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Old 10-06-2006, 07:57 AM   #31
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Well, you obviously have problems in sorting out what is truth and factual vs spin. Seeing how you tend to make up your own take on history and facts....
Well, you started it!

but I'll try to sort this out for you.

...Truth is what actually happened.
...Facts are generally regarded as truth qualified by experience
...Spin is taking a less then qualified "fact" and placing it in a context which best serves your agenda.(i.e Fox News Channel)

I do admit I make my "own" decisions based upon factual history. If you prefer to adopt the opnions of "others" you can count on my support of your right to defer conscious thought to those more qualified to inform you of the "truth"
 
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If the choice is between chicken hawks and French looking surrender monkeys I'm gonna go with the chicken hawks.

I love how all the democrat @ss clowns are talking about "redeploying" troops from Iraq.

What they really mean is "Runaway, runaway...we need to build more abortion clinics instead of fighting terrorists!"
 
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Well, you started it!

but I'll try to sort this out for you.

...Truth is what actually happened.
...Facts are generally regarded as truth qualified by experience
...Spin is taking a less then qualified "fact" and placing it in a context which best serves your agenda.(i.e Fox News Channel)

I do admit I make my "own" decisions based upon factual history. If you prefer to adopt the opnions of "others" you can count on my support of your right to defer conscious thought to those more qualified to inform you of the "truth"
Don't worry about helping me sorting things out. Afterall, I don't ever make the kind of posts that are so typical of yours. I don't make up lies and and I don't distort history. (But at least when caught, you had the balls to admit that you selectively picked and chose facts. I bet your party bosses must be rather that you let the cat out of the bag..... ) (BTW, how much do they pay you? lol )

We, neoCon, do not need to lie and distort the facts. We don't need to pretend to be an ex-leftie..

You are cut from the same cloth as all the lefties.

This post proves that you were never a GOP. You just follow your Mad Coward Dean's operating manual and pretended to be an ex-GOP, in a very sorry attempt to sugarcoat your leftie poison. A true GOP would choke on his own vomit, in sight of leftie crap, let along spilling it himself. You see... I am already about to puke now...
 
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Old 10-06-2006, 01:37 PM   #34
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If the choice is between chicken hawks and French looking surrender monkeys I'm gonna go with the chicken hawks.

I love how all the democrat @ss clowns are talking about "redeploying" troops from Iraq.

What they really mean is "Runaway, runaway...we need to build more abortion clinics instead of fighting terrorists!"
1. They want to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They want America to be defeated. They hate Bush so much that they want to turn Iraq from a success into LBJ's Vietnam.

2. They are so poisoned by their own venom, that they don't care about the 80-85% Sh1tes and Kurds civilian women and children being gang-raped, mass murdered and systematically tortured at the hands of Saddam's Baathist thugs and gangsters.

3. But they were all so eagered to send our troops into Bosnia and Kosova back then.....

The Democraps are the worst partisan hacks.

The Democrat Party used to stand for something good. Those days are long gone now. It is a true tragedy for the Republic. In the old days, real man, such as Henry Truman, Teddy Roosevelt, Patrick Moyniham (ex Senator, D-NY), Sam Nunn (ex Senator D-GA), who put the nation's interests first, who worked for the greater good of the country. And the rest of the Southern Democrates have all disappeared.....

Collin Powell is right when he said that today's Democrat Party is totally morally and intellectually corrupted. Dishonesty and treachery are their modus operandi. The Blue Dog Democrates have been totally silenced. The Mad Coward Dean's cancerous growth has spread throughout the body. The Klintonian moral pervesion and integrity bankruptcy, has all but turned the Democrate party into a party of liars and perverts.
 
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Old 10-06-2006, 01:46 PM   #35
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What if, I told you I voted for Clinton in 1996? That's right crossed the party lines..I feel so dirty, forget the party of Lincoln this isn't even the party of Reagan anymore!

Its the party that puts the "fox in charge of the chickens" or maybe the party that puts the "chickenhawks in charge of the children"....reminds me of that great scene between Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper in True Romance....Now your Sicilian(republican), you can tell,...am I lying?
You have provided more evidence that you lied. (Not that your abundant enthusiasm in spinning Mad Howl Dean's poison pen politics is not enough evidence already.) Of course you voted for Clinton!! You were never a GOP! (Don't pretend to spin that GOP voted for Billary. The only reason Billary slipped into the WhiteHouse, is b/c Ross Perot splitted the Right wing votes. Billary never got the majority vote. So, NO. GOP didn't cross over to vote for Billary.)

You are such a lousy liar. Your ideology is cut from the same cloth of all the mad howling lefties. You were never a GOP and you don't have any clue about the ideals and principles that GOP stands for. You never have, had, what it takes to be a GOP. You see... Democrates when they wise up, they become GOP, eg. Ronald Reagan etc. People simply don't grow stupid and become Democrat. You grow wiser.... You don't grow more stupid.

me think you need to go back to resit in Mad Howl Dean's "How to pretend to be an ex-GOP so we can pretend to be credible" training session...
 
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Old 10-06-2006, 02:04 PM   #36
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When we copy the same tactic and stick it back at the Dems, you hear all the whinning and moaning about we being divisive... LMFAO. You never hear any whimp about Democrat being divisive when they are the ones who lie and distort and twist the facts.

Oh wait... silly me... How could I forget! Doh!!! It is NEVER a crime, a perversion, a lapse of ethics, or a lapse of judgement WHEN a Democrate or a leftie is the one who committed the offence.

Democraps can do no wrong, BUT GOPS must not even Jaywalk! YEAH!!!!!!!!!! ---- (copyrighted by Mad Howl Dean)
 
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geez where to begin! I get out of work early, start looking for some AM power info...and now this(deep sigh) Well this time I won't let it slide by unchallenged, that would be weak and I feel an obligation to the members of AM to at least try and Learn Teach and Lead(even you)

Now, despite your personal and generalized attacks on my use of certain historical facts and your inability to segue even the simplist facts together to form any possible point beyond ideological demegoguery(which can be dismissed as either ad hominems or non sequitors), I think you would appreciate a little background on me. This way your retorts may have more punch or atleast be somewhat comprehendable.

The biggest weakness of this country is the two party system that forces people like you and me who may agree on some issues but not all, become polarized to an apparent party agenda.

I registered as a Republican(1984) because the party had a somewhat clear list of tennets that i though made sense. Mostly. less government, less taxes a strong foriegn policy.
I absolutely applauded welfare reform.

The democratic party(democrat is pundit spin word) was rather vague in the 1980's,..and still to this day..something about education and health care? luckily I have no obligation, either real or implied(leagl term) to vote for anybody other than the person who will best represent my pusuit of happiness.

1996 was a year of much success for me, So why change horses mid stream? for Bob Dole?

Today, it seems the Republican party has been usurped by the Bush "drunken, coke head, power tripping, Vietnam war skipping sons of privildge that nobody really trusts.

It scared me that Bush beat Kerry by basically calling him a coward, even though Kerry was actually in Vietnam fighting for this country, while GWB was......well we're really not sure umm..he was in the air national guard for a cup of coffee then the record of his whereabouts some how got lost in a fire or maybe it was a flood...Kerry who never really had a campaign platform other than he was smart because he married a rich widow??...could have been defeated by any one who showed even a little leadership! The point is that GWB had the balls to blast Kerry's military record, there by playing the fear card during a war...It was a desperate last resort, which is usually reserved for scoundrels.(it worked, thanks Ohio) So, this is why I can't support the republicans current agenda of "fascist imperialism", especially when they can't outline what the acutual goal of the foriegn occupations really accomplishes...Freedom for Iraqi and Afghanistan? security?Cheap gas?

The thing about security is you either have it or you don't. It is not a measurable quality that you can increase or decrease.

So, when the biggest breech of security that ever happened in 225 years of existance was on GWB's watch during Sept 11th, 2001, he has the un mitigated audacity to spin that by telling us he will make us more secure???WTF???
...and at the same time, defering ANY blame for the horrors of that day, because he was uninformed!!!!....Now, just before the election the Republicans spin the whole thing back to CLINTON!!!
My friend the pedophile rings are the least of your party's problems.

Although, if I were to pick a party purely based on the most recent "sex" scandals...I would have to go with Clinton getting head from Monica....the littleboy thing is just too icky...well good luck with that!!!

..oh just one other thing,..the way you combined mad cow disease with the word coward and apllied it to Howard Deans name...brilliant, I thought when you later switched "Howard" with "howl" was a risky debating ploy, but you pulled it off with your usual finess...nice work! It was completely unexpected..I'm hear waiting for the coward thing and then you go Howl...bravo well done sir! BTW who is Howard Dean again? and why do you keep referencing him in your posts?... is that non-sequitor thing
again? You know, where you tie-in unrelated facts to incomplete expressions of my posts, in order to discredit them by association with an unpopular third party. I gotcha fess up!
 
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Umm... Kinda like you did when you said that Fox News spun the facts? Heh, speaking of which... Can you give us an example? I happen to enjoy FNC. I also don't see any spin. Now, watch MSNBC sometime. CNN has gotten better, so I'll leave them out. What the BBC. Listen to NPR. You wanna talk about spin? There ya go. I can dig that up to .
 
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I think the moral of the story is{ If there is a politician in the room, somebody is going to get F*U*K*T IN DA AZZ!!!! Don't let it be YOU!!! }
 
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There's a difference between an associate of a congressman running a prostitution ring and a congressman being a sick pedophile.

They both should be OUT! I'm not defending anyone...I'm just pointing out that justice is not only blind but it is surely slanted in one direction......
The prostitution ring was run outta the congressman's house! What? Like he didn't know?

....he is another one if that wasn't good enough.....

William Jefferson was caught red handed with bribe money and somehow he is still voting in congress!

Still think there isn't a double standard? I know if other congressmen were caught with $90,000 in their freezer they would have been forced to reseign the next day and been crucified in the media.....but you barely heard a peep about it from the majority of media outlets.....
 



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geez where to begin! ......[snipped to save space].... I gotcha fess up!
dude... you have wasted your breathe there...(please don't write nauseatingly long winded posts.. I don't care to read those..) What makes you think I give a rat a$$ raging **** about your rambling explaination of your life story? You can call yourself the ex- World heavy weight boxing champion for all I care. It changes absolutely nothing. lol

I am sorry to say this. But the truth is your posts have always been a mind numbling scrambling of distorted facts and spaghetti logic.

I do encourage you to work for the election campaigns of the Donkey party... I strongly urge you to volunteer to write political speeches for Democrat candidates !! And don't forget campaign slogan!!!
 
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Umm... Kinda like you did when you said that Fox News spun the facts? Heh, speaking of which... Can you give us an example? I happen to enjoy FNC. I also don't see any spin. Now, watch MSNBC sometime. CNN has gotten better, so I'll leave them out. What the BBC. Listen to NPR. You wanna talk about spin? There ya go. I can dig that up to .
Any body who is deluded enough to buy the insinuation that Fox spins the facts, is...ehhh....how should I put it politely... ehhh... can never be a true GOP.... Yeah.. that's it.
 
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dude... you have wasted your breathe there...(please don't write nauseatingly long winded posts.. I don't care to read those..) What makes you think I give a rat a$$ raging **** about your rambling explaination of your life story? You can call yourself the ex- World heavy weight boxing champion for all I care. It changes absolutely nothing. lol

I am sorry to say this. But the truth is your posts have always been a mind numbling scrambling of distorted facts and spaghetti logic.

I do encourage you to work for the election campaigns of the Donkey party... I strongly urge you to volunteer to write political speeches for Democrat candidates !! And don't forget campaign slogan!!!
Dude why all the hostility! What agenda are you blindly following?

Why are you responding to a post you did not care to read?
(gotcha again!)

Come on, are you even trying? Your emoticon laced replies are the type of cookie-cutter logic that some Blurb-O-Matic internet "bot" might spew! Sorry to "out" you, I guess its only fair, after you "dimed me" as Ex-heavyweight Champ

Finally, I understand that my posts may seem mind boggling to you. That's okay, admitting you have a "developmental learning disorder" is the first step! I encourage you to reach out for help
There is no shame in being Republican. The shame is not even knowing there is a choice. Remember Jon Voight's speech in Coming Home That's you man! No not Jon Voight, that guy in the audience with the crewcut and frown.

You poor man you think I am "wasting my breath"?, like I am talking to the screen as I type? Your story has made me sad and remorseful. I promise not to to antagonize you with anymore mindnumbing facts Good Luck my friend! Fight the good fight!
 
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Umm... Kinda like you did when you said that Fox News spun the facts? Heh, speaking of which... Can you give us an example? I happen to enjoy FNC. I also don't see any spin. Now, watch MSNBC sometime. CNN has gotten better, so I'll leave them out. What the BBC. Listen to NPR. You wanna talk about spin? There ya go. I can dig that up to .
All main stream media "spin" to further the cause of their ownership! Technically beacuse of their "publicly held" corporate status they have to promote their own "corporate growth" as part of their shareholder agreement. Its one of those dirty little secrets. The 'truth' is not the ultimate goal of "corporate" news.

I specifically mention Fox News because of the nature of the author of the post. The Clinton interveiw would be an example of spinning a story.

These are not the Edward R Murrow years.

The last story any independent news source broke was Matt Drudge when he tagged Clinton.
 
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Still think there isn't a double standard? I know if other congressmen were caught with $90,000 in their freezer they would have been forced to reseign the next day and been crucified in the media.....but you barely heard a peep about it from the majority of media outlets.....

yeah, because the media outlets are all a bunch of butt sniffing goddamn liberal rats
 
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Dude why all the hostility! What agenda are you blindly following?
You admitted freely that you like to pick and choose facts selectively to basically...ehhh.. spin your posts.

You may think such spinning technique is a debating skill. What you don't realize is, such spinning technique is the modus operandi of Democrat political hacks, who are deprived of integrity, honesty, and basic human decency.

I have nothing but utter comtempt for them.

Unfortunately, if you don their camouflage, you get fragged too.. lol
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