Gops "who Don't Believe In Evolution" !!!

anabolicrhino · 05-05-2007, 11:36 AM

MIENFOKS: GOPS " WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION" ! ! !

I don't believe that I care what these guys believe when it comes to evolution,..just balance the f*cking budget and save some lives, will ya !!!

schmoove · 05-05-2007, 12:02 PM

Can a person who dismisses all the evidence and facts that the greatest scientific minds on our planet all agree on then balance a budget or "save lives"? Maybe, but it doesn't inspire me with any confidence.

m4gnum · 05-05-2007, 06:07 PM

I didn't watch the video, but people who "don't believe" in evolution make me so damned frustrated that I don't know what to say. What I don't understand is where the idea that religion and science are mutually exclusive came from.

AFOX · 05-06-2007, 12:15 PM

I belive in some aspects of evolution, such as adaptation. But do you guys really belive that humans wiggeled out of the sea, then mutated into some kind of monkey and then into what we are today. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. There is no scientific proof of this. Where is the so called missing link. The big bang therory is even more of a joke.

dsade · 05-06-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AFOX

I belive in some aspects of evolution, such as adaptation. But do you guys really belive that humans wiggeled out of the sea, then mutated into some kind of monkey and then into what we are today. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. There is no scientific proof of this. Where is the so called missing link. The big bang therory is even more of a joke.

At the time rudimentary lungs developed (most likely some form of mutation) they were not classifiable as "human". So, no, humans did no "wiggel (sic) out of the sea, mutate into monkeys, etc".

You should probably read more about natural selection, and its demonstratability. There are plenty of "transition species", in spite of what the anti-evolution kooks like to spout.

AFOX · 05-06-2007, 12:46 PM

So do you belive that we are one of those " transition" species ? If so, could you elaborate on how we have transitioned. I have an open mind, but it seems to me that science can only guess about human evolution. I stated that I believe in natural adaptation and natural selection. I belive that science can not explain everything. I'm not 100% anti evolution, but I belive with all my heart that there is a God who created us.

rockhard_4eva · 05-06-2007, 02:08 PM

A few hundred years ago, we thought that the world was flat.

Science and logic will explain all.

jomi822 · 05-06-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AFOX

I belive in some aspects of evolution, such as adaptation. But do you guys really belive that humans wiggeled out of the sea, then mutated into some kind of monkey and then into what we are today. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. There is no scientific proof of this. Where is the so called missing link. The big bang therory is even more of a joke.

first of all, they are discovering transitional species all the friggin time. at one point evolution nuts were drawing pictures of ridiculous amphibian like sea-to-land transitional species to make fun of the idea. 2 or 3 years ago they discovered fossils of an animal looking almost exactly like the satirical drawing religion nuts were using to mock evolution.

evolution isnt some "random" process. it is a highly ordered and specific process.

there is SO much evidence for evolution that it is truly overwhelming.

the reason that people refuse to accept the idea of evolution is because if evolution is correct and god did not create the world as stated in genesis (which story by the way, there are two completely different stories...durr) then the rest of the bible goes out the window.

people want the comfort of having everything answered for them, and the bible provides that for them. if there is a replacement for one idea (which is a religious "truth") then it discredits all other ideas.

what i find even more disgusting is that the religious nuts now know they are losing the evolution vs. creation battle so they have changed the word creation to "intelligent design" and are now trying to blend evolution and creationism together.

first of all, dont mix your anachronisms with modern science. second, it is just a ploy to keep "god" in the process at all costs.

if we followed this way of thinking wed still think earth was the center of the solar system.

give it up retards.

AFOX · 05-06-2007, 03:59 PM

So are you an atheiest then? I belive that God created everything for a purpose, and evolution is just one of his ways of regulating all the creatures of the earth. Human ego and intellect get in the way of believing in God. Having faith has never been easy for me either, but I have searched my soul, and I belive in God. I also belive that he sent his son Jesus Christ( my Lord and savior) to die on the cross for man's sins. I guess I'm just another one of those damn religious "retarted" nuts. The truth will be reveled one way or another. Either I die and there is nothing, or I die and go to Heaven to be with the Lord in paradise forever. I don't know about you, but I like option two. I know that I'm more than flesh and blood. I'm not going to get into a debate on this topic, because the debate could go on forever. Science and religon do coexist, because God created science.

jomi822 · 05-06-2007, 04:26 PM

first of all its retarded, not retarted

"I don't know about you, but I like option two." I know you do, very appealing isnt it?

Evolution is god's way of regulating creatures on earth. hmm i dont see that passage in the bible can you point that one out for me? you know that 300 years ago if you had agreed to evolution in any way shape or form you would probably be sitting in a jail cell right now?

you believe that jesus came down and blah blah blah? what about muhammed? buddha? oh thats right...your storybook is right and the other ones are wong. gotcha chief.

god created science? you are aware that catholicism is the #1 detriment to scientific progress, as it has been for ages, right? do you still believe that the earth is the center of the solar system. btw, santa claus is real.

m4gnum · 05-06-2007, 05:35 PM

Actually I feel a lot like you do, AFOX. Why don't you believe that God intended for early single-cellular organisms to evolve into more complex ones? And what in the world does Heaven have to do with this topic?

AFOX · 05-06-2007, 06:53 PM

Yeah, I got a little off topic. Like I said, I do not want to get into a debate, ecspecially with a condescending prick like jomi822. It seems that at 25 he has it all figured out. I do belive that God intended for evolution. Are there any Christians reading this thread who would like to express your opinions and beliefs? Thank you m4gnum for responding in a positive way. I think there can be a healthy positive discussion here, without bashing people for their beliefs.

jomi822 · 05-06-2007, 07:40 PM

yea go ahead and pull the age card, im glad to see youre using a relevant defense.

normally i wouldnt bash anyone for their beliefs...unless they are dangerous. this religious dogma bull**** causes death, war, intolerance, combination of church and state, and the prevention of scientific progress.

people went from taking the bible literally, to taking some points of it figureatively, to "just look for the religious message", and now were trying to meld religious dogma with science? i cannot think of a more perverted combination.

there is no jusifiable reason to believe religious dogma over scientific fact. none whatosever.

the sooner people stop worshipping storybooks created by men 2000ish years ago the sooner the religious wars and religious nuts will disappear.

Dr Liftalot · 05-07-2007, 02:02 AM

Why couldn't have god just caused evolution itself, I don't see a reason for this big debate. Science and religion can fit together as long as you don't take religion literally at every turn. Theres no reason both can't coexist in some aspects.

jomi822 · 05-07-2007, 02:13 AM

well thats the whole issue...

what is better at explaining things? religion or science?

you really cant have it both ways.

Rodja · 05-07-2007, 02:23 AM

This is a topic that I have spent many, many hours of my life contemplating. I am not an overly religious person, but I understand that everyone has a different opinion and perspective. I used to try to convince others to my side, but that is a waste of everyones time. You can choose not to believe in evolution, but there is an overwhelming body of evidence supprting evolution.

The only time that any theology becomes bad is when intolerance and subsequent violence take over. Moderation is stressed about everything else in life, so why can't religion be something included in that philosophy?

firefighter2032 · 05-07-2007, 02:55 AM

Here's my philosphy:

The bibles basic set of rules...the 10 Commandments...are a great set of rules to live your life by. They basically say, be a good person and treat others good.

My problem with religion is when people begin to judge others (lets not forget, the bible does say that god is the only judge). But these same people who judge others pick and choose what parts of the bible they want to follow. I mean, the bible does say that if you have a problem with eyes that wander, then you should remove your eyes. Don't know about you, but I haven't seen too many people wandering around lately without eyes. There's a lot more examples but I'll keep it simple.

Also, most modern day Catholics use the NKJV of the bible. A quick history lesson will tell you that King James became upset with the Roman Catholic Church when they would not grant him a divorce. So, having the power he had, he had the book re-written to accomodate him. But if you are going to read and worship out of a book, shouldn't it be the old testament, I would have to imagine it's a bit closer to the actual scriptures than the one King James had written.

And my last point...

For thousands upon thousands of years there have been many many religions...The greeks and romans had there theology, native americans had horses, mother nature, ect. In fact, the Hawaiin's never heard of Jesus until missionaries came and "saved" them.

But for the generations around the world other than the middle east area that were alive and died prior to missionaries coming and passing along the word of the good book, does this mean that even though they had no previous knowledge of Jesus or God that they are doomed to spend an eternity in hell? Just doesn't add up for me. I've asked several people from several different religious backgrounds this same question and no one can seem to give me an answer.

I fault no one for having religious beliefs because it gives people a moral compass. My only request is that until people stop picking and chosing which parts of the bible they want to follow and take it as a whole, then don't try to throw it in my face and tell me that I'm damned to spend an eternity in hell (to which, I've been told on several occassions).

At the end of the day, the 1st Amendment of the United States says that I have religious freedom and shall not be discriminated upon for my beliefs and therefore, I can not discriminate upon others for their beliefs. So how about if you believe what you want to believe and I'll believe what I want to believe and as long as we treat each other with a common respect then the world will be a better place to live.