911 We shall make them pay
- 09-12-2006, 02:58 AM
911 We shall make them pay
Borrowed from friends ...
Dedicated to those who were lost.
We are making the bastards pay.
To the enemies of the United States.... may your suffering be great and your lives short.
..."....The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain ...." The Gettysburg Address
November 19, 1863
The same words ring true today, as we remember our troops that have given their lives, defending our freedom......
- 09-12-2006, 03:06 AM
09-12-2006, 10:21 AM
I think I can in this instance, due to the fact that since they are dead, other peaceful people will live.Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
May they burn in hell.
09-12-2006, 11:37 AM
No, you're misunderstanding me here. I mean in the example of the above showing them dead. What we need now isn't more desensitising(don't feel like looking up the spelling) of death. You may not see it but I do. We also don't need to give those guys more fuel for their fire. Remember enraged we get when we believe our own to be killed/murdered/tortured.
I'm a former soldier and have loyalty to this country and my fellow man. But the bloodshed needs to stop at some point. Let's show the higher road on this one instead of getting down to their level. We are taught this as children and all through life. Why does it have to change now?
09-12-2006, 12:21 PM
yup, our media and politicians are as very much responsible for the horrible awful death suffered by nick berg for plastering pictures of the abu grahb prisoner abuse all over the world.Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
09-12-2006, 12:27 PM
Check out 911 revisted.com i believe it is then tell me what you think. I have NO doubt that the American government knew the attacks were going to happen. They have specialists in the video talking about how the planes wouldn't have destroyed the buildings, the buildings were designed to be able to withstand a plane that size crashing into them! Apparently it should have been like sticking a pencil through a screen door. Also certain "clean up" crews were sent in before anyone and the people that were hired to investigate what happened could only find 200 pieces of rubble left! Doesn't that WREAK of cover up to you guys? Check out the site and tell me what your think. All I know is what better way to get control of and manipulate the people that to instill fear in them with the threat of these "terrorist" attacks.
Oh and get this $40,000,000 was spent on the whole Bill Clinton scandal when he got sucked off, well guess what they only spent $600,000 investigating 911! I smell a rat.
09-12-2006, 12:28 PM
I'm telling your right now my fellow Canadians and your fellow Americans are over seas dying for no good reason.
09-12-2006, 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by CHAPS
This will open a whole can of worms here, as it has any other time this subject gets touched on. There are such obvious things that merit questioning, yet alot of people will claim doing so is unpatriotic. They'll say this expert says this, this one says that, but ignore common sense things-like the MANY documented warnings of the attacks from various agencies/countries. Or the fact that the government indeed has a plan to stage terrorist attacks to bring us into war, and have had it since the cuban missile crisis. It is in the national archives for crying out loud. But anyone questioning anything will be a kook, moonbat, conspiracy nut etc. Oh, and expect alot of insults from biohazzard.
09-12-2006, 12:54 PM
For anyone who thinks that the government would never allow such a thing to happen to it's people, look up Operation Northwoods in any search engine. Here is an excerpt:
A. Incidents to establish a credible attack:
(1) Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio
(2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform “over-the-fence” to stage attack on base.
(3) Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.
(4) Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).
(5) Blow up ammunition inside the base: start fires.
(6) Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).
(7) Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base.
(8) Capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.
(9) Capture militia group which storms base.
(10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires – naphthalene.
(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims.
A “Remember the Maine” incident could be arranged: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.
09-12-2006, 12:58 PM
09-12-2006, 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
I couldn't believe some of the stuff in there. I understand that a government at times has to make decisions that aren't going to be popular, but are for the good of the nation...but some of this is disturbing. Such as (a bit lengthy, but worth it):
6. Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide
additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on
surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft
by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions.
An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they
saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were
to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion
appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modify-
ing an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could
be purchased from US resources in about three months.
7. Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft
should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the
government of Cuba. Concurrently, genuine defections of Cuban
civil and military air and surface craft should be encouraged.
8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate
convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down
a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to
Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would
be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba.
The passengers could be a group of college students off on a
holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to
support chartering a non-scheduled flight.
a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and
numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered
aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the
Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be
subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be
loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under
carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered
aircraft would be converted to a drone.
b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual
aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of
Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying
aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly
into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will
have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the
aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft
meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When
over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the inter-
national distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he
is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission
will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will
be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio
stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what
has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to
"sell" the incident.
9. It is possible to create an incident which will make it
appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft
over international waters in an unprovoked attack.
a. Approximately 4 of 5 F-101 aircraft will be dispatched
in trail from Homestead AFB, Florida, to the vicinity of Cuba.
Their mission will be to reverse course and simulate fakir
aircraft for an air defense exercise in southern Florida.
These aircraft would conduct variations of these flights at
frequent intervals. Crews would be briefed to remain at
least 12 miles off the Cuban coast; however, they would be
required to carry live ammunition in the event that hostile
actions were taken by the Cuban MIGs.
b. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly
tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft.
While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that
he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other
calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly
west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an
Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper
people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The
pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would
resume his proper identity and return to his normal place
of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have
c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was
presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft
would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately
15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots
retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as
they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched
and parts of aircraft found.
09-12-2006, 01:06 PM
It wasn't my place to say anything before but now that we have guys over their dying it is. Watch the video i'm talkin about and they talk about how cement stair cases n such were reduced to powder which WOULDN"T have happened without the use of explosives. Just like the main steel structure of the buildings was designed to be able to be exposed to 2000 degrees for 6 hours before melting but it melted, and even with all the Jet fuel from the planes the heat would have only been 1700 degrees. I just hope that everything comes out about what ACTUALLY happened that day.
Last edited by CHAPS; 09-12-2006 at 01:24 PM.
09-12-2006, 01:06 PM
09-12-2006, 01:13 PM
Forgetting the numbers, heat, physics, etc.-- the problem I have with the pancake theory is the fact that one of the towers was hit pretty close to the top. Just by looking at it, it does not appear to be enough weight, even if it did collapse to that point from heat, to bring down the remaining 90% of the tower at free fall speed. I saw a program on hbo ( I forget the name) but it had footage spanning the tower from base to point of impact. The first thing that popped into my head was that there is alot more building left below impact than you generallly see in the collapse footage.Originally Posted by CHAPS
09-12-2006, 01:27 PM
Also people report seeing explosions coming from the bottom of the building when the planes hit and you can see gusts of smoke shooting out. And the building fell too controlled, they fell in their own footprint perfectly. And the steel was blown into 30 foot length and removed by a company called controlled demolition!
09-12-2006, 01:36 PM
Here's a site you might find interesting. It's pretty in depth, and I don't know the authors credentials, but some interesting points are made.Originally Posted by CHAPS
EXPLOSIVES PUT IN WTC CONCRETE WHEN CONSTRUCTED-2
09-12-2006, 01:41 PM
09-12-2006, 07:30 PM
09-12-2006, 07:33 PM
Stop hijacking thread with your conspiracy crap!
Start your own thread and fill it with all the conspiracy garbage!
This thread is about those who perished, not about what some braindead nutjobs thought happened.
WTF, let me start your conspiracy crap thread for ya!
09-12-2006, 07:39 PM
You dont have clue, do you. Its not a theory, its a probability. Thats if you mushrooms would come out of the **** and take a look around.Originally Posted by BioHazzard
09-12-2006, 08:45 PM
09-12-2006, 08:56 PM
yeah i posted to it.
Man this is a touchy subject.
There are many intelligent members on this board, the evidence is there, but many will not believe. It is totally understandable. Who would want to believe there own government was either, a.)a bunch of bafoons or b.) had prior knowledge and/or involvement in the events surrounding 911...
Its multiple choice.
Hint, our government officials and defense are not a bunch of bafoons.
All hidden behind pariotism. Damn they are smart. And good.
However, more and more people are waking up. Thank goodness.
I just seen an MSNBC that stated 60% of the voters in the poll believed the government had involvement in 911..... nice
09-12-2006, 08:59 PM
Maybe not but it sure as hell isn't some smooth operating machinery. You do realize that it's hard enough for communication to keep up within their own offices?Hint, our government is not a bunch of bafoons.
09-12-2006, 09:07 PM
09-12-2006, 10:28 PM
Those people aren't engineers or physics majors.
Come on man.
Anyone can start an internet site.
09-13-2006, 01:04 AM
09-13-2006, 01:14 AM
I also listen to Coasttocoastam.com and there's scientiest on there too that have proof there's aliens, shadow people and radio frequencies controlling our thoughts.
However, regardless if I agree with any of this or don't. I think having people out there willing to question these things is good over all. Can you imagine what it would be like if business, gov't etc knew no one would care enough to question anything?
09-13-2006, 01:18 AM
Ya i agree, and the first thing that got me thinking about something being up with 911 is how unwilling the president and others in the government were to assist in the investigation of what happened. I know one thing we can all agree on is that Bush has to go!
09-13-2006, 01:21 AM
Art Bell (or George Noory ) rocks!Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
Good point. Whether or not any of us agree, free thinking is what makes this country unique.
09-13-2006, 01:29 AM
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