Military on the borders-is Bush full of sh*t?
- 05-16-2006, 03:26 AM
Military on the borders-is Bush full of sh*t?
Alright, I voted for Bush twice but so far this year I have been pretty angry with him. When I heard about the NG on the border I was initially pleased, but now that I hear the details I am more skeptical. The President is sending in the military but insists that we are not "militarizing" our border.
Did I miss something here?
Then the President calls for a guest worker program. It's not enough to ship workers overseas, but we ship workers IN at the same time?
Mr Bush says that all people deserve dignity regardless of their citizenship papers. That may be true, but they can be just as dignified in their own damn country.
The President calls up Mexican President Vicente Fox and gives him the scoop before talking to his own citizens, and then has the nerve to tell America that Fox is our "friend".
So what do you think, is Bush serious about border security or just making a half-assed attempt to placate his base? So far I think it is the latter.
- 05-16-2006, 01:00 PM
There is no political figure that is serious about our border with mexico. The real goal is to have mexico and the US become one, and i wouldn't be shocked if meixco will eventually be like puerto rico within the next 20 years... not a state but apart of us.
The real trick on keep borders safe is down in mexico.. the mexican borders to the south are highly protected by military, american and mexican. They shoot to kill there... its not a happy place to be.
The National guard will only really be down for 3 weeks so i have heard.. but that has to be wrong... i think it will be a 3 week duty shift not 3 weeks for the whole project.
05-16-2006, 01:45 PM
It's mostly just lip service and I doubt anything substantial will come of it. A few video soundbites of some NG walking around ont he border...maybe showing them arresting a few people..then they'll recall them and that will be it.
Maynard is right, there is no one with any serious political clout that will do anything about the border.
As it stands, I carry a pistol when doing survey work down there..in fact I am going down south of Tucson in a few hours. You'd think a US citizen would be somewhat safe in his own desert.
05-16-2006, 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by bioman
I agree probably nothing substatial will come of it.
Regan basically said the same thing as Bush and nothing was done.
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05-16-2006, 03:12 PM
I can tell that since Bush went into office, the level of Border Patrol initially went down, then up for awhile due to all the security hype and now it seems to waning again. Several of the highway check points are now permanently closed.
I honestly don't think militarizing the border or building the Great Wall of Texas will do any good. For one, it's too expensive and secondly, it'd be more effecient to cut off the reasons they are coming here. Crack down hard on those who employ illegals..and I mean damned hard and the jobs will dry up. Couple this with a total suspension of benefits and you take away the two promary reason for illegals streaming in.
05-16-2006, 03:26 PM
I will be right there with you, just as soon as you manage to get Kennedy, Feinstein, Howard Dean, Pelosi, etc to sponsor such actions.Originally Posted by bioman
The GOP would like to do all those things, but the Democrates would like the GOP to do all those things EVEN BETTER. The Democrates already glamouring to play the Hispanic race card over this illegal immigration issues. The Democrates do not care about protecting America. They just want power. They would love the GOP to crack down hard on illegals, so they can get the Hispanic votes. They love to legalize all those illegals and have them vote the Dem into power.
Long live the Dems! They are the true protectors of America! Remember to vote for Dems! So that they can bring in more illegals. Oh wait, there wouldn't be any illegals, as all of them will be eligible for welfare, medical care, housing, education and all other benefits that will be paid for from the deduction on your paycheck. Yeah! lets vote Democrates into office!!! Wise choice!!
05-16-2006, 03:36 PM
You hear people blaming Bush and the GOP and demanding that they do the right things. What you don't hear is people demanding that the opposition get on the right side of the issues and support the protection of the country. Kennedy is out there kissing illegal asses publicly. (well, the Kennedy's have a a thing for the posterior, among other things, but that is another topic). Where are the Democrates on this illegal problems? Everybody whines about the problem, but I don't see any Democrates or lefties demanding their leadership to get on the right side of the issue. Why is that? Are the Dem so hungry for power that they would sell out America just to get elected? (seems like a rhetorical question, judging by the evidence....) A couple of terms came to mind... hypocrites and traitors.....
05-16-2006, 03:38 PM
Yes the democratic party needs the poor and the week and the unfair treated to stay in exsistance.. this is a wonderful way to insure at least another 20 years of some sort of power...
The only good republicans on this deal are the house republicans... you take a trip of the hill and everyone becomes this horrid beings. The Republican "deal" is the most open border policy i could have ever dreamed of... its horrible.. if you want to keep the United States as 50... if you would like to eventually have mexico as the 51st or in some way, apart of the Union.. its wonderful
05-16-2006, 07:05 PM
Bio, both the dems and the gop have bills on the table, neither go far enough. One bill propoasal fines employers for hiring illegals and the other allows illegals to pay $1000(I think) and then begin the process of legalizing. The gop is no better than the dems in this issue. Neither of these bills penalize the illegals. The fact is the president should lead the way on this issue but there really is no bigger hippocrite then him. Its all a big joke. He won't do anything until blood is shed.
05-16-2006, 07:08 PM
The dems dont have anything on the table.. they are sitting back and watching.. do not misunderstand the situation.. the democratic party has nothing to offer here... they will just trash it left to right
05-16-2006, 08:26 PM
I don't think anyone is going to be too eager to make that happen. While Mexico is a land rich with natural resources, it is also one big cluster fluck. We inherit Mexico, we inherit Mexico's problems. 50 years ago this could have been a real possibility, but right now it is too cost prohibitive. Americanizing Mexico would be harder than many realize. Come hangout with me in Cali and see what I meanOriginally Posted by MaynardMeek
05-16-2006, 08:49 PM
We already have mexico's problems lol But i understand your point.. i do not forsee mexico as a state.. i do see it being annexed.. but again.. its just the natural progression of things.
05-16-2006, 09:52 PM
Maynard, I was wrong about the senate, but there are a couple of bills proposed in the house by Jackson-Lee. Theyr'e not great but its a start. I was just trying to say that the gop senates bills are no better than the dems. Just look at the Kennedy-McCain bill. The Hagel-Martinez bill could be ok but it still does not enforce penalties.
05-16-2006, 10:12 PM
The democrats need to embrace something... they really should take a look at some of these smaller house bills which are actually more pro american than this horrid bill the republicans are trying to pass.
05-17-2006, 07:14 AM
i'm hoping the next elections wills see a good number of incumbents getting booted out. There needs to be a house cleaning of both reps and dems and hopefully get some moderates in there.
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