Officer refuses to go to Iraq

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mywetnightmares
    I'm not sure how he got his commission, but it wasn't through ROTC and it wasn't from West Point. He didn't even get his commission until after the war started. You almost have to question his motives when it comes to joining after the war started and being in control of a Stryker brigade which pretty much assures that you're gonna go to war. His commitment was only for three years, his commitment is done in December. He volunteered for this and he knows exactly what he was getting into, with circumstances like that you almost have to wonder if he joined for the sole purpose of doing this.
    He went through OCS? OCS is the hardest way in the Army to become an officer. If that's how he got his commission, I am extremely surprised that he is doing this now. (I'm assuming OCS, because direct commissions in non-specialty branches are extremely rare and I don't think we're doing battlefield commissions in this war.)

    At least my tax dollars didn't pay for his education though.

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  2. Quote Originally Posted by mywetnightmares
    I'm not sure how he got his commission, but it wasn't through ROTC and it wasn't from West Point. He didn't even get his commission until after the war started. You almost have to question his motives when it comes to joining after the war started and being in control of a Stryker brigade which pretty much assures that you're gonna go to war. His commitment was only for three years, his commitment is done in December. He volunteered for this and he knows exactly what he was getting into, with circumstances like that you almost have to wonder if he joined for the sole purpose of doing this.
    That and the way he is going about this, as in making lots of noise about the political side of it....

    He does not look like his is under a lot of stress or pressure neither. He looks pretty happy about the stink he is causing.

    Army officer refuses to deploy to Iraq on Yahoo! News Photos

    Before you know it, the sleaze ball will be running for Congress in some bleeding heart district. This charade seems like a campaign stunt. He is not new to politics. His father is the head of the Campaign Spending commission in Haiwaii.

    If he is actually willing to bear the consequences as he proclaimed, he would not be rallying the bleeding hearts as shown in the photos. Hypocrite. He is putting on a dog and pony show.

  3. Everyone wants their 15 minutes. If he has an agenda then he needs to suffer max. consequences under melingering among as many other UCMJ infractions as possible.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
    Everyone wants their 15 minutes. If he has an agenda then he needs to suffer max. consequences under melingering among as many other UCMJ infractions as possible.
    agreed. if there are ulterior motives that he's not speaking of, then feed him to the wolves. hell, just for not going when he's supposed to go, max him out. i'm just saying that i don't believe this issue is so night and day, right and wrong. this won't be the last one to do this.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    this won't be the last one to do this.
    Probably not, but I would like to point out that almost all of the of soldiers and marines that I have spoken to who have served in Iraq (and it's been quite a few) are very supportive of both the war and of the president. That's all I am going to say about that because I do not want the thread to diverge from the main topic.

    I get the feeling that this guy is out to make a political statement. He gets commissioned after the war starts, into a unit that virtually guarantees combat, and then acts like this, all smiling and easy about it? Doesn't smell right.

    I also don't like seeing him wearing the uniform. I know he can, but I just don't like it.

  6. Beelze (or anyone else who has served),

    I would like to ask your perspective on something. This guy was an officer, a leader. He trained with his men. He led them. Now he's making a spectacle of himself. Regardless of how he feels personally about the war, is he not acting selfishly by allowing his guys to go into a combat zone, while he stays home acting like this?

    My perspective is a little different, because I went through ROTC (had to leave for personal reasons, as I switched to being a part time student for a while, and as I was not on scholarship, they let me out), but as someone who has had officer training, to me what he is doing seems almost like a betrayal of his guys.

  7. I don't think that this lieutenant knows how much trouble he could be in.

    First, he stated, "It is the duty, the obligation of every soldier, and specifically the officers, to evaluate the legality, the truth behind every order including the order to go to war." This is wrong It is not the duty of every soldier to evaluate the legality of every order. It is the duty of every soldier is to follow all LAWFUL orders.

    It sounds as if he has been planning this. If it can be proven that he is doing this to encourage other soldiers to do this, he would be guilty of formenting a mutiny - a capital offense. This is Article 94 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice:

    ART. 94. MUTINY OR SEDITION
    (a) Any person subject to this chapter who--

    (1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;

    (2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;

    (3) fails to do his utmost to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition being committed in his presence, or fails to take all reasonable means to inform his superior commissioned officer or commanding officer of a mutiny or sedition which he knows or has reason to believe is taking place, is guilty of a failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition.

    (b) A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court- martial may direct.



    Smells funny to me. In my mind either the Army gave a commission to an idiot not aware of current events or he planned this all along.

  8. here some info that goes a little deeper into the motive behind all of this.


    Hawaii Reporter: Hawaii Reporter

    Hawaii Reporter: Hawaii Reporter


    Update: Here is some registration information concerning the proprietor of the Watada support website...

    Domain ID123530763-LROR
    Domain Name:THANKYOULT.ORG
    Created On:31-May-2006 1832 UTC
    Last Updated On:31-May-2006 18:30:39 UTC
    Expiration Date:31-May-2007 1832 UTC
    Sponsoring Registrar:Nettuner Corp. dba Webmasters.com (R1310-LROR)
    Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
    Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
    Registrant ID:WM06053189dd
    Registrant Name:Jeff Paterson
    Registrant Organization:Not in Our Name

  9. I hope they charge him under Art. 94 and make an example of him.
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