What John Kerry thinks about our military..

**mp5man1** · 10-31-2006, 08:22 PM

I think John Kerry cares about John Kerry

**Jason Pegg** · 10-31-2006, 09:01 PM

John Kerry is a pompous assclown. Shows a lot of the actual man, not just the politician, who will belittle the people doing the same job he ran from.

Jason

Nullifidian · 10-31-2006, 09:08 PM

Umm, the truth is, if you don't get into college and there are no jobs in your area, you have pretty much only 1 option: the military. That means Iraq. He made the mistake of telling the truth instead of being PC. Besides he didn't say everyone in the military fit that description. He said every poor, poorly educated person fits that description; military, crime, or abject poverty. Seriously, if you try to say most grunts are well educated when they enter the military, then you're an idiot.

There's a reason why the majority of those in the military come from areas with crap schools, depressed economies, and low standards of living.

**Jason Pegg** · 10-31-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nullifidian

Umm, the truth is, if you don't get into college and there are no jobs in your area, you have pretty much only 1 option: the military. That means Iraq. He made the mistake of telling the truth instead of being PC. Besides he didn't say everyone in the military fit that description. He said every poor, poorly educated person fits that description; military, crime, or abject poverty.

Im not going to lie, Youtube doesnt work on this computer, so I dont know exactly what is being said. As for the military being a last ditch answer, I dont think youre giving us soldiers a fair take. Some people do believe in this thing we call Patriotism. I can't define it, because it has a different meaning to everyone. As for Iraq being the only place to go in the military, thats so far from the truth its not even funny. Do you realize that only ~35% of all deployable soldiers have been to a combat zone? I went 3 times. And, honestly, most troops have alot of things better on deployment than they do in a garrison environment. The food is definitely better. MWR and AAFES are busting ass making sure soldiers have nearly every creature comfort. Hell, AAFES even sells condoms when sex is illegal in theater unless its your spouse! Basically, I guess Im just getting at the point that you shouldnt believe everything you see on CNN or read in the NY Times!

Jason

klugman · 10-31-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nullifidian

Umm, the truth is, if you don't get into college and there are no jobs in your area, you have pretty much only 1 option: the military. That means Iraq. He made the mistake of telling the truth instead of being PC. Besides he didn't say everyone in the military fit that description. He said every poor, poorly educated person fits that description; military, crime, or abject poverty. Seriously, if you try to say most grunts are well educated when they enter the military, then you're an idiot.

There's a reason why the majority of those in the military come from areas with crap schools, depressed economies, and low standards of living.

wow, you're really spinning hardcore for Kerry.

Fact is he said if you're not smart you wind up in Iraq.

This really shows what leftist elitists think about our military.
They hold all servicemen in total contempt and pay lip service only when it benefits their political ambitions.

brogers · 10-31-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by klugman

wow, you're really spinning hardcore for Kerry.

Fact is he said if you're not smart you wind up in Iraq.

This really shows what leftist elitists think about our military.
They hold all servicemen in total contempt and pay lip service only when it benefits their political ambitions.

Interestingly, I think the average person in the military has more education than the average american civilian. I'd have to verify it though.

To respond to Nullifidian, he wasn't telling the truth. What he said was an opinion, and IMO, even if you believe something like what he said is true, you don't go running your mouth off about it, especially with cameras. The guy just destroyed any hopes he had of Presidency in '08.

Nullifidian · 11-01-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by brogers

Interestingly, I think the average person in the military has more education than the average american civilian. I'd have to verify it though.

To respond to Nullifidian, he wasn't telling the truth. What he said was an opinion, and IMO, even if you believe something like what he said is true, you don't go running your mouth off about it, especially with cameras. The guy just destroyed any hopes he had of Presidency in '08.

I'm glad he hosed his chances at a Presidency because I think he sucks. It doesn't change the fact that he was right about this.

Imagine this scenario:

You are a poor SOB living in a trailer. You barely graduated highschool. Not only can your family not afford college, you couldn't get in if you tried. You've never been arrested for anything. Here are your options:

1) Get a job at MacD's for minimum wage and not even be able to afford food
2) Lead a life of crime, probably as a drug dealer
3) Join the military

That's life in the slums of the USA. Option 3 plays itself over many many times and that's where the vast majority of our military comes from.

anabolicrhino · 11-01-2006, 07:20 AM

John Kerry's purpose in life has always been to make George W Bush look like an effective, decisive leader and to confirm that Bush was the right choice by the American people. He continues to baffle the public by making statements that help no one. He lobs up such "softball statements", that the Bush administration can easily "knock them out of the park".

It's as if he works for the Bush administration!...oops

**Jayhawkk** · 11-01-2006, 07:59 AM

I' not wasting my breath on this one othe than to say Kerry made a very bold statement and for those that can find a way to twist it to actually mean something that is truth. I'm glad you're able to live with yourself.

**DAdams91982** · 11-01-2006, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nullifidian

I'm glad he hosed his chances at a Presidency because I think he sucks. It doesn't change the fact that he was right about this.

Imagine this scenario:

You are a poor SOB living in a trailer. You barely graduated highschool. Not only can your family not afford college, you couldn't get in if you tried. You've never been arrested for anything. Here are your options:

1) Get a job at MacD's for minimum wage and not even be able to afford food
2) Lead a life of crime, probably as a drug dealer
3) Join the military

That's life in the slums of the USA. Option 3 plays itself over many many times and that's where the vast majority of our military comes from.

F&*(ING BULLSHlT!!! What, is this all just logical in the back of your mind or something? I've served iraq, afganistan, close ot marines, close to army, and close to navy. There are people like that, JUST AS IN EVERY FACET OF THE WORLD. Civilian or military. Most of the troops I have met, regardless of service, joined because of pride in the country, not cause they were from the slums. I know PLENTY of people who came from a strong background, and joined cause they felt the calling of the country. Just cause you dont like the military, or what we are doing, dont go stereotyping some young soldier cause your mind is so narrow... espeicially when he lays his life on the line for you, without regard.

unbelievable.

Adams

**Beelzebub** · 11-01-2006, 10:11 AM

Nulli, I think you're out of your element here. I generally agree with you on most things but you're crossing the line here. Some of the brightest minds I have encountered put on a cammie uniform at some point. One of my good buddies was a grunt with an ASVAB score of 99 (highest) with a GT of over 160. He turned down several academic scholarships upon graduating high school just so he could serve his country proudly. You may call that stupid, I call it heroic.

glg · 11-01-2006, 10:21 AM

Hate Bush...Scary Kerry. I keep hoping for someone to step up to the plate that I would like to vote FOR instead of basically voting against the other side.

It's all politics and obfuscation. Focusing on non-issues to divert attention from the core issues. Kerry called our trrops something now we can talk about that instead of how the war is actually going.

Be so glad when this round of politcal BS is over.

Rage (SoCal) · 11-01-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebub

Nulli, I think you're out of your element here. I generally agree with you on most things but you're crossing the line here. Some of the brightest minds I have encountered put on a cammie uniform at some point. One of my good buddies was a grunt with an ASVAB score of 99 (highest) with a GT of over 160. He turned down several academic scholarships upon graduating high school just so he could serve his country proudly. You may call that stupid, I call it heroic.

I would think your friend represents the minority of those in our Armed forced. People like him usually make high ranking officers (eventually) and serve to be an amazing tool. I think what Kerry said had some truth to it but his delivery was off especially considering the audience. The truth of the matter, whether everyone likes it or not, is that for a lot of people in poverish areas, the military is an amazing opportunity to change their lives that they would otherwise not have. We need soldiers and a lot of men in both low-class and lower middle-class that would otherwise be wasting away their lives have the opportunity to do some extremely meaninful with their lives and potentially provide their children with a life they could never have without being in the service.

**Beelzebub** · 11-01-2006, 10:34 AM

I'd agree with that. The military is an opportunity for those who are anxious to get out of their impoverished environment, if that's the case. I'm not arguing that the majority of the military is not from a poor background, because most of them are. But to say "if you don't do well in school, you get stuck in Iraq" is a different story. JMO.

Rage (SoCal) · 11-01-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebub

I'd agree with that. The military is an opportunity for those who are anxious to get out of their impoverished environment, if that's the case. I'm not arguing that the majority of the military is not from a poor background, because most of them are. But to say "if you don't do well in school, you get stuck in Iraq" is a different story. JMO.

I completely agree, he really effed himself on his delivery. The White House is now pushing him to apologize, he's being very dumb about this. Very dumb.

glg · 11-01-2006, 10:59 AM

He's been very d