Alberto Gonzales & His Amazing Memory!!!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post

    Actually the leak was the crime. Motive is only relevant towards proof of the act. Leaking an agent's name for any reason, even bad gas which somehow caused a lapse in judgement, is illegal.
    You are correct! I should not have used the term "leaking" which implies "intent".

    More clearly, mentioning Valrie Plame was an agent is criminal if it could be proven that there was malice. The case was hinged on proving that there was "malicious intent" in the form of revenge for her husbands failure to play ball with Cheney's White house. This was never proven. So, without malice it just becomes a lapse in judgment, there was a wrist slapping obstruction of justice charge "soft balled" on Scooter"take one for the team"Libby. "obla de, obla da life goes on"


  2. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhino View Post
    You are correct! I should not have used the term "leaking" which implies "intent".

    More clearly, mentioning Valrie Plame was an agent is criminal if it could be proven that there was malice. The case was hinged on proving that there was "malicious intent" in the form of revenge for her husbands failure to play ball with Cheney's White house. This was never proven. So, without malice it just becomes a lapse in judgment, there was a wrist slapping obstruction of justice charge "soft balled" on Scooter"take one for the team"Libby. "obla de, obla da life goes on"
    You call that a wrist slap when he was sentenced to jail and Sany Berger gets a small fine?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    Revenge ROFL. More like defending and debunking (which they did) a personal attack on your integrity. Wilson's story in the NYT was proven false.

    When? by Whom?

    Political motivations drove Plame and Wilson to attack Cheney and the Bush admins integrity,

    Duh, no kidding **** Tracy! That's what this is all about!!!!!

    and they learned of Plames CIA status from the media.

    duh, again that's what this is all about !!!

    How did the media learn about PLame?????

    In an attempt to defend themselves (like anyone should be able to do in a free nation) Plames so-called "secret" status was revealed. Libby did not leak Plames name, that is proven. Thats not what he was charged with. Intentional leaking or not, this did not put her in danger.

    Duh, Its the revealing of her "so-called" secret status that makes this an issue.
    I mean that's the whole point

    How can you be missing that!!!


    Destroying national archive records is putting the entire country in danger.

    Duh, that's why your boy scooter is waiting to be pardoned in 2009

    Gonzales has committed NO ****ING CRIME! Clinton fired those that investigated his whitewater land deal, along with 92 other US attourneys.

    Yeah, So! You just said that wasn't a crime?

    Dont tell me that wasn't politcally motivated. Why wasnt he investigated?

    Duh, because he was the President! not the attorney general!

    Where were the Scandlemongers like Schumer and Reid when Clinton and Reno were giving a nearly eight-year seminar on how to politicize and corrupt the Justice Department? Firing someone investigating you should be illegal. (IE Clinton firing whitewater attourney) This person was enforcing the law. That wasnt investigated and blown up by the media.

    Again, you just said that in the Gonzales case that its not a crime but, now you are saying it should be a crime???

    Do your realize one of the US attourneys fired by Gonzales wouldnt deport illegals unless they committed their 2nd felony. Also, one would not prosecute marijuana cases unless that person had over one pound. Im not sure the story on the rest, but firing people that dont enforece the law when its their job to do so isnt polically motivated. The New York Times sure wont inform you of these incredibly relevant facts, they'd prefer to run another story on Abu Ghraib.

    Yeah, pot smokers and giving people a second chance are much worse offenses, than illegal torture!!!..until its your turn on the water board!

    This is just another sorry pathetic attempt by democrats to attack an administration because they have nothing to contribute to the benefit of the American people.
    Put down the kool-aid before its too late!!!

    Attacking this administration is the best thing that any American can do,...read the f**king Declaration of Independence or the US constitution.

    This is not a kingdom!!!!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhino View Post
    Put down the kool-aid before its too late!!!

    Attacking this administration is the best thing that any American can do,...read the f**king Declaration of Independence or the US constitution.

    This is not a kingdom!!!!
    Wow you are a complete idiot. If you think waterboarding people that have inside information about Al Quaeda attacks is anything but great, I hope you, and your family and all your friends die in the next terrorist attack. Oh noo! Poor terrorists! They got some water in their nose!
    You call that torture hahahahahahaha. And sleep deprivation, being interrogated by women and other such tactics are illegal torture? Wow, you arent just drinking Kool Aid, there must be some LSD in your Juice.

    BTW you did not make on relevant argument in that entire pathetic attempt at a tirade. If Gonzales committed a crime, Clinton did it 100x worse. The fact that Clinton fired people for directly investigating him made it a crime. Im not saying firing the 92 people was a crime. But according to you lunatic lefties firing 8 for not enforcing the law is. Libby did not leak Plames name, and if it could be proven Cheney or someone else high up did, then why werent they charged with that? Because they didnt have a case.

    All you can try and do take things out of context, piece them together and attempt to make a point in typical Michael Moore fashion. Except you are have 1/1,000,000 the amount talent at smearing the truth than Moore.

    Attacking the administration for actually committing crimes is one thing, but to bring baseless charges and try to set up purgery traps all around Washington to further your political career and not serving the american people would have the founding fathers turning over in their graves. Apparently you think its Congress' role to initiate a fight with the president like a street fighting bully is serving the people. Make some laws that benefit the country, like keeping our incredible economy stong by making the tax cuts permanent, fixing social security, finding a solution on illegal immigration, get a pork free bill for the troops safety passed. Thats what Congress and the American people and the media should be concentrated on. Instead liberals are concentraed on character assasignations, losing a war, undermining America, furthering a wellfare state like poverty in their vote getting disctricts. Once again, Whats good for America is bad for Democrats.

  5. Hrm I appear to have been educated on Pelosi's antics; the distinction lies in whether she attempted to be an official US presence or was there unofficially, and that is a distinction which I am unsure of, so she's in the clear unless someone can clarify otherwise.

    Dingy Harry's real estate fiasco was no more than a few months ago. Sandy Burgler's crime is an ongoing problem; we have no idea what he destroyed or why, but obviously it was important enough to him to risk jail time to protect.

    And CNorris brings up the coupe de grace on the Gonzales issue; Clinton fired people who were investigating him, which is a crime (never called to task), whereas Gonzales fired people for reasons of which we are unsure of, although he claims it was due to neglect and laziness.

    I'm all for an investigation and whatnot, perhaps if enough Senators get together in a self important committee they can come up with what they are officially charging Gonzales, Bush and Rove with so that this whole thing can get expedited
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    Wow you are a complete idiot. If you think waterboarding people that have inside information about Al Quaeda attacks is anything but great, I hope you, and your family and all your friends die in the next terrorist attack. Oh noo! Poor terrorists! They got some water in their nose!

    Thanks for the good words. My friends died in the last terrorist attack...and no amount of "waterboarding" is going to bring them back. Although, it did get a lot of useless confessions, that have saved no one!


    You call that torture hahahahahahaha. And sleep deprivation, being interrogated by women and other such tactics are illegal torture?

    Well, only by the definitions of the Geneva Convention!

    Wow, you arent just drinking Kool Aid, there must be some LSD in your Juice.


    Oh, now I remember your the guy with the head injury!

    Why do you keep bringing up LSD is it part of your treatment?


    The fact that Clinton fired people for directly investigating him made it a crime. Im not saying firing the 92 people was a crime.

    Please make up your mind is it a crime or not!!!

    But according to you lunatic lefties firing 8 for not enforcing the law is.

    Its only a crime if the laws they are not enforcing are hand picked by one Karl Rove!

    Libby did not leak Plames name, and if it could be proven Cheney or someone else high up did, then why werent they charged with that? Because they didnt have a case.

    This time you are correct! Yea!!! However, you may not know this but, there is a difference between breaking the law and being prosecuted for breaking the law! So your buddies caught a break!

    All you can try and do take things out of context, piece them together and attempt to make a point in typical Michael Moore fashion. Except you are have 1/1,000,000 the amount talent at smearing the truth than Moore.

    Again you are correct Michael Moore is much better at smearing the truth than me. That is why he was invited to the 2004 Republican National Convention and I had to watch it on TV!

    Attacking the administration for actually committing crimes is one thing, but to bring baseless charges and try to set up purgery traps all around Washington to further your political career and not serving the american people would have the founding fathers turning over in their graves.

    Make some laws that benefit the country, like keeping our incredible economy stong
    by making the tax cuts permanent, fixing social security, finding a solution on illegal immigration, get a pork free bill for the troops safety passed. Thats what Congress and the American people and the media should be concentrated on.

    Wow, we agree yet again! The troops would be a lot safer without no-bid contracts for Cheney's pals!

    Instead liberals are concentraed on character assasignations, losing a war, undermining America, furthering a wellfare state like poverty in their vote getting disctricts. Once again, Whats good for America is bad for Democrats.
    While, I am not a Democrat, maybe you can help me sort a few things out,when you say "liberals" do you mean the Bush Administration because that's who you are describing!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhinoQuote:
    Originally Posted by CNorris

    [B
    Thanks for the good words. My friends died in the last terrorist attack...and no amount of "waterboarding" is going to bring them back. Although, it did get a lot of useless confessions, that have saved no one![/B]

    How do you know that? Do you work for the CIA, or have access to classified documents? No, in fact information has been detained, specifically from interigation in Britian and Pakistand stopped the chemical water bottle bomb plot in Britain. There have been countless other attacks stopped in the US also that have been made public. You couldnt be more wrong, and I hate to say it but out of anyone I've talked to you deserve to have lost loved ones to terrorists. And you still cant see the reality. It just illustrates the extreme extent your delusion




    You call that torture hahahahahahaha. And sleep deprivation, being interrogated by women and other such tactics are illegal torture?

    Well, only by the definitions of the Geneva Convention!

    The Geneva convention DOES NOT APPLY to illegal combatants that have national affiliation. And if the Geneva convention does not allow keeping people awake or them to get interrogated by a woman, then I'm proud my leaders dont follow that foolishness.

    Wow, you arent just drinking Kool Aid, there must be some LSD in your Juice.


    Oh, now I remember your the guy with the head injury!

    Why do you keep bringing up LSD is it part of your treatment?



    The fact that Clinton fired people for directly investigating him made it a crime. Im not saying firing the 92 people was a crime.

    Please make up your mind is it a crime or not!!!


    I guess its a crime according to the lunatic lefties! Its the liberals who are making the charge. Im saying if Gonzales commited a crime, then Clinton committed it 84 more times. (Not including the guy he fired that was trying to put him in jail)



    But according to you lunatic lefties firing 8 for not enforcing the law is.

    Its only a crime if the laws they are not enforcing are hand picked by one Karl Rove!

    And the firing of the guy investigating Clinton wasnt even a higher level (IE Clinton HIMSELF!)


    Libby did not leak Plames name, and if it could be proven Cheney or someone else high up did, then why werent they charged with that? Because they didnt have a case.

    This time you are correct! Yea!!! However, you may not know this but, there is a difference between breaking the law and being prosecuted for breaking the law! So your buddies caught a break!

    So you prefer to treat terrorists innocent until proven guilty, but not the Presidential Cabinet? You must really hate the USA.

    All you can try and do take things out of context, piece them together and attempt to make a point in typical Michael Moore fashion. Except you are have 1/1,000,000 the amount talent at smearing the truth than Moore.

    Again you are correct Michael Moore is much better at smearing the truth than me. That is why he was invited to the 2004 Republican National Convention and I had to watch it on TV!

    No, actually Moore sat right next to Jimmy Carter in a booth at the Democratic National Convention!

    Attacking the administration for actually committing crimes is one thing, but to bring baseless charges and try to set up purgery traps all around Washington to further your political career and not serving the american people would have the founding fathers turning over in their graves.

    Make some laws that benefit the country, like keeping our incredible economy stong
    by making the tax cuts permanent, fixing social security, finding a solution on illegal immigration, get a pork free bill for the troops safety passed. Thats what Congress and the American people and the media should be concentrated on.

    Wow, we agree yet again! The troops would be a lot safer without no-bid contracts for Cheney's pals!


    Dont forget, Clinton hired Haliburton too. In fact he hired them as the logistics arm for the war in Kosovo because they are a well qualified military contractor! The NYT doesnt tell you that do they?

    Instead liberals are concentraed on character assasignations, losing a war, undermining America, furthering a wellfare state like poverty in their vote getting disctricts. Once again, Whats good for America is bad for Democrats.
    Culture of corruption = Democrats!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhinoQuote:
    Originally Posted by CNorris

    'Wow you are a complete idiot. If you think waterboarding people that have inside information about Al Quaeda attacks is anything but great, I hope you, and your family and all your friends die in the next terrorist attack. Oh noo! Poor terrorists! They got some water in their nose!" <- Said by CNorris

    Thanks for the good words. My friends died in the last terrorist attack...and no amount of "waterboarding" is going to bring them back. Although, it did get a lot of useless confessions, that have saved no one! <- Said by anabolicrhino


    [COLOR="Red"
    How do you know that? Do you work for the CIA, or have access to classified documents? No, in fact information has been detained, specifically from interigation in Britian and Pakistand stopped the chemical water bottle bomb plot in Britain. There have been countless other attacks stopped in the US also that have been made public. You couldnt be more wrong, and I hate to say it but out of anyone I've talked to you deserve to have lost loved ones to terrorists. And you still cant see the reality. It just illustrates the extreme extent your delusion
    [/COLOR]



    You call that torture hahahahahahaha. And sleep deprivation, being interrogated by women and other such tactics are illegal torture?

    Well, only by the definitions of the Geneva Convention!

    The Geneva convention DOES NOT APPLY to illegal combatants that have national affiliation. And if the Geneva convention does not allow keeping people awake or them to get interrogated by a woman, then I'm proud my leaders dont follow that foolishness.

    Wow, you arent just drinking Kool Aid, there must be some LSD in your Juice.


    Oh, now I remember your the guy with the head injury!

    Why do you keep bringing up LSD is it part of your treatment?



    The fact that Clinton fired people for directly investigating him made it a crime. Im not saying firing the 92 people was a crime.

    Please make up your mind is it a crime or not!!!


    I guess its a crime according to the lunatic lefties! Its the liberals who are making the charge. Im saying if Gonzales commited a crime, then Clinton committed it 84 more times. (Not including the guy he fired that was trying to put him in jail)



    But according to you lunatic lefties firing 8 for not enforcing the law is.

    Its only a crime if the laws they are not enforcing are hand picked by one Karl Rove!

    And the firing of the guy investigating Clinton wasnt even a higher level (IE Clinton HIMSELF!)


    Libby did not leak Plames name, and if it could be proven Cheney or someone else high up did, then why werent they charged with that? Because they didnt have a case.

    This time you are correct! Yea!!! However, you may not know this but, there is a difference between breaking the law and being prosecuted for breaking the law! So your buddies caught a break!

    So you prefer to treat terrorists innocent until proven guilty, but not the Presidential Cabinet? You must really hate the USA.

    All you can try and do take things out of context, piece them together and attempt to make a point in typical Michael Moore fashion. Except you are have 1/1,000,000 the amount talent at smearing the truth than Moore.

    Again you are correct Michael Moore is much better at smearing the truth than me. That is why he was invited to the 2004 Republican National Convention and I had to watch it on TV!

    No, actually Moore sat right next to Jimmy Carter in a booth at the Democratic National Convention!

    Attacking the administration for actually committing crimes is one thing, but to bring baseless charges and try to set up purgery traps all around Washington to further your political career and not serving the american people would have the founding fathers turning over in their graves.

    Make some laws that benefit the country, like keeping our incredible economy stong
    by making the tax cuts permanent, fixing social security, finding a solution on illegal immigration, get a pork free bill for the troops safety passed. Thats what Congress and the American people and the media should be concentrated on.

    Wow, we agree yet again! The troops would be a lot safer without no-bid contracts for Cheney's pals!


    Dont forget, Clinton hired Haliburton too. In fact he hired them as the logistics arm for the war in Kosovo because they are a well qualified military contractor! The NYT doesnt tell you that do they?

    Instead liberals are concentraed on character assasignations, losing a war, undermining America, furthering a wellfare state like poverty in their vote getting disctricts. Once again, Whats good for America is bad for Democrats.
    Culture of corruption = Democrats!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhinoQuote:
    Originally Posted by CNorris

    Wow you are a complete idiot. If you think waterboarding people that have inside information about Al Quaeda attacks is anything but great, I hope you, and your family and all your friends die in the next terrorist attack. Oh noo! Poor terrorists! They got some water in their nose!

    Thanks for the good words. My friends died in the last terrorist attack...and no amount of "waterboarding" is going to bring them back. Although, it did get a lot of useless confessions, that have saved no one! <- Said by CNorris

    [COLOR="Red"
    How do you know that? Do you work for the CIA, or have access to classified documents? No, in fact information has been detained, specifically from interigation in Britian and Pakistand stopped the chemical water bottle bomb plot in Britain. There have been countless other attacks stopped in the US also that have been made public. You couldnt be more wrong, and I hate to say it but out of anyone I've talked to you deserve to have lost loved ones to terrorists. And you still cant see the reality. It just illustrates the extreme extent your delusion
    [/COLOR]



    You call that torture hahahahahahaha. And sleep deprivation, being interrogated by women and other such tactics are illegal torture?

    Well, only by the definitions of the Geneva Convention!

    The Geneva convention DOES NOT APPLY to illegal combatants that have national affiliation. And if the Geneva convention does not allow keeping people awake or them to get interrogated by a woman, then I'm proud my leaders dont follow that foolishness.

    Wow, you arent just drinking Kool Aid, there must be some LSD in your Juice.


    Oh, now I remember your the guy with the head injury!

    Why do you keep bringing up LSD is it part of your treatment?



    The fact that Clinton fired people for directly investigating him made it a crime. Im not saying firing the 92 people was a crime.

    Please make up your mind is it a crime or not!!!


    I guess its a crime according to the lunatic lefties! Its the liberals who are making the charge. Im saying if Gonzales commited a crime, then Clinton committed it 84 more times. (Not including the guy he fired that was trying to put him in jail)



    But according to you lunatic lefties firing 8 for not enforcing the law is.

    Its only a crime if the laws they are not enforcing are hand picked by one Karl Rove!

    And the firing of the guy investigating Clinton wasnt even a higher level (IE Clinton HIMSELF!)


    Libby did not leak Plames name, and if it could be proven Cheney or someone else high up did, then why werent they charged with that? Because they didnt have a case.

    This time you are correct! Yea!!! However, you may not know this but, there is a difference between breaking the law and being prosecuted for breaking the law! So your buddies caught a break!

    So you prefer to treat terrorists innocent until proven guilty, but not the Presidential Cabinet? You must really hate the USA.

    All you can try and do take things out of context, piece them together and attempt to make a point in typical Michael Moore fashion. Except you are have 1/1,000,000 the amount talent at smearing the truth than Moore.

    Again you are correct Michael Moore is much better at smearing the truth than me. That is why he was invited to the 2004 Republican National Convention and I had to watch it on TV!

    No, actually Moore sat right next to Jimmy Carter in a booth at the Democratic National Convention!

    Attacking the administration for actually committing crimes is one thing, but to bring baseless charges and try to set up purgery traps all around Washington to further your political career and not serving the american people would have the founding fathers turning over in their graves.

    Make some laws that benefit the country, like keeping our incredible economy stong
    by making the tax cuts permanent, fixing social security, finding a solution on illegal immigration, get a pork free bill for the troops safety passed. Thats what Congress and the American people and the media should be concentrated on.

    Wow, we agree yet again! The troops would be a lot safer without no-bid contracts for Cheney's pals!


    Dont forget, Clinton hired Haliburton too. In fact he hired them as the logistics arm for the war in Kosovo because they are a well qualified military contractor! The NYT doesnt tell you that do they?

    Instead liberals are concentraed on character assasignations, losing a war, undermining America, furthering a wellfare state like poverty in their vote getting disctricts. Once again, Whats good for America is bad for Democrats.
    Culture of corruption = Democrats!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhinoQuote:
    Originally Posted by CNorris

    Wow you are a complete idiot. If you think waterboarding people that have inside information about Al Quaeda attacks is anything but great, I hope you, and your family and all your friends die in the next terrorist attack. Oh noo! Poor terrorists! They got some water in their nose! <-Said by CNorris

    Thanks for the good words. My friends died in the last terrorist attack...and no amount of "waterboarding" is going to bring them back. Although, it did get a lot of useless confessions, that have saved no one! <- Said by anabolicrhino

    How do you know that? Do you work for the CIA, or have access to classified documents? No, in fact information has been detained, specifically from interigation in Britian and Pakistand stopped the chemical water bottle bomb plot in Britain. There have been countless other attacks stopped in the US also that have been made public. You couldnt be more wrong, and I hate to say it but out of anyone I've talked to you deserve to have lost loved ones to terrorists. And you still cant see the reality. It just illustrates the extreme extent your delusion
    <- Reply by CNorris



    You call that torture hahahahahahaha. And sleep deprivation, being interrogated by women and other such tactics are illegal torture?

    [B
    Well, only by the definitions of the Geneva Convention! [/B]

    The Geneva convention DOES NOT APPLY to illegal combatants that have national affiliation. And if the Geneva convention does not allow keeping people awake or them to get interrogated by a woman, then I'm proud my leaders dont follow that foolishness.

    Wow, you arent just drinking Kool Aid, there must be some LSD in your Juice.


    Oh, now I remember your the guy with the head injury!

    Why do you keep bringing up LSD is it part of your treatment?



    The fact that Clinton fired people for directly investigating him made it a crime. Im not saying firing the 92 people was a crime.

    Please make up your mind is it a crime or not!!!


    I guess its a crime according to the lunatic lefties! Its the liberals who are making the charge. Im saying if Gonzales commited a crime, then Clinton committed it 84 more times. (Not including the guy he fired that was trying to put him in jail)



    But according to you lunatic lefties firing 8 for not enforcing the law is.

    Its only a crime if the laws they are not enforcing are hand picked by one Karl Rove!

    And the firing of the guy investigating Clinton wasnt even a higher level (IE Clinton HIMSELF!)


    Libby did not leak Plames name, and if it could be proven Cheney or someone else high up did, then why werent they charged with that? Because they didnt have a case.

    This time you are correct! Yea!!! However, you may not know this but, there is a difference between breaking the law and being prosecuted for breaking the law! So your buddies caught a break!

    So you prefer to treat terrorists innocent until proven guilty, but not the Presidential Cabinet? You must really hate the USA.

    All you can try and do take things out of context, piece them together and attempt to make a point in typical Michael Moore fashion. Except you are have 1/1,000,000 the amount talent at smearing the truth than Moore.

    Again you are correct Michael Moore is much better at smearing the truth than me. That is why he was invited to the 2004 Republican National Convention and I had to watch it on TV!

    No, actually Moore sat right next to Jimmy Carter in a booth at the Democratic National Convention!

    Attacking the administration for actually committing crimes is one thing, but to bring baseless charges and try to set up purgery traps all around Washington to further your political career and not serving the american people would have the founding fathers turning over in their graves.

    Make some laws that benefit the country, like keeping our incredible economy stong
    by making the tax cuts permanent, fixing social security, finding a solution on illegal immigration, get a pork free bill for the troops safety passed. Thats what Congress and the American people and the media should be concentrated on.

    Wow, we agree yet again! The troops would be a lot safer without no-bid contracts for Cheney's pals!


    Dont forget, Clinton hired Haliburton too. In fact he hired them as the logistics arm for the war in Kosovo because they are a well qualified military contractor! The NYT doesnt tell you that do they?

    Instead liberals are concentraed on character assasignations, losing a war, undermining America, furthering a wellfare state like poverty in their vote getting disctricts. Once again, Whats good for America is bad for Democrats.
    Culture of corruption = Democrats!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhinoQuote:
    Originally Posted by CNorris

    Wow you are a complete idiot. If you think waterboarding people that have inside information about Al Quaeda attacks is anything but great, I hope you, and your family and all your friends die in the next terrorist attack. Oh noo! Poor terrorists! They got some water in their nose! <-Said by CNorris

    Thanks for the good words. My friends died in the last terrorist attack...and no amount of "waterboarding" is going to bring them back. Although, it did get a lot of useless confessions, that have saved no one! <- Said by anabolicrhino

    How do you know that? Do you work for the CIA, or have access to classified documents? No, in fact information has been detained, specifically from interigation in Britian and Pakistand stopped the chemical water bottle bomb plot in Britain. There have been countless other attacks stopped in the US also that have been made public. You couldnt be more wrong, and I hate to say it but out of anyone I've talked to you deserve to have lost loved ones to terrorists. And you still cant see the reality. It just illustrates the extreme extent your delusion
    <- Reply by CNorris



    You call that torture hahahahahahaha. And sleep deprivation, being interrogated by women and other such tactics are illegal torture?

    [B
    Well, only by the definitions of the Geneva Convention! [/B]

    The Geneva convention DOES NOT APPLY to illegal combatants that have national affiliation. And if the Geneva convention does not allow keeping people awake or them to get interrogated by a woman, then I'm proud my leaders dont follow that foolishness.

    Wow, you arent just drinking Kool Aid, there must be some LSD in your Juice.


    Oh, now I remember your the guy with the head injury!

    Why do you keep bringing up LSD is it part of your treatment?



    The fact that Clinton fired people for directly investigating him made it a crime. Im not saying firing the 92 people was a crime.

    Please make up your mind is it a crime or not!!!


    I guess its a crime according to the lunatic lefties! Its the liberals who are making the charge. Im saying if Gonzales commited a crime, then Clinton committed it 84 more times. (Not including the guy he fired that was trying to put him in jail)



    But according to you lunatic lefties firing 8 for not enforcing the law is.

    Its only a crime if the laws they are not enforcing are hand picked by one Karl Rove!

    And the firing of the guy investigating Clinton wasnt even a higher level (IE Clinton HIMSELF!)


    Libby did not leak Plames name, and if it could be proven Cheney or someone else high up did, then why werent they charged with that? Because they didnt have a case.

    This time you are correct! Yea!!! However, you may not know this but, there is a difference between breaking the law and being prosecuted for breaking the law! So your buddies caught a break!

    So you prefer to treat terrorists innocent until proven guilty, but not the Presidential Cabinet? You must really hate the USA.

    All you can try and do take things out of context, piece them together and attempt to make a point in typical Michael Moore fashion. Except you are have 1/1,000,000 the amount talent at smearing the truth than Moore.

    Again you are correct Michael Moore is much better at smearing the truth than me. That is why he was invited to the 2004 Republican National Convention and I had to watch it on TV!

    No, actually Moore sat right next to Jimmy Carter in a booth at the Democratic National Convention!

    Attacking the administration for actually committing crimes is one thing, but to bring baseless charges and try to set up purgery traps all around Washington to further your political career and not serving the american people would have the founding fathers turning over in their graves.

    Make some laws that benefit the country, like keeping our incredible economy stong
    by making the tax cuts permanent, fixing social security, finding a solution on illegal immigration, get a pork free bill for the troops safety passed. Thats what Congress and the American people and the media should be concentrated on.

    Wow, we agree yet again! The troops would be a lot safer without no-bid contracts for Cheney's pals!


    Dont forget, Clinton hired Haliburton too. In fact he hired them as the logistics arm for the war in Kosovo because they are a well qualified military contractor! The NYT doesnt tell you that do they?

    Instead liberals are concentraed on character assasignations, losing a war, undermining America, furthering a wellfare state like poverty in their vote getting disctricts. Once again, Whats good for America is bad for Democrats.
    this stupid HTML is ****ed for some reason, the beginning is screwy but most of my replies are in red.

  12. My favorite Gonzo moment to date:

    SPECTER: Where you have the Constitution having an explicit provision that the writ of habeas corpus cannot be suspended except for rebellion or invasion, and you have the Supreme Court saying that habeas corpus rights apply to Guantanamo detainees ó aliens in Guantanamo ó after an elaborate discussion as to why, how can the statutory taking of habeas corpus ó when thereís an express constitutional provision that it canít be suspended, and an explicit Supreme Court holding that it applies to Guantanamo alien detainees.

    GONZALES: A couple things, Senator. I believe that the Supreme Court case youíre referring to dealt only with the statutory right to habeas, not the constitutional right to habeas.

    SPECTER: Well, youíre not right about that. Itís plain on its face they are talking about the constitutional right to habeas corpus. They talk about habeas corpus being guaranteed by the Constitution, except in cases of an invasion or rebellion. They talk about John Runningmeade and the Magna Carta and the doctrine being imbedded in the Constitution.

    GONZALES: Well, sir, the fact that they may have talked about the constitutional right to habeas doesnít mean that the decision dealt with that constitutional right to habeas.

    SPECTER: When did you last read the case?

    GONZALES: It has been a while, but Iíll be happy to ó I will go back and look at it.

    SPECTER: I looked at it yesterday and this morning again.

    GONZALES: I will go back and look at it. The fact that the Constitution ó again, there is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution. There is a prohibition against taking it away. But itís never been the case, and Iím not a Supreme ó

    SPECTER: Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. The constitution says you canít take it away, except in the case of rebellion or invasion. Doesnít that mean you have the right of habeas corpus, unless there is an invasion or rebellion?

    GONZALES: I meant by that comment, the Constitution doesnít say, ďEvery individual in the United States or every citizen is hereby granted or assured the right to habeas.Ē It doesnít say that. It simply says the right of habeas corpus shall not be suspended except by ó

    SPECTER: You may be treading on your interdiction and violating common sense, Mr. Attorney General.

    GONZALES: Um.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    Culture of corruption = Democrats!
    Obviously..

    http://www.sptimes.com/2007/04/23/ne...Feeney_a.shtml

    Or is the FBI now part of the rapid left wing now as well?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by zbtboy View Post
    Obviously..

    http://www.sptimes.com/2007/04/23/ne...Feeney_a.shtml

    Or is the FBI now part of the rapid left wing now as well?
    Tom Feeney is a ****ING nobody. Harry Reid, the SENATE MAJORITY LEADING DEMOCRAT WENT OFF ABOUT Abramhoff and the scandal. He knew a lot about the scandle, much more than most. WHAT A ****ING JOKE HAHAHAHAHA. Reid is the most pathetic politician I have ever seen.

    Harry Reid Caught in Abramoff Plea Deal?

  15. This is a reply to "cnorris", who for some reason has trouble with the HTML editor.

    you said>How do you know that? Do you work for the CIA, or have access to classified documents? No, in fact information has been detained, specifically from interigation in Britian and Pakistand stopped the chemical water bottle bomb plot in Britain. There have been countless other attacks stopped in the US also that have been made public.

    Please proof read your posts.

    You are saying that I could not have information unless I worked for the CIA or had access to classified documents, then you have the audacity in the same paragraph to claim that you have such knowledge??? Do you work for the CIA? that would expalin a lot. You posts are like a disinformation exercise!



    You couldnt be more wrong, and I hate to say it but out of anyone I've talked to you deserve to have lost loved ones to terrorists. And you still cant see the reality. It just illustrates the extreme extent your delusion
    <- Reply by CNorris

    Now, you are playing God and deciding who deserves to die???

    more cnorris drivel-
    The Geneva convention DOES NOT APPLY to illegal combatants that have national affiliation. And if the Geneva convention does not allow keeping people awake or them to get interrogated by a woman, then I'm proud my leaders dont follow that foolishness.

    The term illegal combatants does not appear in any Geneva document. It was made up by the Bush Administration!!!
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Finally, No matter the degree of guilt of Bill Clinton, It does not make Gonzales any less guilty or incompetent.

    Clinton = guilty(84)=guilty
    Gonzales= guilty or incompetent= guilty or incompetent

    See they way it works is you can't subtract one person's guilt from another person's guilt and leave a total of not guilty!!!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by zbtboy View Post
    My favorite Gonzo moment to date:

    SPECTER: Where you have the Constitution having an explicit provision that the writ of habeas corpus cannot be suspended except for rebellion or invasion, and you have the Supreme Court saying that habeas corpus rights apply to Guantanamo detainees ó aliens in Guantanamo ó after an elaborate discussion as to why, how can the statutory taking of habeas corpus ó when thereís an express constitutional provision that it canít be suspended, and an explicit Supreme Court holding that it applies to Guantanamo alien detainees.

    GONZALES: A couple things, Senator. I believe that the Supreme Court case youíre referring to dealt only with the statutory right to habeas, not the constitutional right to habeas.

    SPECTER: Well, youíre not right about that. Itís plain on its face they are talking about the constitutional right to habeas corpus. They talk about habeas corpus being guaranteed by the Constitution, except in cases of an invasion or rebellion. They talk about John Runningmeade and the Magna Carta and the doctrine being imbedded in the Constitution.

    GONZALES: Well, sir, the fact that they may have talked about the constitutional right to habeas doesnít mean that the decision dealt with that constitutional right to habeas.

    SPECTER: When did you last read the case?

    GONZALES: It has been a while, but Iíll be happy to ó I will go back and look at it.

    SPECTER: I looked at it yesterday and this morning again.

    GONZALES: I will go back and look at it. The fact that the Constitution ó again, there is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution. There is a prohibition against taking it away. But itís never been the case, and Iím not a Supreme ó

    SPECTER: Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. The constitution says you canít take it away, except in the case of rebellion or invasion. Doesnít that mean you have the right of habeas corpus, unless there is an invasion or rebellion?

    GONZALES: I meant by that comment, the Constitution doesnít say, ďEvery individual in the United States or every citizen is hereby granted or assured the right to habeas.Ē It doesnít say that. It simply says the right of habeas corpus shall not be suspended except by ó

    SPECTER: You may be treading on your interdiction and violating common sense, Mr. Attorney General.

    GONZALES: Um.
    Thanks dude I had totally forgot that Gonzales is the guy who thinks that Habeas Corpus is not in the Constitution!!!

    Well there goes any reasonable doubt theories as a defense!

    I can't believe this guy is still a public official!

    unless there is an underlying scheme?

    Support of Gonzales affirms power play - The Boston Globe

  17. another tidbit. ...

    October 7, 2005
    "Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), a U.S. legislative watchdog group, has released a report attempting to document the unethical and illegal activities of who they are calling the "most tainted members of Congress". In describing the reasons for the report Melanie Sloan, executive director of CREW said, "[CREW] was compelled to research and release a report on these corrupt members because the ethics committees in both the House and Senate are completely inert. The report calls for the House and Senate to act to investigate and take appropriate action against them for these violations of the rules." She went on to attack both parties regarding ethics, "Democrats are just as much to blame as Republicans for the current ethics deadlock. The Democrats won't file ethics complaints against even the most egregious violators like DeLay and Ney. The Democrats are spineless."
    The report is entitled "Beyond DeLay: The 13 Most Corrupt Members of Congress", seeking to capitalize on the current media attention on ethics that has come about due to the indictments of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.
    The report covers possible violations of federal laws, as well as congressional ethics rules. To compile the report, CREW drew upon Federal Election Commission (FEC) reports and audits, sworn testimony, emails, and personal financial and travel disclosure forms. By analyzing that information, CREW then attempted to determine if the member's activities violated federal laws, regulations, or congressional ethics rules. (excluding the obvious Republican Majority Leader Tom Delay)
    (The 11 Republican and 2 Democratic) members of Congress covered are:

    o [corruption:] Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT) Defeated in 2006
    o [corruption:] Sen. Bill Frist (R-TN, Senate Majority leader), Retired in 2006
    o [corruption:] Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA). Defeated in 2006
    o [corruption:] Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO, House Majority Whip)
    o [corruption:] Rep. Randy Cunningham (R-CA) Imprisoned in 2006
    o [corruption:] Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL)
    o [corruption:] Rep. William Jefferson (D-LA)
    o [corruption:] Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO)
    o [corruption:] Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH) Resigned in 2006
    o [corruption:] Rep. Richard Pombo (R-CA) Defeated in 2006
    o [corruption:] Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ)
    o [corruption:] Rep. Charles Taylor (R-NC)
    o [corruption:] Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA)

  18. Two things: I believe Gonzales was ineptly attempting to show that the constitution applies to Citizens of the United States and not to foreigners. Whether a person from another country who seeks to terrorize and does not wear a military uniform should be subject to the Geneva convention, let alone our constitution is dubious at best.

    Secondly, the Republicans listed above that are guilty of ethics issues are accused of some relatively minor issues. Charles Taylor, for example, abused his Representative position to fly out to Russia to further his own personal business dealings. Is it a waste, and does it have nothing to do with his Representative duties? Yes and yes, but how is this any different than politicians who abuse their power to fly across the country campaigning? Both situations are wrong, should not be on the tax payers dime, and should be rectified.

    I also find it comical that dingy Harry didn't make the list after his real estate fiasco

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Dagron View Post
    Two things: I believe Gonzales was ineptly attempting to show that the constitution applies to Citizens of the United States and not to foreigners. Whether a person from another country who seeks to terrorize and does not wear a military uniform should be subject to the Geneva convention, let alone our constitution is dubious at best.
    It is the Declaration of Independence that states :

    WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.


    ALL men! Not all men born in the United States, not all American citizens, but all men.

    There has been no change to the US constitution in its power to protect those rights!

    The Patriot Act gives a temporary and congressionally reviewed power to single out individuals that may be considered "enemy combatants". It in and of itself does not remove their rights.

    These rights are unalienable(cannot be removed) anywhere in the "free" universe!!!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Dagron View Post
    Two things: I believe Gonzales was ineptly attempting to show that the constitution applies to Citizens of the United States and not to foreigners. Whether a person from another country who seeks to terrorize and does not wear a military uniform should be subject to the Geneva convention, let alone our constitution is dubious at best.

    Secondly, the Republicans listed above that are guilty of ethics issues are accused of some relatively minor issues. Charles Taylor, for example, abused his Representative position to fly out to Russia to further his own personal business dealings. Is it a waste, and does it have nothing to do with his Representative duties? Yes and yes, but how is this any different than politicians who abuse their power to fly across the country campaigning? Both situations are wrong, should not be on the tax payers dime, and should be rectified.

    I also find it comical that dingy Harry didn't make the list after his real estate fiasco

    I'm pretty sure the Reid issue came up well after this list was created. I'm sure there are other dems that could be on this list, but that was posted so that CNorris could understand that corruption=government not one party alone.

  21. I understand the Declaration of Independence, I have a copy framed on my wall. The second sentence that you are quoting is in the context of a prolonged explanation for why the founding fathers were rebelling and why they believed that they were within their rights to throw off GB and form a new government. It was not meant to convey that all people from everywhere in the world are all entitled to constitutional protection via "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness". If we were to use that logic, then we couldn't have prisons or law enforcement at all, as that would infringe upon one's right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Heck, we couldn't even defend ourselves, as that would be denying someone their right to life.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Dagron View Post
    I understand the Declaration of Independence, I have a copy framed on my wall. The second sentence that you are quoting is in the context of a prolonged explanation for why the founding fathers were rebelling and why they believed that they were within their rights to throw off GB and form a new government.

    Are sure they were only talking about Great Britain?...because for one thing, Great Britain did not exist in 1776.(My copy says England) Your interpretation of Thomas Jefferson seems rather narrow. Do you think he could have possibly thought about the future at all?

    It was not meant to convey that all people from everywhere in the world are all entitled to constitutional protection via "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

    So, just special people as hand picked by the king?

    If we were to use that logic, then we couldn't have prisons or law enforcement at all, as that would infringe upon one's right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Heck, we couldn't even defend ourselves, as that would be denying someone their right to life.
    No, you are born with unalienable rights, among them;

    You have the right to a life. You do not have the right to infringe the life of another person.

    You have the right to Liberty. You do not have the right to infringe the liberty of another person.

    You have the right to pursue happiness. You do not have the right to infringe the pursuit of happiness of another person

    That's why we have a Laws!..to protect those rights!

    Think about the reason that the GWB says that the USA is in Iraq.... Isn't it to protect the freedoms of the Iraqi people?

  23. [QUOTE=anabolicrhino;792664]This is a reply to "cnorris", who for some reason has trouble with the HTML editor.

    I obviously didnt have ANY trouble with the last 2/3 of it, and it was a quote of a quote of a quote of a quote. The HTML editor has a problem with that, nice attempt at another character assasignation. Libs really love doing that.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhino View Post
    This is a reply to "cnorris", who for some reason has trouble with the HTML editor.

    you said>How do you know that? Do you work for the CIA, or have access to classified documents? No, in fact information has been detained, specifically from interigation in Britian and Pakistand stopped the chemical water bottle bomb plot in Britain. There have been countless other attacks stopped in the US also that have been made public.

    Please proof read your posts.

    You are saying that I could not have information unless I worked for the CIA or had access to classified documents, then you have the audacity in the same paragraph to claim that you have such knowledge??? Do you work for the CIA? that would expalin a lot. You posts are like a disinformation exercise!


    No, but the government has given clear examples of ways the patriot act has protected America. Give me one way in which the patriot act has influenced your life negatively, or any other innocent person.

    You couldnt be more wrong, and I hate to say it but out of anyone I've talked to you deserve to have lost loved ones to terrorists. And you still cant see the reality. It just illustrates the extreme extent your delusion
    <- Reply by CNorris

    Now, you are playing God and deciding who deserves to die???

    No I am not playing god, but those that dont defend themselves or believe in letting the government use reasonable power to protect them are foolish, and their foolishness is what makes them deserve to be hurt. If I believed in not wearing a seat belt and I died in a car accident, I would deserve to die more than a car accident victim that did believe in wearing a seat belt.


    more cnorris drivel-
    The Geneva convention DOES NOT APPLY to illegal combatants that have national affiliation. And if the Geneva convention does not allow keeping people awake or them to get interrogated by a woman, then I'm proud my leaders dont follow that foolishness.

    The term illegal combatants does not appear in any Geneva document. It was made up by the Bush Administration!!!

    When is the last time there was a rogue radical religous group that made an attack on civilians that killed over 3,000 people? Long after the Geneva convention was written. You just assume it protects these stateless thugs, even though there is no wording stating so. Another reason people of your ilk deserve to bear the brunt of any terrorist attack. You defend them more than you do you own government.
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Finally, No matter the degree of guilt of Bill Clinton, It does not make Gonzales any less guilty or incompetent.

    Clinton = guilty(84)=guilty,
    Gonzales= guilty or incompetent= guilty or incompetent

    Clinton = guilty, corrupt, liar, adulterer, coward that had the chance to kill Osama but didnt. But hey, he was charming, and was lucky enough to be part of the artificially inflated Enron and web site economy that was started to burst at the end of his term. And Sandy Burgular destroyed the records that proved him as militarily incompetent and responsible for 9/11.

    See they way it works is you can't subtract one person's guilt from another person's guilt and leave a total of not guilty!!!
    No, the way it works is you cant attack someone for doing something that a member of your own party did 84 more and have any ****ing integrity at all. If Clinton wasnt investigated, neither should Gonzales. Pretty simple to see the logic in that. Wait, liberal brains dont use logic, they use irrational idealistic and emotional feelings to back up their beliefs. Just like when Whoopi Goldberg said she doesnt have to justify her political views with logic, they can be based on feelings alone.

  25. When is the last time there was a rogue radical religous group that made an attack on civilians that killed over 3,000 people? Long after the Geneva convention was written. You just assume it protects these stateless thugs, even though there is no wording stating so. Another reason people of your ilk deserve to bear the brunt of any terrorist attack. You defend them more than you do you own government.
    Yes it protects them just like the constitution protects them. Why it even protects you.

    Why are you so afraid?
    Who are you afraid of?...terrorist? liberals?democrats?

    Don't worry big daddy Bush will protect you from the evil doers!

    Ok, other than on 9/11/2001 when he kind of dropped the ball.
    but that was Clintons fault right?

    Anyhow all those hijackers were killed, I mean except for the ones that are still alive.

    but at least Bush took down Osama Bin Laden "dead or alive"!
    Just like he said he would! remember when they hung him for those crimes, oh wait that was Sadaam.

    Ok so you must be afraid of the 7 living hijackers and Osama bin Laden, right?

    So, to protect you from those "freedom hating" terrorists who want to take away your freedom, Bush is taking away your freedom so you don't have to worry about losing them!

    What a plan! I can see why "you" support him so vigorously!!!
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