[anabolicrhino]

Its called National Security Presidential Directive 51

Any 911-type sh*t goes down and GWB is the Dictator of the the United States of America. He would control the Congress and the Judicial branch as well as his elected power as chief executive!

This is the official White House press release

Google NSPD 51 and see what's up !

[Squeaks4ver]

duh. i brought that up before lol, where were the libs on this one!!! haha even I don't want the pres. having some of these powers haha

[Thrall]

Yes, this is scary, but consider this...his father was one of three men in the 80's (the others were Donald Rumsfeld and **** Cheney) to work on a plan that was a contingency effort in case of a NUCLEAR attack on American soil. And get this, if you go to the link below, you will find an article about the internment camps Bush has already contracted people to build "in case of emergency".

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55925

This is a warning my friends, from me to you. I hope I am wrong, but if some crazy stuff goes down in this country before the next election, don't believe what they tell you about what happened. Get the hell out of here. It is all coming to a head, and frankly, unless we manage to somehow get Ron Paul into office, we are all doomed to be worse off than the Brits. This is real.

I am not a paranoid person. There is just so much information on cia.gov about government sponsored terrorism. And yes, 9/11 was very obviously that in my opinion. The Gulf of Tonkin. Nuff said.

If you are going to leave, you'd better do it before they put the Real ID into effect, or you may not be able to get out. And leaving may be a good idea, though I'm not sure that's what I will do.

I hope I am wrong, that's all I'm saying.

[anabolicrhino]

Originally Posted by Squeaks4ver

duh. i brought that up before lol, where were the libs on this one!!! haha even I don't want the pres. having some of these powers haha

I was a sleep at the wheel ! Thanks for waking me up !

The scary part is it may not be Bush who uses this power, it could be Cheney or Hillary 2009 !!!

either way we are seriously being set up for something big !

http://newworldrhinos.blogspot.com/2...ective-51.html

[Thrall]

Originally Posted by anabolicrhino

I was a sleep at the wheel ! Thanks for waking me up !

The scary part is it may not be Bush who uses this power, it could be Cheney or Hillary 2009 !!!

either way we are seriously being set up for something big !

http://newworldrhinos.blogspot.com/2...ective-51.html

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. I've been driving myself crazy over this stuff for the last few weeks. I just can't even decide what the most feasible course of action for me to take is. I have no money or status, so I can't even DO anything. How can we avoid this... ?

[jomi822]

what the ****...

this is seriously becoming scary. he is setting everything up for him to literally take over the country.

all he needs is another "catastophic event". mark my words, its in the making

[bigSMokey]

Originally Posted by Thrall

I am not a paranoid person. There is just so much information on cia.gov about government sponsored terrorism. And yes, 9/11 was very obviously that in my opinion. The Gulf of Tonkin. Nuff said.

What's really scary is that the Tonkin incident is often used as the example of a self-inflicted wound because it was also a U.S.-backed incident. However, the Reichstag Fire is even more similar to the WTC attacks - in many respects. Except that Adolf Hitler did it.

Originally Posted by Thrall

I've been driving myself crazy over this stuff for the last few weeks.

It happens, man. Everyone I know who found out the truth about Sept11, and the rest of these unprecedented events, has been changed. The truth hurts, I know, but people have got to take a look around.

Originally Posted by Thrall

I just can't even decide what the most feasible course of action for me to take is. I have no money or status, so I can't even DO anything. How can we avoid this...

Bro, the best thing you can do is spread the word. The best course is to do it calmly and respectfully, otherwise even people close to you will be less apt to believe. That's all we've got left.

But more specific to the question you asked - what can we do? Well, everyone needs to take a step back and just look at all the evidence regarding these crimes that the administration has committed. Stop lying to yourself. Like I said, the truth hurts, but we are going to have to face it sooner or later, so we might as well face up while we can still act. DON'T believe Popular Mechanics, DON'T listen to Fox News, DON'T believe the right-wing pundits and web editorials. They have an agenda and they are lying!

And of course pray. No matter what your religion, know that there is a higher power and that our great country gravely needs their help.

[anabolicrhino]

Originally Posted by Thrall

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. I've been driving myself crazy over this stuff for the last few weeks. I just can't even decide what the most feasible course of action for me to take is. I have no money or status, so I can't even DO anything. How can we avoid this... ?

There are plenty of people who are concerned about all the constitutional irregularities that this nation has endured since the Neocons first started showing up in bunches during the Reagan years!

A lot of people were woken up by 911, but this is also when a lot of people started to put their head in the sand, myself included.

I had been concerned during the Reagan-Bush I campaigns, but had really relaxed too much during Clinton reign. A lot of what's hitting the fan right now was started by Bill Clinton.

Then 911 seemed surreal, but I started watching the news like everybody else and I started to just let the "we live in an age of terror" go unchallenged. I did not question "who" was terrorizing us!

Thankfully there were many concerned citizens, mostly people under 30, who did research on the internet and used declassified US government documents to "connect some dots"

They woke me up from my slumber,Right around the time the Matrix Reloaded movie was released(Nov 2003) I saw it from the front row at a 60 foot IMAX theatre in NYC. It really left an impression. There is also some "clues and hints" in Star Wars3 Revenge of the Sith and V for Vendetta!


Our system of "checks and balances" does work very well
at preventing our government from becoming a fascist dictatorship.

However, it is being challenged by the people who are in the positions of leadership.

So, what you can do is stay informed, use the internet, not the mainstream media and spread the word.

The battle for your mind is eternal and we must remain vigilant!
(I borrowed that from Bush!)

[zbtboy]

Am I the only one who hopes a President actually goes this far? The apathy in this country is sickening and sadly it will take something like this (or a Draft) to wake all these people who sleep walk through their lives thinking the good 'ol US of A is doing great. like they say, ignorance is Bliss. I would love for the government to do something that awakens the sleeping majority and forces the radical wings back into the shadows.

[zbtboy]

I just re-read Eisenhowers Military-Complex speech given in 1961. Its amazing how well this speech fits in the present time....


My fellow Americans:

Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.

This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.

Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.

Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation.

My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.

In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.

II.

We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.

III.

Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.

Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology -- global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger is poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle -- with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.

Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.

But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs -- balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage -- balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.

The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only.

IV.

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

* and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

V.

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

VI.

Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.

Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.

Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.

VII.

So -- in this my last good night to you as your President -- I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.

You and I -- my fellow citizens -- need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals.

To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration:

We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.

[bigSMokey]

Originally Posted by zbtboy

Am I the only one who hopes a President actually goes this far?

No your not. Not by a long shot. And that's what has most of the large nations in the are world so worried. Not just Russia and China, but also our allies (though allies to a lesser extent since the Bush crimes) in western Europe.

Originally Posted by zbtboy

The apathy in this country is sickening

You are correct, many Americans gave up part of their Constitutional rights without even batting an eye, or even knowing that they did for that matter.

Originally Posted by zbtboy

I would love for the government to do something that awakens the sleeping majority and forces the radical wings back into the shadows.

Most people are thinking they could be planning a state-sponsored nuclear attack! Even Newt Gingrich has said he is concerned about "losing a city" at the hands of the **TERRORISTS**. So you would condone a false-flag nuclear attack on an American city?! Perhaps I misunderstood, but the bulk of the context in this thread suggests that's what your saying.

[zbtboy]

Originally Posted by bigSMokey

Most people are thinking they could be planning a state-sponsored nuclear attack! Even Newt Gingrich has said he is concerned about "losing a city" at the hands of the **TERRORISTS**. So you would condone a false-flag nuclear attack on an American city?! Perhaps I misunderstood, but the bulk of the context in this thread suggests that's what your saying.

Where did i say that? my point was that it would take a major move by our government that restricts the rights of its people before the masses will step up and regect the insane policies of the radical wings. And sorry, half the crap that comes of Newts mouth when talking about foreign affairs i just simply ignore...much like that of Dennis Kucinich's. I'm much more concerened over Irans attempt to get a Nuke than the **TERRORISTS**. Iran obviously has the ability where as the **TERRORISTS** have been trying to get their hands on one since the collapse of the sovient union. Granted, it would be a huge problem, especially in Pakistan but there's no evidence that its a major threat at this point...at least from what I've read and heard.

[Thrall]

I see a nucelar attack. That is my prediction. I hope I am wrong, but I am telling people. They think I'm crazy, but if I'm right and just single handedly predicted the greatest tragedy to hit our country, they will remember the conversation.

It does sound crazy, and no one wants to hear it. It seems obvious to me. I hope I'm wrong though.

[Jayhawkk]

Doesn't sound like you hope you're wrong because you're wanting people to believe you and the only way they would is if this event happened. While I believe there's a lot of crap that goes down behind close doors I doubt some of the things that are mentioned here would or could be orchestrated by anything other than a few nutjobs. Not some huge conspiracy.

There are so many liberal/conservative/republican/democrat/other working along side each other in the gov't that nothing like this on the scale of 911 would be able to be done. For those of you that think there's any difference in Congress or above when it comes to platforms are delusional at best. The ONLY difference is where the funding comes from. I look at the political gov't just like wrestling...It's for entertainment purposes only.