Wtf - Bush Made Himself Dictator On May 9th ???

Rufio · 06-07-2007, 01:55 PM

Honestly, I think getting news like this out and putting it into mainstream culture is the way to go. Look at the various civil rights movements in America. It took several decades to make much progress but eventually it couldn't be stopped. This is despite the fact that at one point almost the entire US government was openly prejudiced and you would only be charged with violating civil rights if you killed a person who's a minority.

It'd be great to get someone like Ron Paul elected, but it's more important to get people informed and put pressure on whoever's in office.

Also you have to realize that this is nothing new. Abraham Lincoln violated the constitution more than any other president. The big thing is to get people just as suspicious of their own country's real motives as they are of, say Iran or North Korea's.

**CDB** · 06-07-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufio

Also you have to realize that this is nothing new. Abraham Lincoln violated the constitution more than any other president. The big thing is to get people just as suspicious of their own country's real motives as they are of, say Iran or North Korea's.

Kind of hard to do that with the government maintaining a virtual monopoly on education, and especially when the majority of people want it that way.

Rufio · 06-07-2007, 02:16 PM

I like to get people to read some Noam Chomsky myself, especially his small, to the point books like 9-11 and What Uncle Sam Really Wants. He cites his sources and although he has his own angle, he's not prejudiced between Democrats and Republicans. He devotes almost as much time to Clinton's atrocities as Bush's.

I like his approach, which relies on large-scale activism. There is a lot of activism going on right now that gets little coverage, the protest of the G-8 summit notwithstanding.

Rufio · 06-07-2007, 02:24 PM

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I like to point out this pardon along with the protection of Luis Posado Carrilles (although his guilt isn't as fully proven, but the case against him is as stacked as for your typical Al Qaeda terrorist) when people speak about the US being committed to fighting terrorism. Then I bring up the alliance with Saudi Arabia, which is more totalitarian than Iran, when people talk about US foreign policy being motivated by freedom. To top it off, I'll also mention things like the US-backed coups in Chile and Iran, which replaced somewhat more democratic governments with stricter totalitarian government structures.

If you remember a few cases like that, it's pretty easy to demonstrate that the government isn't really motivated by our national ideology, but by money and power. Just knowing that we've supported terrorists and dictatorships should get the average person thinking.

ITHURTZ · 06-07-2007, 10:44 PM

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I'm sorry but the sad depressing truth of the matter is, the average modern day American citizen is not fit to take back his country and overthrow his Government. Even when you put them all together.

I disagree, when push comes to shove and if anyone invades this country, you should bet ur ass us ****ing americans would show them who the **** we are. I know I would.

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Honestly, how many of the people would really stand by the old phrase "you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands?" Not many.

You bet your ass I would.

I personally think its sad america lets all this crap happen. We are the people, we made what america is today, technology, goverment etc and we should be able to take it away when some idiot is in charge. Cant do **** though because people dont care, and 5,000 people wont change something. Find 20million people and march right up to the white house door and DEMAND correction or GTFO

Just shoot the ******* in the head and be done with it before this country ends up like mexico

Rufio · 06-07-2007, 11:17 PM

Wait, what's wrong with Mexico aside from the fact that their economy sucks? I'm more worried about the US government becoming more and more of a partial democracy, kinda like Iran.