The Income Tax

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  1. The Income Tax


    Did most of you know that the modern day income tax is actually unconstitutional and, technically, illegal? I could explain it all to you here, but just watch the film "Freedom to Fascism" on YouTube or read the book "Perfectly Legal". Again, it will just sicken you.

    You are being used. Be aware.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Thrall View Post
    Did most of you know that the modern day income tax is actually unconstitutional and, technically, illegal? I could explain it all to you here, but just watch the film "Freedom to Fascism" on YouTube or read the book "Perfectly Legal". Again, it will just sicken you.

    You are being used. Be aware.
    Yet, another reason to vote for Ron Paul in 2008.

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ptU2GzwOMs"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/nomedia]
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Scrat View Post
    Yet, another reason to vote for Ron Paul in 2008.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ptU2GzwOMs
    Heard that. There is a dude who seems genuine. It is hard to tell with politicians, but his voice is speaking the words that need to be said. My only fear is that no one is hearing him.

  4. I've heard this one many times over.

  5. Of course it's unconstitutional, that's why you have to get taxed through your legal entity "BOB B. BOB" instead of YOU "Bob B. Bob". Take a look at your credit cards, banking statements, anything financial, you'll see your straw man's name instead of your own. Pretty creepy.
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  6. Yeah, it's been mentioned before, but people only seem to give a **** for a little while. And then everyone just forgets and starts watching American Idol. At least Ron Paul wants to do something.

    It is obvious to me we need change, and drastic change at that. We have outlasted Rome this long, but we are headed for a fall unless the runaway government is brought back in line. This is just one tiny piece of the puzzle, but it screws all of us middle class fools who don't have the flow to support Congress' pension plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrall View Post
    Yeah, it's been mentioned before, but people only seem to give a **** for a little while. And then everyone just forgets and starts watching American Idol. At least Ron Paul wants to do something.

    It is obvious to me we need change, and drastic change at that. We have outlasted Rome this long, but we are headed for a fall unless the runaway government is brought back in line. This is just one tiny piece of the puzzle, but it screws all of us middle class fools who don't have the flow to support Congress' pension plan.
    Well, technically the Romans had a Republic that lasted about 500 years.(500 b.c -1 a.d.) The United States republic lasted about 150 years from 1787 - (circa 1933-1947) The Roman Empire went another 480 years. The United States Empire about 50 years and counting..., yikes I just don't have another 400 years in me!

    ROMAN REPUBLIC/EMPIRE

  8. Well, that was a good lesson, and I have been humbled. That really wasn't the point though.

  9. Oh, and when would you say was the point where we first became an empire? I'm kind of curious about that. I am not denying that we are, I'm just curious, as your history is obviously far better than mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrall View Post
    Oh, and when would you say was the point where we first became an empire? I'm kind of curious about that. I am not denying that we are, I'm just curious, as your history is obviously far better than mine.
    I am not trying to humble anyone or teach any lessons. I just have been shown some alternative realities then the one that is projected through the mainstream media and educational control systems. I am just saying maybe. The one thing I do know is that the future is not fixed and reality is software not hardware.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

    http://www.raven1.net/rulbysec.htm

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Thrall View Post
    Heard that. There is a dude who seems genuine. It is hard to tell with politicians, but his voice is speaking the words that need to be said. My only fear is that no one is hearing him.

    The media has been bashing Ron Paul heavily but his popularity is increasing thanks to the good ole' internet. Best thing anyone can do is spread the word of Ron Paul.

  12. I live in the highest taxed State in the nation. Not a good thing..

  13. It doesn't matter that it's illegal and wrong, because all everyone is going to do is cry about it. Some who genuinely ponder their decisions will vote for someone who stands for great things, but the ignorant will always outrule the wise.

  14. I live in Canada. I pay double the tax you do, or more.

  15. You live in Canada and pay double everything.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by moklepaul View Post
    Yup
    Sorry, bro Hey, why not move down here with us? It's warmer down here

  17. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I live in the highest taxed State in the nation. Not a good thing..
    Hehe, my state has a flat tax. Nevada would be so much nicer though. They have NO state income tax. None. Nada. Zip. You gotta love it when you have an industry that makes so much money it pays for everything in the entire state.

    Ever seen what the property taxes are like in Vegas? a couple hundred bucks a year on a $400,000 house.


    Anyway, so you live in Vermont? They have a tax cap of 9.5% which is the highest in the country. They also have big sales taxes, with 9% on prepared food, and 10% on all alcohol sales.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Thrall View Post
    Did most of you know that the modern day income tax is actually unconstitutional and, technically, illegal?
    How goes it, fellow Libertarian

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Thrall View Post
    Did most of you know that the modern day income tax is actually unconstitutional and, technically, illegal? I could explain it all to you here, but just watch the film "Freedom to Fascism" on YouTube or read the book "Perfectly Legal". Again, it will just sicken you.

    You are being used. Be aware.

    Ridiculous. This has been litigated numerous times. People that are so easily drawn in to believe in crazy conspiracies and junk like this are frightening. Hey look, if you really believe it then don't pay your income tax and let us all know how that works out for you.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Jumper View Post
    Ridiculous. This has been litigated numerous times. People that are so easily drawn in to believe in crazy conspiracies and junk like this are frightening. Hey look, if you really believe it then don't pay your income tax and let us all know how that works out for you.

    Our government relies on Income Tax so heavily at this point, it could be the most Unconstitutional thing ever and the Supreme Court would STILL uphold it simply for the fact that to remove it would cause sheet and utter chaos.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I live in the highest taxed State in the nation. Not a good thing..
    dirty jerz?

  22. 16th Amendment

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States and without regard to any census or enumeration.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Jumper View Post
    16th Amendment

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States and without regard to any census or enumeration.
    Excellent point. That kinda knocks the OP's argument down doesn't it.

    No the ones that are unconstitutional are the Controlled Substance Act of 1970, The Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990, and the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004.


    They needed an ammendment to the Constitution to outlaw alcohol, I always wondered why they could just outlaw other drugs on a whim.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Jumper View Post
    16th Amendment

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States and without regard to any census or enumeration.
    This is the biggest scam ever!

    The 16th Amendment was never ratified by the required 2/3 majority of states!!!

    They(executive branch of government) just acted like it did and started to collect taxes.

    The taxes are supposed to be apportioned (balanced).

    We are all supposed to pay the same amount !

    It should be like $100 each ! ...not 20% of our income !!!

    ...and that is only for limited federal actions,..like a war!

    Here is another point of contention "income" is not defined in the constitution!!!

    Income is generally regarded as money made from a business venture.

    When you "go to work" you are trading your time and labor(personal property) for money. This is a simple barter agreement and is not technically income!

    Now, go back to work!!!
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