Know what's kind of funny...

[BigVrunga]

How President Bush stresses that human life is so precious, so he vetos government funding of stem cell research. While at the same time, he sends thousands of young men and women into a war which has resulted in thousands of civilian casualties.

It's an odd duplicity, isnt it?

I'm not trying to start an argument about the war in Iraq - we have enough of those - but it's just wierd how he thinks. Perhaps his veto of the stem cell bill had something to do with his large percentage of right-wing religious supporters.

BV

[jmh80]

What is his deal w/ stem cell research?? You seemed to implicate Christians in his veto of it.
Is there some Bible passage outlawing it?

I've not heard any explicit reason why he vetoed it - merely discussion that it was his first veto...

[kwyckemynd00]

He didn't veto stem cell research. He vetoed GOVERNMENT FUNDED stem cell research. It is still entirely legal to perform the research through private funds.

And to answer JMH, for some reason the christians have made dead fetus' into a "life" issue. I have no clue how that has come to be. And his first veto had everything to do with his religious base (and personal beliefs) if I had to guess. I don't know how he could spin it otherwise.

[BigVrunga]

He didn't veto stem cell research. He vetoed GOVERNMENT FUNDED stem cell research. It is still entirely legal to perform the research through private funds.

And to answer JMH, for some reason the christians have made dead fetus' into a "life" issue. I have no clue how that has come to be. And his first veto had everything to do with his religious base (and personal beliefs) if I had to guess. I don't know how he could spin it otherwise.

Right - it doesnt spend the end for stem cell research by any means. But it kind of sends a message that the US government does not approve.

What is his deal w/ stem cell research?? You seemed to implicate Christians in his veto of it.
Is there some Bible passage outlawing it?

I've not heard any explicit reason why he vetoed it - merely discussion that it was his first veto...

Lol no. no bible passage outlawing it. Pretty much what kwyck said...

[kwyckemynd00]

Well, IMO, I think its better that government doesn't have its grubby little mits on stem cell research.

I see the parties as two stupid dogs. The issues at hand are like a rope toy. When a good rope toy is thrown to our two stupid dogs they'll try so hard to get it away from each other they'll destroy before it can ever be played with. So, IMO, we should keep the rope toy away from the two stupid dogs.

[BigVrunga]

Good analogy, and probably true. Still though, government funding would mean a lot more scientists doing work in that area, and I think have more pros than cons.

[Jayhawkk]

With the **** the gov't funds and wastes money on this was a rediculous move...

I'm still in a lot of pain and drugged up at the moment. I'm gonna come back to this thread when I have the ability of restraint.

[kwyckemynd00]

Good analogy, and probably true. Still though, government funding would mean a lot more scientists doing work in that area, and I think have more pros than cons.

Not necessarily.Every dime that goes to the government comes out of the private sector. Theoretically if they'd chill on taxes and STFU about anything science related we'd be sitting pretty in the world of research

[BioHazzard]

The majority of the funding goes to research institutions like university labs. The research institutes are our greatest national assets.

Federal funding would have made tax payers funded research grants available for scientists at university hospitals, institutes and labs.

Vetoing the legislation is playing to a specific group of hardcore Christian conservative constituents, at the expense of medical advancement.

The explaination given is ridiculous. IF the concern is to protect the fertilized eggs in the fetility labs, then write the damn bill to exclude that. We can still fund research that use donated eggs and sperms, specifically harvested for the research purpose.

There are a bunch of whackos who think that life begins at conception and by their logic, if you flush a dish of eggs and sperms you have mixed together, then you are committing murder.

[CHAPS]

Don't get me started on Bush, and now our Prime Minister here in Canada is his littly lacky.

[AGELESS]

He didn't veto stem cell research. He vetoed GOVERNMENT FUNDED stem cell research. It is still entirely legal to perform the research through private funds.

And to answer JMH, for some reason the christians have made dead fetus' into a "life" issue. I have no clue how that has come to be. And his first veto had everything to do with his religious base (and personal beliefs) if I had to guess. I don't know how he could spin it otherwise.

Kwyck - Government funding (right on) Let the drug companies and investors put up the money - not the taxpayers.

If taxpayers put up the money for the research, will the drug companies give us a discount on the new cures and drugs?? Have you bought any drugs lately? They are making a killing on us.

Yes I have health insurance, they just raised my premium to $900 a month with a $5,000 deductible.

All the money goes to health care somehow.

And we want to give the drug companies millions of our tax dollars ??

I know I'm rambling - I just wish I could put all my thoughts on paper like you Kwyck.

PS - Follow the money!!

[Jayhawkk]

I pay 400 a month that is subsidized by my dept by an additional 600 a month and I still have about 2k in doc bills right now.

[BigVrunga]

-----------------------------------------------------------------Don't get me started on Bush, and now our Prime Minister here in Canada is his littly lacky.

That does seem to be the case now...

Kwyck - Government funding (right on) Let the drug companies and investors put up the money - not the taxpayers.

If taxpayers put up the money for the research, will the drug companies give us a discount on the new cures and drugs?? Have you bought any drugs lately? They are making a killing on us.

Yes I have health insurance, they just raised my premium to $900 a month with a $5,000 deductible.

All the money goes to health care somehow.

And we want to give the drug companies millions of our tax dollars ??

I know I'm rambling - I just wish I could put all my thoughts on paper like you Kwyck.

PS - Follow the money!!

The health care situation in this country is a freakin' mess of legenday proportions. Now we have 'surgery vacations' where people are booking trips to India to get important surgeries performed at a fraction of what it costs over here.

Big Pharma has too much money and influence over washington to be dealt with the way it should be though...my god every time I turn on the TV there's a new drug Im supposed to ask my doctor about. A lot of these prescription meds have more nasty side effects than most rec drugs for christ's sake! And most are treatments for an unhealthy lifestyle and poor life habits, its really sad.

[Jayhawkk]

I think rx drugs should be treated like cigs...No advertising.

[Jayhawkk]

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[BigVrunga]

Poor dude, you can see how his condition has worsened. Well stated message too...it would be a huge step in human development if we could find cures for these numerous, and horrible, genetic afflictions.

BV

[MaynardMeek]

ITs actually a pretty good thing that government stays the hell out of it. Sometimes the less the government has invested, the better the outcome.

Bush used his veto because of the "potential of life". Hence all those lil rug rats hanging around his legs to make a point. The troops off to war are by choice of the solder. You sign the dotted line knowing that one day, you will fight. He and a large majority of conservatives see it as .. lets give them a chance to live.

I for one, know the soul doesn't fully enter the body til the second year of age and the dissconnection with "heaven" starts to occure.... aka.. terrible twos

[BigVrunga]

LOL you've got kids Maynard?

[MaynardMeek]

not that i know about lol

[Jayhawkk]

I'm pretty sure that my neighbor's kid, who is 12, has yet to receive his soul. I think his got lost in the mail.