[CNorris]

Originally Posted by amac

i'm not trashing religion, i'm just very knowledgable in science, especially cell biology and genomics... so everything fits together nicely for me in the science camp as of right meow...

i think anyone who doesn't understand what i posted, or couldn't believe that evolution happens the way it is explained by darwin needs to read "the origin of species"... or at least read over evolution on wikipedia, it will hopefully help you understand

Everything I have ever read about the incredible bio diversity on this planet, chemistry, bio chemistry, DNA, binary fission, mitosis RNA synthesis and on and on makes me absolutely laugh in the face of anyone that can understand these processes and believe they are a product of chance. I can not even imagine a blindly ignorant mind set.

You are the worst type of evolutionist. You apparently understand the undeniable improbability and impossibility of life randomly forming and you choose to ignore it. Enjoy drinking the kool aid of scientific myth. I will drink the kool aid of the persuit of ultimate truth.

[Tiberius]

Originally Posted by CNorris

I will drink the kool aid

Again?

[CNorris]

Originally Posted by rockhard_4eva

This is why the Church sees/saw the AIDS virus not as a virus (WHICH IS A FACKING PROTEIN BUT IS NOT LIFE, DOES NOT SUSTAIN LIFE, ETC.), but as God's revenge on homosexuality.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go blow my load into a condom and flush it down the toilet. Please give 5 minutes of slience for the billions of living soldiers that are about to be sent to heaven.

Are you speaking again? You bring nothing relevant to any discussion on this planet. Why you are blowing your load please take that cyanide breath mint like I suggested.

A virus is not a protein. You are a fool. A virus has DNA, can reproduce etc. A virus sustains life because it has the ability to reproduce and replicate when it is infecting a host. Please try again and make an ass out of yourself again.

[CNorris]

Originally Posted by Tiberius

Again?

Way to misquote me. Thats the only way people like you can win any sort of honest debate.

[rockhard_4eva]

Originally Posted by CNorris

Are you speaking again? You bring nothing relevant to any discussion on this planet. Why you are blowing your load please take that cyanide breath mint like I suggested.

A virus is not a protein. You are a fool. A virus has DNA, can reproduce etc. A virus sustains life because it has the ability to reproduce and replicate when it is infecting a host. Please try again and make an ass out of yourself again.

A Virus is not a protein? A virus sustains life?

I do not expect you to understand what you are typing, because your knowledge of science seems to be derived from some biased source.

Let me guess, you were home schooled?

[rockhard_4eva]

Originally Posted by CNorris

Everything I have ever read about the incredible bio diversity on this planet, chemistry, bio chemistry, DNA, binary fission, mitosis RNA synthesis and on and on makes me absolutely laugh in the face of anyone that can understand these processes and believe they are a product of chance. I can not even imagine a blindly ignorant mind set.

You are the worst type of evolutionist. You apparently understand the undeniable improbability and impossibility of life randomly forming and you choose to ignore it. Enjoy drinking the kool aid of scientific myth. I will drink the kool aid of the persuit of ultimate truth.

No, you will drink the kool aid of the misguided right, which is actually tang.

It turns out, evolutionists believe the world to be over 6000 years old, which gives enough time for all the incredible biodiversity to evolve from lower species.

And for chirst's sake, evolution has nothing to do with a product of chance.

[CNorris]

Originally Posted by rockhard_4eva

A Virus is not a protein? A virus sustains life?

I do not expect you to understand what you are typing, because your knowledge of science seems to be derived from some biased source.

Let me guess, you were home schooled?

LOL! You are hilarious!

1) A VIRUS IS NOT A ****ING PROTEIN. SOME SCIENTISTS WANT TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF LIFE BECAUSE A VIRUS IS ESSENTIALLY A LIFE FORM, BUT MISSING A FEW OF THE CHARACTERISTICS. IT IS A VERY UNIQUE FORM OF LIFE.
2) A VIRUS HAS DNA AND CAN REPLICATE ITSELF
3) AN ORGANISM THAT REPLICATES ITSELF PRODUCES AND SUSTAINS ITS OWN FORM OF LIFE
4) I HAVE A DEGREE IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING FROM A VERY LIBERAL PUBLIC UNIVERSITY.
5) I AM AN ENGINEER FOR A COMPANY IN THE TOP 10 OF THE FORTUNE 500 LIST.
6) I MAKE MORE MONEY THAN YOU CAN EVER DREAM OF.

[CNorris]

Originally Posted by rockhard_4eva

No, you will drink the kool aid of the misguided right, which is actually tang.

It turns out, evolutionists believe the world to be over 6000 years old, which gives enough time for all the incredible biodiversity to evolve from lower species.

And for chirst's sake, evolution has nothing to do with a product of chance.

I never said i believed the world is 6000 years old. That is a common and foolish assumption people like you try and make because it helps you attempt to discredit anyone that points out the flaws in evolution.

Evolution has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE PRODUCT OF CHANCE!!!!!!!!
If it wasnt chance, what was the guiding force behind life? Luke Sywalker, Chewbacca? Genetic mutation = 100% chance.
Random formation of life = 100% chance.
A genetic mutation becoming hereditary and being able to be passed in DNA = 100% chance.

Once again you make an asshat of yourself.

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by CNorris

HAHAHA! That sentence is just laughable. Sorry, I cant even read further that was so retarded.
Do you even know what a protein is? I just explained it. A protein is a BIOLOGICAL molecule that has no reason to exist except to sustain and be part of a living organism. Take away life and entropy causes that incredibly complex high energy molecule made up of a highly specific chain of hundreds of thosands of amino acids to wither away and break apart. If even one amino acid is screwed in the ordering of the protein, it falls apart and gets broken up. How do you think that 20 amino acids combined to form this molecule randomly, and 8 trillion proteins of 5 to 10 thousand types managed to form and sustain itself and reproduce in the early hostile environment they would have faced on this planet. There were no proteins just sitting around in the early days on this planet. There is no possible way even 20 amino acids were just laying around in some giant molecule cocktail. Amino acids had to reason to form, let alone all 20 of them exist side by side for the incredible number of years it would take for them to form some worthless non functional protein that would last about 10 seconds. Amino acids can be formed naturally with high energy input under very very perfect conditions, but going from an amino acid to a protein is like going from a letter to a book. A cell somehow formed? You have a lot of blind faith in very unscientific speculation.

Maybe I will educate you some more on the other points tomorrow. Until then study some bio chemistry.

You're barking up the wrong tree here retard. You have no idea what you're talking about, and I very much do. Here is an amino acid:
http://www.hcc.mnscu.edu/programs/de...tructure_2.jpg
Notice the composition of the molecule, nitrogen, carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen. Those were all very abundant atoms in early earth.

The possibility of amino acid formation in the primordial stage of the earth has been essentially proven for 50 years http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise...gy/miller.html

Not only did the primordial soup experiment result in all 20 amino acids being formed, it also formed adenine, a nucleic acid seen in DNA and RNA.

In addition, there are only about 20 amino acids naturally occurring "on earth". We've discovered close to 90 amino acids!! Where did the rest come from? A freaking asteroid! Explain that one moron. We found freaking amino acids on an asteroid.

And, don't go bashing the belief that a cell could have spontaneously formed. At least scientists can reasonably speculate on formation. You believe that the God of the bible poofed us here in a process that completely contradicts all we've ever discovered with our extremely accurate scientific tools for ageing such things as fossils, bones, etc.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You know about as much about biochemistry as a rock does about taking a crap. If I asked you why an amino acid is called an amino acid you'd have to google it.

And, your useage of the word entropy clearly proves you know nothing of thermodynamics. You said "Take away life and entropy causes that incredibly complex high energy molecule made up of a highly specific chain of hundreds of thosands of amino acids to wither away and break apart. " which would make any chemist / physicist just laugh at you until they sharted so much they'd slip and break their necks. Entropy doesn't "cause" anything. Its a description of how processes spontaneously occur. In the entire system of the universe, the entropy is increasing meaning that the amount of disorder is increasing. However, this doesn't not mean that a specific part of a system cannot see a decrease in entropy! You cleaning your room into an orderly situation does not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics and tear apart the fabric of our universe (if you don't understand that analogy you've never even taken a physics/chem course).

Seriously CNorris, I'd recommend spending a few more years in sciences courses before you try to bring this debate to my table. And, sure as hell don't be stupid enough to pretend to try and educate me in these areas when you obviously have no education in these areas. If you were educated in biology/chemistry/physics either you're a total idiot or a total slacker.

I'm not denying the possibility that a God of sorts exists. In fact, I believe that its highly possible. But, if God does exist he didn't poof us here and he engineered life on earth with the ability to evolve.

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by CNorris

LOL! You are hilarious!

1) A VIRUS IS NOT A ****ING PROTEIN. SOME SCIENTISTS WANT TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF LIFE BECAUSE A VIRUS IS ESSENTIALLY A LIFE FORM, BUT MISSING A FEW OF THE CHARACTERISTICS. IT IS A VERY UNIQUE FORM OF LIFE.

Its not a unique form of life by current definition it is not alive, as you just said...but that's "definition".

2) A VIRUS HAS DNA AND CAN REPLICATE ITSELF
3) AN ORGANISM THAT REPLICATES ITSELF PRODUCES AND SUSTAINS ITS OWN FORM OF LIFE

A virus CANNOT replicate itself. It can only inject its DNA into a host which has the equipment to replicate it. It is not capable of replication!

4) I HAVE A DEGREE IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING FROM A VERY LIBERAL PUBLIC UNIVERSITY.
5) I AM AN ENGINEER FOR A COMPANY IN THE TOP 10 OF THE FORTUNE 500 LIST.

Then:
1) quit pretending you know anything about biology / biochem / chem / etc.
2) If you're an electrical engineer, why is your concept of entropy so freaking poor? You would have surely spent some time in physics classes.

6) I MAKE MORE MONEY THAN YOU CAN EVER DREAM OF.

[CNorris]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

You're barking up the wrong tree here retard. You have no idea what you're talking about, and I very much do. Here is an amino acid:
http://www.hcc.mnscu.edu/programs/de...tructure_2.jpg
Notice the composition of the molecule, nitrogen, carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen. Those were all very abundant atoms in early earth.

The possibility of amino acid formation in the primordial stage of the earth has been essentially proven for 50 years http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise...gy/miller.html

Not only did the primordial soup experiment result in all 20 amino acids being formed, it also formed adenine, a nucleic acid seen in DNA and RNA.

In addition, there are only about 20 amino acids naturally occurring "on earth". We've discovered close to 90 amino acids!! Where did the rest come from? A freaking asteroid! Explain that one moron. We found freaking amino acids on an asteroid.

And, don't go bashing the belief that a cell could have spontaneously formed. At least scientists can reasonably speculate on formation. You believe that the God of the bible poofed us here in a process that completely contradicts all we've ever discovered with our extremely accurate scientific tools for ageing such things as fossils, bones, etc.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You know about as much about biochemistry as a rock does about taking a crap. If I asked you why an amino acid is called an amino acid you'd have to google it.

And, your useage of the word entropy clearly proves you know nothing of thermodynamics. You said "Take away life and entropy causes that incredibly complex high energy molecule made up of a highly specific chain of hundreds of thosands of amino acids to wither away and break apart. " which would make any chemist / physicist just laugh at you until they sharted so much they'd slip and break their necks. Entropy doesn't "cause" anything. Its a description of how processes spontaneously occur. In the entire system of the universe, the entropy is increasing meaning that the amount of disorder is increasing. However, this doesn't not mean that a specific part of a system cannot see a decrease in entropy! You cleaning your room into an orderly situation does not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics and tear apart the fabric of our universe (if you don't understand that analogy you've never even taken a physics/chem course).

Seriously CNorris, I'd recommend spending a few more years in sciences courses before you try to bring this debate to my table. And, sure as hell don't be stupid enough to pretend to try and educate me in these areas when you obviously have no education in these areas. If you were educated in biology/chemistry/physics either you're a total idiot or a total slacker.

I'm not denying the possibility that a God of sorts exists. In fact, I believe that its highly possible. But, if God does exist he didn't poof us here and he engineered life on earth with the ability to evolve.

Im done responding to your pathetic mind. You say I dont konw anything about science, and you claim proteins were just everywhere is a chemical soup early on in the earth's history? That is like Rosie Odonnel calling someone else fat ugly and stupid. Sorry but you lost this argument before you began. You are a fool, you know nothing of science. Go ahead and worship your chemical bath and lightning and keep making stupid and incorrect assumptions about me and others that point out the absolute absurdity in your faith. You are a ****ing religous zealot as much as any Muslim or Christian. I would debate you if you had any good points, but people have run out of good points on this thread. I am done posting here. Enjoy your baseless worthless existance.

[rockhard_4eva]

Originally Posted by CNorris

LOL! You are hilarious!

1) A VIRUS IS NOT A ****ING PROTEIN. SOME SCIENTISTS WANT TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF LIFE BECAUSE A VIRUS IS ESSENTIALLY A LIFE FORM, BUT MISSING A FEW OF THE CHARACTERISTICS. IT IS A VERY UNIQUE FORM OF LIFE.
2) A VIRUS HAS DNA AND CAN REPLICATE ITSELF
3) AN ORGANISM THAT REPLICATES ITSELF PRODUCES AND SUSTAINS ITS OWN FORM OF LIFE
4) I HAVE A DEGREE IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING FROM A VERY LIBERAL PUBLIC UNIVERSITY.
5) I AM AN ENGINEER FOR A COMPANY IN THE TOP 10 OF THE FORTUNE 500 LIST.
6) I MAKE MORE MONEY THAN YOU CAN EVER DREAM OF.

WOW!

You forgot number 7: You have a bigger **** than I could ever dream of.

I can tell you really do have an education, because not only did you state that you have a degree in electrical engineering from an all boys school, but also that you work as an.....drum roll......an engineer.

I like point number 2. Its a classic. Viruses have dna, but not rna, because rna belongs to the devil.

[rockhard_4eva]

Hey kwyckemynd00,

I think this dude is a little out there. Anyone with knowledge of basic biology wouldn't be making the mistakes this guy is.

But he makes more money than me.

[CNorris]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Its not a unique form of life by current definition it is not alive, as you just said...but that's "definition".
A virus CANNOT replicate itself. It can only inject its DNA into a host which has the equipment to replicate it. It is not capable of replication!

You did not teach me anything with that sentence. Try again.
Then:
1) quit pretending you know anything about biology / biochem / chem / etc.

Part of engineering is taking science classes in all areas. I took basically every form of science there is in College.

2) If you're an electrical engineer, why is your concept of entropy so freaking poor? You would have surely spent some time in physics classes.

LOL! Coming from the guy that thinks proteins just flew around and bounced off each other is a primordial chemical bath!

OK This is my last post. You people are proof we aren't evolving to a more advanced state.

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by CNorris

Im done responding to your pathetic mind. You say I dont konw anything about science, and you claim proteins were just everywhere is a chemical soup early on in the earth's history? That is like Rosie Odonnel calling someone else fat ugly and stupid. Sorry but you lost this argument before you began. You are a fool, you know nothing of science. Go ahead and worship your chemical bath and lightning and keep making stupid and incorrect assumptions about me and others that point out the absolute absurdity in your faith. You are a ****ing religous zealot as much as any Muslim or Christian. I would debate you if you had any good points, but people have run out of good points on this thread. I am done posting here. Enjoy your baseless worthless existance.

You've got to be kidding me. You are probably the most delusional person I've ever come across.

In addiiton, during this entire "debate" (I'd hardly call it a debate considering I make points and you cry about how their invalid without making a counter point) you've said nothing....and a lot of it. All you've said so far is that you're "deh gr8ness" and we suck.

How did it feel having your ass handed to you?

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by CNorris

OK This is my last post. You people are proof we aren't evolving to a more advanced state.

And this is proof you don't understand the concepts of both evolution and natural selection.