What "ACTUALLY" happened on 911....
- 09-16-2006, 01:25 AM
everyday the vision of a man inches closer to reality, george orwell.... I get chills as i remember 1984. sounds kinda dumb but really g bush is checkin out web searches from google and searching pregnant mothers milk..... I dont like the american gov one bit thank god im canadian and our gov doesnt have the balls to do anyhting like that.
- 09-16-2006, 01:49 AM
Kind of a quick reason why these conspiracy theories do not really hold up.
The problem is not melting steel but bending moments.
A layman's version of bending moments is to take a book and put half of it over the edge. On the edge that is hanging over, slam down on it. It will spin and fall. That is a bending moment.
Structures are all susceptible to this. They could rebuild the tower taking a crash into perspective but perhaps not one of that size, velocity, and/or angle. Not to mention that even if it was, the added pressures of live loads from upper floors could affect equations to some extent.
Now, when a plane crashes into it, it broke into the building. The odds are 100% I'd say that the steel structures bent and were nicked, if not obliterated.
I have done tests in one of my classes. I took a chisel and a hammer. I made a nick maybe the size of a tip of a mechanical pencil. Then I attached stress and strain meters to it and did tests. The difference between that nick and not was in the hundreds of pounds per inch in the center of the steel but thousands of pounds per inch on the sides.
Predictably, after a while, the steel, that is so strong, snapped like a twig with this nick. What happened to the WTC was far bigger than this. The floors would not be able to handle the added pressure, bottom line.
Why they consulted Physics professors and not Structural Engineers is beyond me. Probably because they would shoot down this amateur hour theory with facts and probably diagrams. I believe ASCE even backs me on this.
I do not buy this explosives line for a second. Added pressure could easily make pressurized lines explode. Even more was that the nation lost $1 trillion. Then you have to add in the fact that a project this huge would require a lot of people and not everyone would be able to keep their mouths shut.
Everything Bush has done that was illegal has eventually been leaked by his subordinates. There is a reason why nobody is leaking it now: there was no US cooperation.
09-16-2006, 01:58 AM
Only problem is that they were designed to withstand such an attack/accident. And the impact, given the design of the buildings would not have damaged the infrastructure severely. That and it took 19 minutes of fire to bring down a tower, that had burned for 3 hours in 1975 with no hint of structural damage or collapse. If you watch the film it goes in depth to show how it was constructed. They also analyze the speed at which they fell, and that does not add up either. They did consult engineers- the ones who helped build the towers. There are countless eyewitness accounts of explosions. There were injuries and burns from expolsions inside the buildings prior to the fall, nowhere near where the planes hit. How do you xplain/ignore this stuff? . Actually all of this has been said. If you honestly watch all three parts of the film, it's the idea that the planes and resulting fire brought the towers down that sounds like the conspiracy theory. There are more facts than in the "official story". Fires don't bring buildings down. It's that simple. Buildings have raged in fire for 20 hours and not come down. Why is it so easy for people to believe that something that has NEVER happened, happened 3 times within an hour? And they don't have to keep anyone quiet. They just have to say the words "conspiracy theory" and the idea is discredited.Originally Posted by The Experiment
09-16-2006, 02:06 AM
I'll have to check it out. I have nothing to lose by being wrong. I just want to know the truth.Originally Posted by jarhead
I will say its not implausible. You bring up Operation Northwoods but I got another:
George H.W. Bush met with Iranian representatives in Paris France in October 1980. Bush convinced the Iranians to hold the hostages so that way Jimmy Carter would lose the re-election, which was heavily tied up with how the Iran hostage crisis was going. Carter of course lost.
09-16-2006, 02:09 AM
Wow, I hadn't heard that. I'll have to look that one up.Originally Posted by The Experiment
Like you, I feel it's not about being right, it's just wanting the truth(which unfortunately we will probably never get).
09-16-2006, 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by anabolicrhino
The same government where top members like **** Cheney go quail hunting on the weekends? They want to make possesing guns illegal? Forgive me....but somehow I don't buy that. Where is the documentation?
09-16-2006, 03:33 PM
They have to losen up the censoring of posts! They blacked out the 1st half of the Vice-Presidents name! If I called him "Richard"....no one would know who I was talking about! LMAO!Originally Posted by Big Matt
09-16-2006, 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by Big Matt
EVERYONE KNOWS BUSH IS BEHIND THIS CENSORING HERE AT AM!
09-16-2006, 10:22 PM
09-17-2006, 12:59 AM
Jesus ****ing Christ not another NWO Loser, You basement dwelling freak losers are the lowest forms of human life. They should round all you up in a concentration camp and kill you all so you cant reproduce and spread your ****ty genes among the gene pool. Read some REAL SCIENCE you worthless ****bag.Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS
Good Science and 9-11 Demolition Theories
09-17-2006, 01:10 AM
Its so pathetic so see how easily the human race can get so brainwashed by a fictional movie pretending to objectively explain the science behind 911. Well I take that back, anyone that believes in the demolitions/missile theory is a sub human neanderthal.
Alex Jones is a long time propaghandist. He makes left wing movies about anything to destroy Bush's reputation. His NWO films belong in the same genre as Lord of the Rings... "fantasy". If you buy into half truths and out of context statements as absolute fact, then you have a weak feeble pathetic mind. Anyone that things there were ANY controlled demolitions in the WTC do not deserve to live. Its funny how you lame brained low life roaches only come out of the wood work on the internet. ****ing outcasts losers. There was so much in depth scientific analysis on History, Discovery, and every other ****ing network on TV on September 11 that basically detailed every single damn moment of 911. If Believe in the missile theory/demolitions, you are either weak minded, ravenously hate Bush or are just too stupid to deserve to live on the same planet as us humans.
OK enough of my rant. I have nothing to prove. I am already superior to every single human that believes these lame brained theories. Just do yourselves a favor and read some REAL science. Its hilarious how easily all of these myths can be swept away with a little objective logic.
Good Science and 9-11 Demolition Theories
Popular Mechanics - Debunking The 9/11 Myths - Mar. 2005 Cover Story
09-17-2006, 01:16 AM
A Delusional Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist trying to dismiss the truth with another conspiracy theoryOriginally Posted by jarhead
Doesnt change the fact its all REAL SCIENCE. That May show his motiviation to help crush the theories floating around my feeble minded freaks like you. Doesnt fact that you are a freak and your theories are for pathetic losers. Enjoy your ****ty life. You really have to be a loser to believe in all those 911 theories.
09-17-2006, 01:19 AM
09-17-2006, 01:40 AM
ehhh.. I think the sissyfication of America is complete then.. We are rendered to only whine about crap on the internet, and no longer have what it takes to defend our rights and freedom any more.Originally Posted by jarhead
I think you are just covering up for all those who are all talk and no walk.
At least those of us who are not afraid of giving up some rights temporarily in war time, have the guts to die for what we believe in.
I forgot who said this. "A man who has nothing that he treasures so much as to give his life for, is a miserable creature, who can only be kept free by the exertion of others."
There comes a time in his life, when a man can look himself in the mirror and knows for certain if there is something he is willing to risk his life for. It is a question, that only you yourself know the true answer. You haven't lived until you have faced certain death. You haven't lived until you have actually gone through giving up on your life, and live to tell about it another day. Once you have done that, everyday above ground, is a good day.
To say that the days of revolution are gone, is a cop out. If the government has actually killed 3000 people, then there would be nothing that could prevent it from killing another 3000, and another 3000. No one would be safe. It could happen tomorrow, next week, next month. You could die. Your family could die. I could die. My loved ones could die.
I for one, WILL NOT want to live like a coward waiting to be snuffed out any time.
But alas.... not to be distressed. Seeing how the conspiracy nuts are worry free and carefree, makes you wonder why they are not the least bit concerned about the government pulling another 911. Shouldn't they be scared sh1tless already? Why the hell they walk about totally care free? Well, duh!!!!!!!!!!! Obviously they don't believe for one second that the government is going to pull another 911 on them any time soon. Now, why is that?????? What are they sooooo confident???
09-17-2006, 01:45 AM
pffff... anti gun, politically correct, criminal loving, rapist loving, left wing extremist political hacks want to ban gun. Like that is anything new. That is a night and day difference from your claim that the government wants to ban the citizen from owning weapons.Originally Posted by anabolicrhino
09-17-2006, 01:52 AM
You are correct for the most part. As i have pointed out, people gravitate toward conspiracy crap, b/c it gives them a false sense of self worth. It allows them to feel that they are superior than the rest of us. You see, we are the stupid ones. We believe in our system and trust in the work of our experts. They, on the other hand, are not like us idiots. They know better than the rest of us. It is a very addictive delusion. The delusion elevates their self esteem. It makes them feel like they are smart. It makes them feel that they are not just some Joe lunch bucket. lolOriginally Posted by CNorris
I can sympathize with their desire. Nobody is happy living a life of quite desperation. Conspiracy theories give them a venue to escape the painful reality they face in their lives. lol
Now, I want to clarify that, Jarhead is not part of the Motley crew of conspiracy lunatics. lol While he is stubborn, he is not crazy. lol
09-17-2006, 02:08 AM
Originally Posted by BioHazzard
Exactly, I have thought of and told those same exact thoughts to people like jarhead all over the net. Its nice to hear someone else repeat it and see it like me. See it like the obvious truth. I really really hate NWO PCTs if you cant tell. [Edit: PCTs stands for Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist /Edit] (important to clarify that abbreviation on this board
09-17-2006, 02:12 AM
yeap.. it is very important to get your post cycle therapy right! Whew!!
Another thing. Conspiracy theory enhances their self esteem b/c it gives them this 'member of a secret elite group' delusion. It allows them to pretend that they are part of very elite group of superior intellect. THEY know things that the rest of us idiots don't. It makes them feel better about their lousy lives.
09-17-2006, 02:44 AM
The guy who used Alex Jones as a piece of evidence has to be delusional. I made the mistake of going out with a chick who thought Alex Jones was the greatest man alive LOL. If you use Jones as a source you lose all credibility. He is just out tomake himself look good and blame everything on the government, NWO, Illuminati, sh!t he even blamed Arnold's lack of political savy on his AAS use LMAO.
09-17-2006, 07:17 AM
Ya know you might make a better argument if you said something other than anyone who doesn't think what you think is crazy. You know like, trying to actually debate or discredit one of the hundreds of points us crazies have brought up in these threads. You're harping on facts and science and yet you give none. Hell even Biohazzard can quote some sort of statistic or physics or bush propaganda to at least back what he says up. I doubt you've even read any of the threads, much less any of the sources that people are questioning 9/11 about, but then it's probably hard to read with your head buried so deep in sand. Oh and by the way, most of us stay away from quoting alex jones due to the fact that he's such an obvious target. But your right, questioning my government makes me the lowest form of life. (I think you also compared us to Nazis in another thread)Who cares if I'm a Marine, a father, a husband, a taxpayer who goes to work every day, according to you questioning my government makes me a scumbag.Originally Posted by CNorris
Another thing Oh superior one, the Pmech article that you quoted, was penned by the cousin of the director of homeland security. Truly an unbiased reputable source. No better than alex jones Why don't you slow down with the insults, and do some homework of your own.
09-17-2006, 07:29 AM
Originally Posted by BioHazzard
Ok, the truth is...we are low on pitchforks and torches where I live. Otherwise the whitehouse would be in trouble.
09-17-2006, 10:10 AM
At least those of us who are not afraid of giving up some rights temporarily in war time, have the guts to die for what we believe in.And you don't have to give up RIGHTS because they are just that. You have to give up luxuries and conveniences for safety and security but never freedoms or rights.Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
09-17-2006, 10:31 AM
No, I don't think the current administration of the governmet-as established on 01/20/2005 will take away anyones weapons...But usually after an extremely controversial polarizing group such as the Bush administration ends its term, a new reformist administration will take its place and in the name of peace will legislate some form of disarmerment in the name of peacful reform... I mean I hope not, but this is the pattern of things.Originally Posted by BioHazzard
09-17-2006, 10:40 AM
Guilty as charged your honor! I just didn't have the audacity to say it!(or post it) Thank you!Originally Posted by BioHazzard
Now that tryouts are over and all the players know their positions, lets play ball!
09-17-2006, 11:06 AM
A conspiracy is simply a plan that dictates that only certain people have knowledge to the actual working details. A conspiracy generally benifits the people who design its plan. Seceret plans have been around for ever, why would it be impossible for anyone who is "money motivated" not to be alligned with any plan that would bnng them bilions of dollars???Originally Posted by CNorris
The only thing that would prevent someone from taking part in the conspiracy would be personal integrity and a sense of public duty, which is what you would hope to find in our political leaders, but history tends to disprove any burden of these qualities. Motive and opportunity just needs the right plan to be successful. Just because you didn't think of it first doesn't make it impossible.
The key to a good conspiritorial effort is never tell anyone the truth and discredit all challengers by attacking not only their theories but their credibility though active character slander.
Another tool of the conspirators is to mix truth with lies reported from a faux third party that supposes itsell as part of the conspiracy or even part of the opposition. These are the tools of
the game. They obfuscate the general discussion and cause a polarizing effect which distracts from the actual task of uncovering the conspiracy. Many fine examples can be found in this thread.
09-17-2006, 01:35 PM
Alex Jones is but one source of questioning the discrepancies of 911. He cant be any worse then Bill Oreilly or the fox network.
Unlike many, I listen to all sides. I have listened to the mainstreams media, the made for TV shows, I have read the 911 Commission Report, The Fema report and many, many, many other sources.
There are problems in the official story. If a person has eyes, ears and the capacity to reason. It isnt hard to see.
Thank you for the insults. This is what gives you self worth. Not me. Good Day.
09-18-2006, 12:21 AM
Of course O'Reilly is going to have his biases but Jones blames the gov't for everything and does not have concrete proof. He would be a lot more appealing if he didn't try to be a preacher and just pour out blame left and right. I didn't mean to insult you I meant that your argument lost credibility with me because you used him as a source.Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS
09-18-2006, 09:43 AM
I tend to think Alex is a tad high strung as well. Regardless, he does have some, actually alot of truth to his ranting.
The Federal ID card. This is not something out of a sci fi movie. I would almost guarantee something like this in the next decade.
The fraternities of money. That goes without saying. They are there. Do what he states? Who knows?
Whether you love him or hate, He makes some very valid points on 911 discrepencies.
Like i said before, he is too hyper for me. I dont like the preacher approach either. But he offers another alternative source of information that is comparable to maintstream media(FOX). IMO of course.
09-18-2006, 09:47 AM
...his particular Texas-drawl just lends itself to that fire and brimstone type of preachin'...Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS
09-18-2006, 09:44 PM
Everyone knows that 9-11 was totally rigged!
It goes right along with.....Woodrow Wilson plotting the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.......
......Truman conspiring with the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor........
....oh by the way........the moon landing was fake and the holocaust never happened either!
(Hopefully everyone knows I'm being sarcastic!)
Here's some food for thought:
Conspiracy's based on this photo......idea's anyone?
Alright! Alright! Bush is behind everything! Now please stop!
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