Iraq troops 'buried family alive'

BioHazzard · 10-09-2006, 01:11 PM

This is the evil, whom the Democrats, the lefties, the liberals, the libertarians and the misguided Europeans all think the US is wrong to have removed from power.....

You have to be a total pervert to think that it is wrong to remove such evil.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq troops 'buried family alive'

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Iraq troops 'buried family alive'
A witness in the trial of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has said her family was "buried alive" by government forces who attacked her village.
She gave evidence as the trial for alleged war crimes and genocide resumed in Baghdad after a two-week break.

It was suspended after Saddam Hussein was ejected for defying the judge's instructions to be quiet.

The seven defendants were present, but a key defence lawyer says his team will continue to boycott the trial.

The 31-year-old woman was 13 when her northern Kurdish village was raided.

Speaking from behind a curtain to conceal her identity, she said: "I know the fate of my family. They were buried alive."

Identity cards belonging to five of her sisters were found in a mass grave in Samawa, south Iraq, the court heard.

"I would like to ask Saddam a question: 'What was the guilt of women and children?" she said through a translator.

The defence says the attacks were legitimate strikes against Kurds who were siding with Iranian forces.

'Women bound'

The woman described how the Iraqi army burned her village in April 1988.

She was arrested with eight members of her family and held in prison.

She said one prison guard "used to drag women, their hands and feet shackled, and leave them in a scorching sun for several hours."

More than 100,000 Kurds are said to have died during the so-called Anfal operation in 1988.

Another witness, farmer Abdul-Hadi Abdullah Mohammed, said his pregnant wife, mother, two brothers and two sisters, and four of their children had been missing since Iraqi forces destroyed his village in 1988.

He told the court that he had learnt his mother had died in Nugrat Salman after becoming ill.

Identity cards of one sister and a brother had been found in the mass graves in Samawa.

"The fate of my family is still unknown up to now," he told the court.

Both witnesses spoke of a black dog that dug up remains of prisoners and ate them.

The judge adjourned the case until 10 October.

Claims of bias

The previous session of the current trial ended in chaos after Saddam Hussein and co-defendant, Ali Hassan al-Majid, were ejected.

The remaining five defendants rose to their feet, shouting at the judge.

The defence team of lawyers was also absent.

The BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad says the long break was clearly designed to calm things down and allow time for the defendants to consult their legal team.

The team met Saddam Hussein a week ago but leading defence counsel, Khalil al-Dulaimi, has said the defence will continue to boycott the trial.

The defence is protesting about the replacement of former chief judge, Abdullah al-Amiri, following accusations of bias towards the former president.

New Chief Judge Mohammed Oreibi al-Khalifa has been much tougher on the defendants.

During the recess, the new judge's brother-in-law was murdered by gunmen in Baghdad.

Saddam Hussein has already been tried for the killing of 148 Shias in Dujail in 1982 and a judgement is awaited......"

Mulletsoldier · 10-09-2006, 01:23 PM

I personally at least, have never questioned that Sadaam was a sadistic, evil bastard who should have, by all means been removed from power. The how and true motives why he was removed was all, I personally at least, ever questioned.

BioHazzard · 10-09-2006, 01:27 PM

I dunno. May be you could have given him a Canadian citizenship, I suppose...

I bet he would prefer that over his jail now.

Mulletsoldier · 10-09-2006, 01:32 PM

lol...Nah, although he has the beard thing down enough to be a Canadian, he is a little too twisted for our little country..

BioHazzard · 10-09-2006, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

I personally at least, have never questioned that Sadaam was a sadistic, evil bastard who should have, by all means been removed from power. The how and true motives why he was removed was all, I personally at least, ever questioned.

You can't talk from both sides of your mouth there. You can't say on one hand he "should be removed by all means", and in the next sentence, raise issues about the 'how' and 'why' and what not. Self contradictory.

No more 4.0 GPA for ya!

Mulletsoldier · 10-09-2006, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BioHazzard

You can't talk from both sides of your mouth there. You can't say on one hand he "should be removed by all means", and in the next sentence, raise issues about this and that.

No more 4.0 GPA for ya!

By all means, used as a figure of speech meaning I agree with his removal.

Not by any means, big guy, meaning I agree with whatever tactics which were used.

I guess no 4.0 GPA for you either huh??

BioHazzard · 10-09-2006, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

By all means, used as a figure of speech meaning I agree with his removal.

Not by any means, big guy, meaning I agree with whatever tactics which were used.

I guess no 4.0 GPA for you either huh??

" I agree with whatever tactics which were used."
vs
"The how ...was all, I ..ever questioned."

See, I understood you correctly the first time. You reclarified that you "agree with whatever tactics which were used". Yet, you questioned the 'how'.

You can't both agree with whatever tactics used and also questioned the how, at the same time. Unless you are John Kelly...

Edit: On second thought... What the hell you are trying to say anyway?

P/S I am not the one flaunting a 4.00 GPA. I graduated with distinction, in my MASTERS degree..

I had a social life in college and couldn't spent all the time studying..

BioHazzard · 10-09-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

lol...Nah, although he has the beard thing down enough to be a Canadian, he is a little too twisted for our little country..

I dunno. May be ice fishing could be his new gig...

I mean, c'mon. He is so oppressed in his little jail, washing his own dirty underwear. Don't you Canadians have a thing for those being oppressed in jails?

BioHazzard · 10-09-2006, 01:50 PM

Allow me to summarize things for you, Mullet.

What you want to say is you are not a pervert who supports rape and mass murder. Ok, I can buy that. lol

Now onto the other part. If you have a better way to remove evil like Saddam, let's hear it. And if you can, please provide some examples or cases, showing that your methods/strategies have actually worked. Thankyou in advance.

**Jayhawkk** · 10-09-2006, 02:26 PM

I don't have a degree but I can pull from mullet's statement what he was saying.

Yes Saddam is evil and should have been removed. However, what were the real motives behind him actually being removed when there were other threats around the world.

Quote:

evil bastard who should have, by all means been removed from power.

Isn't saying removed by any means. He's saying that they should have removed him.

We have N.Korea flaunting their nukes in our face yet we stand by. Now I know the politics aren't the same but people still question things.

Anyone questioning motive has about as much knowledge as those who claim the motives were just and genuine. Last I checked none of us had access insode people's brains.

BioHazzard · 10-09-2006, 02:42 PM

I question the government's REAL motives! I question Bush's TRUE motives. I question US's TRUE motives!

BioHazzard · 10-09-2006, 02:43 PM

The real motives for removing Saddam and his Baathist regime are explained here.

America's Secret War - George Friedman - American Foreign Policy Insight

You don't need to be able to dig inside someone's brain for it.

You only need $25.95 OR you can read it free at your local Barnes & Noble. lol

....and before anybody asks, yes, I do get a comission for pimping this book repeatedly...

**Jayhawkk** · 10-09-2006, 03:05 PM

So besides the smilie faces what exactly is your point? Do you ever argue on a honest and mature level or do you resort to child-like comebacks and replies as your sole source of debate?

Mulletsoldier · 10-09-2006, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

So besides the smilie faces what exactly is your point? Do you ever argue on a honest and mature level or do you resort to child-like comebacks and replies as your sole source of debate?

Is that a hypothetical question Jay?

**somewhatgifted** · 10-09-2006, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

I don't have a degree but I can pull from mullet's statement what he was saying.

Yes Saddam is evil and should have been removed. However, what were the real motives behind him actually being removed when there were other threats around the world.

Isn't saying removed by any means. He's saying that they should have removed him.

We have N.Korea flaunting their nukes in our face yet we stand by. Now I know the politics aren't the same but people still question things.

Anyone questioning motive has about as much knowledge as those who claim the motives were just and genuine. Last I checked none of us had access insode people's brains.

Mr. chairman i second this.