Im not going to lie, Youtube doesnt work on this computer, so I dont know exactly what is being said. As for the military being a last ditch answer, I dont think youre giving us soldiers a fair take. Some people do believe in this thing we call Patriotism. I can't define it, because it has a different meaning to everyone. As for Iraq being the only place to go in the military, thats so far from the truth its not even funny. Do you realize that only ~35% of all deployable soldiers have been to a combat zone? I went 3 times. And, honestly, most troops have alot of things better on deployment than they do in a garrison environment. The food is definitely better. MWR and AAFES are busting ass making sure soldiers have nearly every creature comfort. Hell, AAFES even sells condoms when sex is illegal in theater unless its your spouse! Basically, I guess Im just getting at the point that you shouldnt believe everything you see on CNN or read in the NY Times!Umm, the truth is, if you don't get into college and there are no jobs in your area, you have pretty much only 1 option: the military. That means Iraq. He made the mistake of telling the truth instead of being PC. Besides he didn't say everyone in the military fit that description. He said every poor, poorly educated person fits that description; military, crime, or abject poverty.
wow, you're really spinning hardcore for Kerry.Umm, the truth is, if you don't get into college and there are no jobs in your area, you have pretty much only 1 option: the military. That means Iraq. He made the mistake of telling the truth instead of being PC. Besides he didn't say everyone in the military fit that description. He said every poor, poorly educated person fits that description; military, crime, or abject poverty. Seriously, if you try to say most grunts are well educated when they enter the military, then you're an idiot.
There's a reason why the majority of those in the military come from areas with crap schools, depressed economies, and low standards of living.
Interestingly, I think the average person in the military has more education than the average american civilian. I'd have to verify it though.wow, you're really spinning hardcore for Kerry.
Fact is he said if you're not smart you wind up in Iraq.
This really shows what leftist elitists think about our military.
They hold all servicemen in total contempt and pay lip service only when it benefits their political ambitions.
I'm glad he hosed his chances at a Presidency because I think he sucks. It doesn't change the fact that he was right about this.Interestingly, I think the average person in the military has more education than the average american civilian. I'd have to verify it though.
To respond to Nullifidian, he wasn't telling the truth. What he said was an opinion, and IMO, even if you believe something like what he said is true, you don't go running your mouth off about it, especially with cameras. The guy just destroyed any hopes he had of Presidency in '08.
F&*(ING BULLSHlT!!! What, is this all just logical in the back of your mind or something? I've served iraq, afganistan, close ot marines, close to army, and close to navy. There are people like that, JUST AS IN EVERY FACET OF THE WORLD. Civilian or military. Most of the troops I have met, regardless of service, joined because of pride in the country, not cause they were from the slums. I know PLENTY of people who came from a strong background, and joined cause they felt the calling of the country. Just cause you dont like the military, or what we are doing, dont go stereotyping some young soldier cause your mind is so narrow... espeicially when he lays his life on the line for you, without regard.I'm glad he hosed his chances at a Presidency because I think he sucks. It doesn't change the fact that he was right about this.
Imagine this scenario:
You are a poor SOB living in a trailer. You barely graduated highschool. Not only can your family not afford college, you couldn't get in if you tried. You've never been arrested for anything. Here are your options:
1) Get a job at MacD's for minimum wage and not even be able to afford food
2) Lead a life of crime, probably as a drug dealer
3) Join the military
That's life in the slums of the USA. Option 3 plays itself over many many times and that's where the vast majority of our military comes from.
Nulli, I think you're out of your element here. I generally agree with you on most things but you're crossing the line here. Some of the brightest minds I have encountered put on a cammie uniform at some point. One of my good buddies was a grunt with an ASVAB score of 99 (highest) with a GT of over 160. He turned down several academic scholarships upon graduating high school just so he could serve his country proudly. You may call that stupid, I call it heroic.
I completely agree, he really effed himself on his delivery. The White House is now pushing him to apologize, he's being very dumb about this. Very dumb.I'd agree with that. The military is an opportunity for those who are anxious to get out of their impoverished environment, if that's the case. I'm not arguing that the majority of the military is not from a poor background, because most of them are. But to say "if you don't do well in school, you get stuck in Iraq" is a different story. JMO.
I would think your friend represents the minority of those in our Armed forced. People like him usually make high ranking officers (eventually) and serve to be an amazing tool. I think what Kerry said had some truth to it but his delivery was off especially considering the audience. The truth of the matter, whether everyone likes it or not, is that for a lot of people in poverish areas, the military is an amazing opportunity to change their lives that they would otherwise not have. We need soldiers and a lot of men in both low-class and lower middle-class that would otherwise be wasting away their lives have the opportunity to do some extremely meaninful with their lives and potentially provide their children with a life they could never have without being in the service.
These poor fops have realized they are nothing without the nuanced pronouncements of Lord Kerry.
I saw that. He even tries to turn the tables and say that for anyone to suggest he insulted the troops is an insult to him! He's a jackass.I was just about to post that pic
He is now saying he was speaking about Bush abd it was a botched joke that should of read...get *us* stuck in Iraq. Which to me still is stupid considering the President is far from uneducated. No matter how he sounds in his speeches.
I think he was hit in the EGO. Being that his is abnormally huge, it made an easy target.John Kerry spent 3 months in Veitnam - before receiving 3 purple hearts. Does anybody know - where was he hit? was he in the hospital?
I just gotta know???
Oddly enough, George Bush had better grades than Kerry in college, so he's still a moron even if that was what he was trying to say (which I don't believe for a second).I was just about to post that pic
He is now saying he was speaking about Bush abd it was a botched joke that should of read...get *us* stuck in Iraq. Which to me still is stupid considering the President is far from uneducated. No matter how he sounds in his speeches.
I honestly believe it was a botched joke when put into context with the rest of his speech, however, given his history it was probably one of those freudian slipsI was just about to post that pic
He is now saying he was speaking about Bush abd it was a botched joke that should of read...get *us* stuck in Iraq. Which to me still is stupid considering the President is far from uneducated. No matter how he sounds in his speeches.
These guys often forget they're not just speaking to the current audience. For a mostly liberal crowd who thinks they are superior to the rest of the red-state country and who still get off on the Bush-is-a-moron joke, it goes over well. I don't disbelieve Kerry when he said it was a botched joke, having read what he meant to say and knowing how badly I've botched speeches, and I've had training in public speaking. It can happen very easily. The way he botched it though, he didn't just put his foot in his mouth but straight through the back of his head and then kicked himself in his own ass.I can actually believe it wasa botched joke but I just don't understand it , even in that context. We're telling kids if they don't study and do their homework they can be president. I mean, I can think of worse jobs for failing out of school.
But, bottom line is both parties love this. Republicans don't want to talk about Iraq, Democrats don't want to talk about how they have no solid plans to significantly change anything in Iraq should they win. And of course the media plays into this nicely. It's much easier and gets better ratings when you have personality wars like this rather than discuss a substantive issue or two.
RARLEY do I agree with null on political issues, but...Nulli, I think you're out of your element here. I generally agree with you on most things but you're crossing the line here. Some of the brightest minds I have encountered put on a cammie uniform at some point. One of my good buddies was a grunt with an ASVAB score of 99 (highest) with a GT of over 160. He turned down several academic scholarships upon graduating high school just so he could serve his country proudly. You may call that stupid, I call it heroic.
It's funny, but when hiring people I often look for military people. Not necessarily because they are the brightest, I find the same mix of idiots and geniuses in as I do out of the military. But most of them have at least been disciplined into being able to properly present themselves at an interview. Althought I have had a few vets with emotional problems not do well at interviews. One guy showed up in camoflage with a knife strapped to his ankle for a banking position interview, and not because he didn't have time to change. That's just how he dressed. Tragic and funny at the same time. How would you like him as a mortgage broker?RARLEY do I agree with null on political issues, but...
Your missing nulls point. He's saying all oranges are fruits, and your accusing him of saying all fruits are oranges.
Cant decode my metaphor? He's not saying that everyone in the military is uneducated, just that a lot of uneducated folks join the military.
...or how about setting up a retirement account.." of course your realize, there is a substantial penalty for early withdrawl?"One guy showed up in camoflage with a knife strapped to his ankle for a banking position interview, and not because he didn't have time to change. That's just how he dressed. Tragic and funny at the same time. How would you like him as a mortgage broker?
Be great if he started screaming Arnie lines during a market crash. "The Dow is falling! Get to da choppa!"...or how about setting up a retirement account.." of course your realize, there is a substantial penalty for early withdrawl?"
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