Great Video on 9/11

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  1. Great Video on 9/11


    Hey i searched for this and didnt find nething so i hope im not repeating anything here. I just viwed a video about 9/11 the other day which kind of makes me sick in a way. I dont know if i beleive everything in this video but it deffinetly makes u think. I watched part of it with aan ex-marine and even he said this was good ****. Its called "Loose Change" you can see it by going to Google and search "Loose Change video" it will be the 1st link that shows up. click on it and enjoy the hour long video. You wont be dissapointed


  2. Yay, this again.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by PastorofMuppets
    Yay, this again.
    yea sorry if this is a re-post of anything i searched for a while and didnt find nething sorry, if it is.....

  4. the movie sucked anyways

  5. Im no conspiracy expert but from the 30 mins i did watch it makes me wonder, guess we'll never really know.
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  6. Holy crap, what a video.
    Man, I'm not going to sleep tonight with my frigign anxiety.
    Ironic, I was making fun a friend, calling him a hippie because he thought emails are censored because his friend doesnt get some of his political emials some times...

  7. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but that's a damn good video. I'll have to do counter research to see what I can come up with, but this video is pretty good....

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    I'm no conspiracy theorist, but that's a damn good video. I'll have to do counter research to see what I can come up with, but this video is pretty good....
    yea me either when i first heard of the "conspiracy theroy" I said "whatever the gov. wouldn't do alllll that, would they?" Now im signing a little different toon.

  9. Wow you guys are weak minded if you believe that.

  10. What happened to the conspiarcy that we blew it up ourselves via explosives at all the bearing type structures at the base?

    Come on people, do you believe we never landed on the moon either?

    Here's another conspiracy theory. This morning I had to take a nasty dump at 7am. It just so happened I had rumblings in my stomach at 6:45am. These rumblings could have been brought on by the Hot sauce I had on my eggs this morning at 6am. Why did I have this breakfast? Because it's in my diet plan set up by my Trainer weeks ago. Dammit, that painful crap was all a setup by my Trainer.

  11. At the very least it brings up and points out some extremely interesting things.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bbuild
    Wow you guys are weak minded if you believe that.
    weak minded????????? You mean open minded. No ones saying that the gov. are resonsible for it 100%. Just opens some interesting doors.

  13. Yeah, I normally just laugh at people who say the gov't may have had ANYTHING to do with 9/11 and call them idiots.

    But, this guy makes some interesting points. You say we're weak minded, I say you've got **** for background or understanding of physics and chemistry. If element X has a melting point of Y, it makes no exceptions. The fact that all three buildings fell in similar fashion, at slightly slower accelaration than earth's gravitational pull is odd as hell.

    Maybe you just didn't watch the video? lol.

    I'm not convinced our gov't did anything, but they should definitely answer some questions.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Viperspit
    What happened to the conspiarcy that we blew it up ourselves via explosives at all the bearing type structures at the base?
    You must not have watched the video either. They addressed this. The bottom floors did blow up around time of impact. They blamed it on a fireball moving through the elevator shaft. But, fire needs oxygen to rage. The elevator shafts are AIR TIGHT and there were multiple explosions reported on multiple floors by the NYFD!

    Too much stuff to list, watch the video!

  15. What do you think is this persons motivation for creating this video?

  16. Does anybody think that the plane that was suppose to hit the pentagon just had feds dressed up as college boys like the gutanomon mon bay thing?

  17. I think anyone in life should question everything, why take things that are shovelled to you cause the masses do. In life we strive for individuality, respect, and success, none of these things are possible without making your own decisions, surveying the possibilities and lastly thinking things through. From a logical perspective this makes alot of sense from a theoretical perspective i am scared of the implications on our futures.

  18. I watched it, must have missed that part or was surfing for porn at the same time which had my interest

    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    You must not have watched the video either. They addressed this. The bottom floors did blow up around time of impact. They blamed it on a fireball moving through the elevator shaft. But, fire needs oxygen to rage. The elevator shafts are AIR TIGHT and there were multiple explosions reported on multiple floors by the NYFD!

    Too much stuff to list, watch the video!

  19. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Too much stuff to list, watch the video!
    Yeah, it's just crammed with evidence that something rotten had happened. I might actually watch this again tomorrow, it was bloody interesting.

  20. While it did present many strange things that really made me wonder, a lot of things they said kind of bothered me. Its been a while since i watched it, but here are few things:

    1) The "explosions" that occurred while the buildings fell. OK, ever notice when you close a door in your house/apartment the blinks will move if the windows are open? Thatís because the air being displace has to move somewhere. No different in this scenario, you have tons of rooms collapsing with the volume diminishing, the air has to go somewhere and creates an area of high pressure, thatís why you see some of the windows blowing out as the air escapes. This seems extremely obvious to me.

    The other problem I have with this is that if there really were other explosives used, "they" couldnít just place some c4 or whatever next the supports and blow them without it being very obvious. Normally shaped charges are carefully placed (after weeks of demolition before-hand to expose the supporting beams) and then wrapped with thick rubber sheets and then wrapped with chain link fence to contain the blast to some degree. With this method you still see lots of debris exiting the building and itís obvious that an explosion occurred. I would imagine if you werenít using shaped charges you would have to use an extremely large explosion to knock out the supporting beams, as the energy from the blast isnít directed in one spot like the shaped charge, this would be very obvious from outside the building.

    As far as the explosions people heard before the fall, well, my explanation would be the fire extinguishers bursting from the heat over pressurizing the tanks, or something along these line. For most, all people know is what they have seen and heard in movies. Cars donít explode when they are on fire, the tires burst form over pressurization, but the tanks donít ďdetonateĒ like you see on TV 50 times a day. People were saying they heard the sound of a rocket hitting the pentagonÖOk, so all these people have been near rocket firings to know the difference between a jet crashing into a building and a rocket crashing into a building? Iím not saying Iím an expert, but I do have some experience with this stuff as I worked for my uncle who blasts for a living, and I build large solid fueled composite rocket engines as a hobby (I possess a low explosives users permit). Iím just saying that because people said they heard explosions, doesnít mean there was ďexplosivesĒ exploding, all kinds of crazy things can happen when a jet crashes into a building and creates an intense fire. As side note but kind of related, my friends thought tom cruz actually flew the F14ís in Top Gun lol, the general population doesnít know much.

    2) Again I should probably watch the video again as Iím just going from memory, but I was also bothered about fire temps and material failure. Just because the fire maybe wasnít hot enough to melt the material DOES NOT MEAN it couldnít fail anyways. It just needs to be heated to where its strength is compromised, and the fire was plenty hot to do this.

    I actually have some other things that bother me, but I donít feel like typing it out haha. Just some thoughts to consider with everything else. Like I said, there are some other strange things I cant explain.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Frank N Steroid
    What do you think is this persons motivation for creating this video?
    A conspiracy theorist freak who just ended up stumbling across some good facts, or somebody who knew quite a bit about physics/engineering/etc and knew things didn't add up. the average person who doesn't weara tinfoil hat and who doesn't have a good education in these areas would probably just do what i did...believe every word of what I was told on tv regarding the issue

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Viperspit
    What happened to the conspiarcy that we blew it up ourselves via explosives at all the bearing type structures at the base?

    Come on people, do you believe we never landed on the moon either?

    Here's another conspiracy theory. This morning I had to take a nasty dump at 7am. It just so happened I had rumblings in my stomach at 6:45am. These rumblings could have been brought on by the Hot sauce I had on my eggs this morning at 6am. Why did I have this breakfast? Because it's in my diet plan set up by my Trainer weeks ago. Dammit, that painful crap was all a setup by my Trainer.

    Is this a government employed trainer, Viper? If so, check your supplements for tracking devices. He got you with the "Insta-dump" eggs.... he'll try to proceed further....

    (joking)

  23. There was another thread on here about this video, so I don't want to get into that again BUT...for those of you who think our government would never hurt or allow it's own people to be hurt intentionally for a political agenda such as getting us into a war, read this Operation Northwoods: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba, 3/13/62

    This is just a random link I grabbed on the subject. If you look further into Operation Northwoods, it is pretty eye opening.

    Here's a few interesting excerpts from the declassified GOVERNMENT document available at the national security archives:

    A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned
    to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine
    appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

    a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in
    chronilogical order):

    (1) Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.

    (2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence"
    to stage attack on the base.

    (3) Capture Cuban (friendly) sabateurs inside the
    base.

    (4) Start riots near the entrance to the base (friendly
    Cubans).

    (5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.

    (6) Burn aircraft on airbase (sabatage).

    (7) Lob morter shells from outside of base into base.
    Some damage to installations.

    (8) Capture assault teams approaching from the sea
    of vicinity of Guantanamo City.

    (9) Capture militia group which storms the base.

    (10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene.

    (11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals
    for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).

    b. United States would respond by executing offensive
    operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying
    artillery and mortar emplacements which threaten the base.

    c. Commence large scale United States military operations.

  24. some more excerpts:

    a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and
    blame Cuba.

    4. We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in
    the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington.
    The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking
    haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans
    enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts
    on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the
    extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized.
    Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the
    arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents
    substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in
    projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

    7. Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft
    should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the
    government of Cuba. Concurrently, genuine defections of Cuban
    civil and military air and surface craft should be encouraged.

    8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate
    convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down
    a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to
    Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would
    be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba.
    The passengers could be a group of college students off on a
    holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to
    support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

    a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and
    numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered
    aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the
    Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be
    subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be
    loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under
    carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered
    aircraft would be converted to a drone.

  25. yada yada and nero burned down rome to build his palace.... there are too many people in the media that hate republicans and this own country to not report anything fishy that happened... if this was a real logical theory they would jump on it in a heart beat... or.. they are all in on it too!

    i am a bit shocked you leftists aren't talking about how Rove killed ken lay so he wouldn't have to spend time in jail or be pardoned by bush...

  26. Here's links to this topic previously: 9/11 documentary

    Last I heard, the video was pretty much debunked...

    The Pentagon No-757-Crash Booby Trap

    LOOSE CHANGE

    Loose Change 2nd Edition Viewer Guide

  27. Quote Originally Posted by MaynardMeek
    yada yada and nero burned down rome to build his palace.... there are too many people in the media that hate republicans and this own country to not report anything fishy that happened... if this was a real logical theory they would jump on it in a heart beat... or.. they are all in on it too!

    i am a bit shocked you leftists aren't talking about how Rove killed ken lay so he wouldn't have to spend time in jail or be pardoned by bush...
    The media didn't report the documents I linked. Those are from your government. It has nothing to do with hating republicans or democrats, but shows what your government is willing to do for political gain.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by MaynardMeek
    yada yada and nero burned down rome to build his palace.... there are too many people in the media that hate republicans and this own country to not report anything fishy that happened... if this was a real logical theory they would jump on it in a heart beat... or.. they are all in on it too!

    i am a bit shocked you leftists aren't talking about how Rove killed ken lay so he wouldn't have to spend time in jail or be pardoned by bush...


    It wasn't Rove. It was Evil Darth Cheney!!

  29. I just finished watching the "2nd edition" of loose change and just opens my eyes a little more. Man i dont want to beleive all this crap but the evidence just makes it hard not too. This is bull $hit, im moving to some place like england or brazil......lol

  30. Wouldn't such an operation require some couple hundred people to pull off ? Wouldn't that be a hard secret to keep ?
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