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  1. Oh no not again....




  2. Was going to happen eventualy
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  3. OMG.. we can't actually thinking about this when we are taxing the Armed Forces to the limit right now.. How unstable do we want the the Middle East in the next decade or longer. why in the hell does this seem to feel like the present administation is try to make sure that the "end times" are now...

  4. Well, our leader is a fundamentalist zealot - perhaps he is trying to make the book of revalation a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Did you see in that article they're discussing the use of tactical nukes? This is really disturbing. Iran's government may be composed of Islamic fundamentalists, but a lot of the younger people over there are very open-minded and even pro-american.

    Bombing their country probably isnt the best idea, a lot of innocent people will die.

    BV

  5. Color me ignorant, I am on this, Why are the Iranians spoiling for a fight? Why do they believe it's in their interest to guarantee that a
    miltary far more powerful than they are will be after them if they continue on this path?

    The Iranians did a poor job against the Iraqis in their war, are they insane enough to think they can seriously challenge the US if they really, really anger us?

    Like I said, I'm ignorant, WTF is going on here?
    Maybe they've got an ace up their sleeve...
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  6. I remember when Sadam was trying to develop nukes and the Israeli air force bombed the hell out Iraq's nuclear facilities because they felt it threatened their national security how much more threatened would they feel if radical anti-jew Iran were developing nukes, if they attacked Iran the backlash from the arab/muslim world would be crazy the international community better step up efforts to difuse this situation or it has the potential to get real ugly imo

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    I remember when Sadam was trying to develop nukes and the Israeli air force bombed the hell out Iraq's nuclear facilities because they felt it threatened their national security how much more threatened would they feel if radical anti-jew Iran were developing nukes, if they attacked Iran the backlash from the arab/muslim world would be crazy the international community better step up efforts to difuse this situation or it has the potential to get real ugly imo
    Yeah, REAL ugly.

  8. interesting.....

    i heard from my dad that he read that the U.S was offering Iran aide for their earthquake or something just recently..... and now we are thinking about nukes....interesting...

  9. I assume the Iranians think they can weather our limited miltary strikes, might slow them down but not stop them, resolve in Washington will fade faster than in Tehran, and maybe they can galvanize the Middle East to fight the Great Satan together.

    I will hope that we have told, or will tell them that, if any of their nukes are ever used by anyone, we'll respond in kind decisively, the entirety of Persia will be charred earth
    That's what would need to happen. What pisses me off is, even now, in 2006 the human ****ing race cant get their **** together and stop killing eachother. What the hell? Are there really THAT many as*holes on this planet that they can't see the proverbial forest because the trees are in the ****ing way? Is it really THAT hard for everyone to get along, or at least leave eachother the **** alone? I swear, you zoom out a bit and take a look at the big picture of current world events, and our whole species is just a bunch of ****ing dumb ass monkeys.

    BV

  10. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    That's what would need to happen. What pisses me off is, even now, in 2006 the human ****ing race cant get their **** together and stop killing eachother. What the hell? Are there really THAT many as*holes on this planet that they can't see the proverbial forest because the trees are in the ****ing way? Is it really THAT hard for everyone to get along, or at least leave eachother the **** alone? I swear, you zoom out a bit and take a look at the big picture of current world events, and our whole species is just a bunch of ****ing dumb ass monkeys.

    BV
    Doesn`t have to be that many *******s. Just the ones in charge!

    OT: I was looking for something and found this http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/geo/cour.../HomePage.html
    When you start putting these maps together by Pol-Rel-Econ-Edu ect... you see just how we have become what we are as a nation.

  11. Ridiculous. Bush is a complete idiot and anybody in his administration that supports him is a complete retard. This isn't a competition of who has a bigger chest.

    I'm moving out of this country... all respect is gone for our government.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    That's what would need to happen. What pisses me off is, even now, in 2006 the human ****ing race cant get their **** together and stop killing eachother. What the hell? Are there really THAT many as*holes on this planet that they can't see the proverbial forest because the trees are in the ****ing way? Is it really THAT hard for everyone to get along, or at least leave eachother the **** alone? I swear, you zoom out a bit and take a look at the big picture of current world events, and our whole species is just a bunch of ****ing dumb ass monkeys.

    BV
    I'm with you we should have long ago arrived at a place where we could resolve our disputes with diplomacy instead of with guns, tanks and bombs how it is that people still think you can shoot your way to peace is beyond my ability to comprehend

  13. Well, for the MOST part we ARE at that place right now. Most countries solve their problems with their brains.

    For a second, everybody, let's just forget about what country many of us live in. What kind of country, that preaches tolerance and acceptance, bombs others and starts wars with others' when they don't agree with them? If Bush was the president of most any other country, we'd be invaded or at war by now, period. If we would have started a fight with a country or region that was more united, we'd be in a HUGE war.

    I say again, set aside your beliefs that democracy and christianity is ultimately correct and try in any way to defend George Bush and his administration. If you can, you're blind following a man into war because he flat out thinks his way is the best, period, without any other thought.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
    Well, for the MOST part we ARE at that place right now. Most countries solve their problems with their brains.

    For a second, everybody, let's just forget about what country many of us live in. What kind of country, that preaches tolerance and acceptance, bombs others and starts wars with others' when they don't agree with them? If Bush was the president of most any other country, we'd be invaded or at war by now, period. If we would have started a fight with a country or region that was more united, we'd be in a HUGE war.

    I say again, set aside your beliefs that democracy and christianity is ultimately correct and try in any way to defend George Bush and his administration. If you can, you're blind following a man into war because he flat out thinks his way is the best, period, without any other thought.
    I couldn't even begin to defend Bush he's made a mess that we will be cleaning up for a long time to come. I can't agree with you that most countries use diplomacy to resolve differences there are way to many conflicts all over the globe for that to be true. America is just so egocentric that we can't believe other countries wouldn't want our brand of freedom/govt for themselves and in the middle east none of them do and again you just can't shoot people into seeing things your way makes no sense whatsoever

  15. I can agree with most everything you said. I'd like to think most countries do travel a very far path until they get to war as an option though... something Georgie boy seems not to do. There are certainly countries out there that look at war as a first option, but it surprises me that a supposed super-power is, as you say, this egocentric about it's approach.

    It's truly sad... and I have to say it again, I see very few other countries, if any, pulling this kind of sh*t without being in the middle of a huge war with too may enemies to count. Glad were in a democratic power and democracy is the "in" thing right now....

    Quote Originally Posted by BUCKNUTS
    I couldn't even begin to defend Bush he's made a mess that we will be cleaning up for a long time to come. I can't agree with you that most countries use diplomacy to resolve differences there are way to many conflicts all over the globe for that to be true. America is just so egocentric that we can't believe other countries wouldn't want our brand of freedom/govt for themselves and in the middle east none of them do and again you just can't shoot people into seeing things your way makes no sense whatsoever

  16. Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
    I can agree with most everything you said. I'd like to think most countries do travel a very far path until they get to war as an option though... something Georgie boy seems not to do. There are certainly countries out there that look at war as a first option, but it surprises me that a supposed super-power is, as you say, this egocentric about it's approach.

    It's truly sad... and I have to say it again, I see very few other countries, if any, pulling this kind of sh*t without being in the middle of a huge war with too may enemies to count. Glad were in a democratic power and democracy is the "in" thing right now....
    I agree completely with your frustration over our current regimes shoot first find out the facts later mentality over 2000 young americans have already died with more to come before it's over, even 1 would have been to many I have a teenage son and so I feel awful for the families of the deceased soldiers I can't even imagine how it would feel to lose my only son over there

  17. Not forget to mention the over 15,000 wounded and maimed. Its horrible. And all the Iraqi dead - there's one number that no one wants to talk about.

    Doesn`t have to be that many *******s. Just the ones in charge!
    I agree - but how many *******s does it take to elect them?? At times I feel uneasy being an American. A warmonger leader, insane laws that destroy innocent lives and create enourmous crime issues, more bull**** everytime I read the news...forget about the terrorists we've got enough to worry about with our own government.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga

    I agree - but how many *******s does it take to elect them??
    51%

  19. Not forget to mention the over 15,000 wounded and maimed. Its horrible. And all the Iraqi dead - there's one number that no one wants to talk about.
    I have a friend who is a card carrying member of the republican party who says for every American soldier who is killed 150 Iraqi/insurgents is killed I have no idea where he gets this info from I never asked but he uses it as a "proof" that things are going great over there and the media is blowing things out of proportion, same guy also told me more allied soldiers died during d-day during ww2 than in all the war in Iraq I told him he was an idiot to make such an apples to oranges comparison but he was too proud of himself to hear it.

  20. Militarily, I think we could take down the bulk of Iran's infrastructure and military hardware in a few weeks with our technologies. The real problem would be that we cannot occupy and clean out the current govt's vangaurd and Iran obviously knows this. Not to mention, it's just a terrible idea that would definitely ignite warfare throughout the ME against all western and US interests. Kiss the oil flow goodbye. THAT is what I think Iran's leader wants..martyrdom and unifying the ME against the west and Israel.

    With the money in the ME they could start to build quite the military and you could bet that North Korea and China would be happy to sell them arms which would force our hand even farther.

    Amazing how a bunch goat herders can affect worldwide change.



    Most credible reports I have seen show that Iran needs close to 10 years to get it's nuclear program to the point where they can make ICBM type nukes. If that's true I think we and the rest of the world can plan out something surgical to destroy their ambitions.

  21. None of this is new news at all. For a long, long time now, the Pentagon has drawn up war plans against any country that poses a threat... It's just a matter of whether or not we (USA) use them.

    Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
    Ridiculous. Bush is a complete idiot and anybody in his administration that supports him is a complete retard. This isn't a competition of who has a bigger chest.

    I'm moving out of this country... all respect is gone for our government.
    Bye...

  22. Militarily, I think we could take down the bulk of Iran's infrastructure and military hardware in a few weeks with our technologies. The real problem would be that we cannot occupy and clean out the current govt's vangaurd and Iran obviously knows this. Not to mention, it's just a terrible idea that would definitely ignite warfare throughout the ME against all western and US interests. Kiss the oil flow goodbye. THAT is what I think Iran's leader wants..martyrdom and unifying the ME against the west and Israel.

    With the money in the ME they could start to build quite the military and you could bet that North Korea and China would be happy to sell them arms which would force our hand even farther.

    Amazing how a bunch goat herders can affect worldwide change.



    Most credible reports I have seen show that Iran needs close to 10 years to get it's nuclear program to the point where they can make ICBM type nukes. If that's true I think we and the rest of the world can plan out something surgical to destroy their ambitions.
    And to think, all of this could have been avoided if we just would have put a national effort into getting off the mideast's oil spewing tit back in the 70's.

  23. BigV - I don't think this only has to do with Iran's oil contributions. If they've been thinking/plotting/whatever to drop nukes on the Isrealies, that will be reason alone for the US to go after Iran.

    I don't think going after alternative fuel technologies in the '70's would stop all this radical Religious extremism.
    I mean, come on now??

  24. BigV - I don't think this only has to do with Iran's oil contributions. If they've been thinking/plotting/whatever to drop nukes on the Isrealies, that will be reason alone for the US to go after Iran.

    I don't think going after alternative fuel technologies in the '70's would stop all this radical Religious extremism.
    I mean, come on now??
    Oh no I didnt mean that...but they'd have far less money to do what they're doing. The religious extreemism wouldnt be so frightening if they didnt have the funds to set up global terrorist cells, nuclear weapons programs, etc. If they did attack Israel with nukes, I can imagine most of the mideast would be a glass-bottomed swimming pool shortly thereafter.

    The whole situation is crazy, and it just keeps on escalating. I can't imagine it ending without serious destruction.

    BV

  25. It is written and it will happen: mankind WILL learn an indelible lesson one day.

    After that, evolution will truly commence.

  26. It is written and it will happen: mankind WILL learn an indelible lesson one day.

    After that, evolution will truly commence
    Unfortunately, I have to agree.

  27. Bush's intentions are so obvious.

    All he's doing is to try to push and push and push Iran. So when they respond, Bush will run around saying "Yeah, I was right. They are the enemy!" He's trying to bully Iran to attack and then try to claim the US as the wronged victim.

    Its a good way to bring up poll numbers. Even at Fox News, he's at 36%. The GOP who wants to get re-elected are distancing themselves and a slowly growing move to censure Bush...its easy to see why Bush is turning to military action for Iran.

  28. Or...it could be that Iran really is moving towards dropping nukes on Israel.

    Naw, the Bush conspiracies must be right.

  29. Well, some interesting comments here....I agree that some of the mess we are in will take years to fix.

    For those of you that want to move out of the country, then go. You might find a country that has been in civil war for years. There are many countries out there that use the gun as option #1. Do I think America should be one of those, absolutely not, however; I don't think running down OUR country helps anyone.

    I agree that it would be unbearable to lose a child in war. With that in mind, remember that the military is optional. It is not just a GI bill. Alot of bad things happen to alot of good people who feel that way.

    I don't have to agree with all of the decisions the suits in Washington make, but I still love my country very much!
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