cuba where they can get help because in Cuba they have free universal health care !!!

I believe if you check this one out you will find that there are in fact two different levels of health care in Cuba. One for the elite party members and one for the masses. Separate and unequal. Be careful what you wish for. We may get it.