[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by Sunder

I'll be the first to admit that I am naive. But I don't fully understand why Americans keep on saying they want a health care system like we have in Canada.

Because the left wing liberal media keeps telling everyone its better. And they believe them.

[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by Sunder

I'll be the first to admit that I am naive. But I don't fully understand why Americans keep on saying they want a health care system like we have in Canada. I was under the impression that life-threatening surgeries couldn't be turned away - but are done in state hospitals.

In Canada, state hospitals is effectively all we have. For all real "advanced" surgeries, we get sent to the States. And waiting lists here are long. I had to wait 6 months to have my hernia operated on. Other ppl are on 1 - 2 year waiting lists. If I wanted to pay more and get in faster - I couldn't. Our system is bogged down with a bunch of people that "abuse" the system. Let's just say the majority of those people are from a segment of society where taking care of yourself is not a top priority. There, that sounded PC. But these people are in the waiting rooms all the time - it's gross and annoying. I wish showers were mandatory.

We're all equal here (except for politicians of course). Whether you work hard at your job, are homeless, or just live off the government. Considering I'm part of the working class, I do get annoyed with the free-loaders.

I thought most companies in the States have health benefits.

Regardless, if you want the same health care as Canada, just cut your take home pay in half. You don't get to keep the money you earned - it goes...elsewhere...

And always good to hear personal experience....

[somewhatgifted]

lmao , i always get the koolaid reference when my mediocre opinions arise. Damnit id have to sit at the kids table in politican discussion land. The problem is bush is deep in a hole that it is impossible not to complain about him. hes done one thing right, he's created the perfect job a job where you cant do it worse than the last guy.

[spunkles182]

Originally Posted by Sunder

We're all equal here (except for politicians of course). Whether you work hard at your job, are homeless, or just live off the government. Considering I'm part of the working class, I do get annoyed with the free-loaders.



Regardless, if you want the same health care as Canada, just cut your take home pay in half. You don't get to keep the money you earned - it goes...elsewhere...

[anabolicrhino]

Originally Posted by CDB

Which is the rub of the matter. Nothing is free. Someone is going to pay for it. The only question is who and how and the consequences of any particular system.

Rub this ! The USA has subsidized police and fire protection as well as the mail system, so its not completely foreign to our system of government to tax the population to provide a better life!

Our system is better if you are young ,strong and healthy, but if you happen to become old, weak and sick there is a problem. If you don't have any money nobody wants to help you !

[Squeaks4ver]

A friend of mine playes foot ball here in the states but he was brought over for soccer from Ireland. He had this big time shoulder injury that needed to have an operation. He was stunned that in the same day of his injury he had an MRI, X Ray and went home knowing what was wrong and when they were going to fix it. He said it would have taken them almost a year to get those results via "universal" health care. He said most people who get hurt playing sports are usually unable to ever return because the lag time between injury and operation makes everything worse.

If we want to help with our older population and our inner city folks, we must cut off all those who are not legal in this country from any type of medical care. We can save millions if not billions if we ended this come on come all practice. their countries have free health care... let them go there.. because M. moore is right.. it is so much better!

[CDB]

Originally Posted by anabolicrhino

Rub this ! The USA has subsidized police and fire protection as well as the mail system, so its not completely foreign to our system of government to tax the population to provide a better life!

Nor does that make it a good idea. As for the mail system, if you want the people at the DMV or the post office handling your health care, you might have issues.

Our system is better if you are young ,strong and healthy, but if you happen to become old, weak and sick there is a problem. If you don't have any money nobody wants to help you !

Where is it written you have a right to live forever, or even as long as is humanly possible, especially on someone else's dime? No where. If you are truly concerned about health care then you should be concerned about increasing the supply and decreasing the price of it. Nationalization will achieve the exact opposite, especially in this country where demand will very soon outstrip supply once it is 'free', or more correctly once someone else is paying the bill.

[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by somewhatgifted

The problem is bush is deep in a hole that it is impossible not to complain about him.

Really? Last time I checked the newly elected Congress has worse ratings but we wouldn't want the reality of health care costs to get in the way of "complaining".

Just be careful some facts don't go flying over your head while you continue to complain.

[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by CDB

Nationalization will achieve the exact opposite, especially in this country where demand will very soon outstrip supply once it is 'free', or more correctly once someone else is paying the bill.

You mean you don't want to pay 65% of your income to nationalized programs? How selfish of you!

It amazes me that the people who constantly complain about the inadequacies and complete incompetence of our government actually want them to run the health care system.

[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by anabolicrhino

Rub this ! The USA has subsidized police and fire protection as well as the mail system, so its not completely foreign to our system of government to tax the population to provide a better life!

Yeah, the welfare and medicaid system are prime examples of this glorious success

[CDB]

Originally Posted by Bobo

You mean you don't want to pay 65% of your income to nationalized programs? How selfish of you!

Technically we're not to far off from that already. Probably wouldn't be too big of a step financially.

It amazes me that the people who constantly complain about the inadequacies and complete incompetence of our government actually want them to run the health care system.

People always want the government to have all the power they don't want it to abuse, and then get all surprised when it abuses all the power it gets. They complain about the imperfections of the market, never understanding that the same people who make the market imperfect work in the government too. Only in the government they have guns, prisons, the force of law and regulation, and no accountability beyond a heavily managed election every few years, if that. It's a paradox, and to my mind it's all the educational system's fault. Government control there never should have been accepted or tolerated, as a government controlled school system will in the end do nothing but raise good automatons who will constantly cheer the state on despite it's glaring failures.

[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by CDB

Technically we're not to far off from that already. Probably wouldn't be too big of a step financially.

Not according to my tax records.

[CDB]

Originally Posted by Bobo

Not according to my tax records.

You have a better accountant than I do. Plus your tax records don't include sales taxes paid, excise taxes paid, tariffs, sin taxes, etc. All of which consumers end up paying for in one way or another, plus the inflationary debt load that makes your salary's real value wilt like lettuce in a compost heap.