Maybe they've got an ace up their sleeve...Color me ignorant, I am on this, Why are the Iranians spoiling for a fight? Why do they believe it's in their interest to guarantee that a
miltary far more powerful than they are will be after them if they continue on this path?
The Iranians did a poor job against the Iraqis in their war, are they insane enough to think they can seriously challenge the US if they really, really anger us?
Like I said, I'm ignorant, WTF is going on here?
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I remember when Sadam was trying to develop nukes and the Israeli air force bombed the hell out Iraq's nuclear facilities because they felt it threatened their national security how much more threatened would they feel if radical anti-jew Iran were developing nukes, if they attacked Iran the backlash from the arab/muslim world would be crazy the international community better step up efforts to difuse this situation or it has the potential to get real ugly imo
That's what would need to happen. What pisses me off is, even now, in 2006 the human ****ing race cant get their **** together and stop killing eachother. What the hell? Are there really THAT many as*holes on this planet that they can't see the proverbial forest because the trees are in the ****ing way? Is it really THAT hard for everyone to get along, or at least leave eachother the **** alone? I swear, you zoom out a bit and take a look at the big picture of current world events, and our whole species is just a bunch of ****ing dumb ass monkeys.I assume the Iranians think they can weather our limited miltary strikes, might slow them down but not stop them, resolve in Washington will fade faster than in Tehran, and maybe they can galvanize the Middle East to fight the Great Satan together.
I will hope that we have told, or will tell them that, if any of their nukes are ever used by anyone, we'll respond in kind decisively, the entirety of Persia will be charred earth
Doesn`t have to be that many *******s. Just the ones in charge!That's what would need to happen. What pisses me off is, even now, in 2006 the human ****ing race cant get their **** together and stop killing eachother. What the hell? Are there really THAT many as*holes on this planet that they can't see the proverbial forest because the trees are in the ****ing way? Is it really THAT hard for everyone to get along, or at least leave eachother the **** alone? I swear, you zoom out a bit and take a look at the big picture of current world events, and our whole species is just a bunch of ****ing dumb ass monkeys.
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I'm with you we should have long ago arrived at a place where we could resolve our disputes with diplomacy instead of with guns, tanks and bombs how it is that people still think you can shoot your way to peace is beyond my ability to comprehendThat's what would need to happen. What pisses me off is, even now, in 2006 the human ****ing race cant get their **** together and stop killing eachother. What the hell? Are there really THAT many as*holes on this planet that they can't see the proverbial forest because the trees are in the ****ing way? Is it really THAT hard for everyone to get along, or at least leave eachother the **** alone? I swear, you zoom out a bit and take a look at the big picture of current world events, and our whole species is just a bunch of ****ing dumb ass monkeys.
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I couldn't even begin to defend Bush he's made a mess that we will be cleaning up for a long time to come. I can't agree with you that most countries use diplomacy to resolve differences there are way to many conflicts all over the globe for that to be true. America is just so egocentric that we can't believe other countries wouldn't want our brand of freedom/govt for themselves and in the middle east none of them do and again you just can't shoot people into seeing things your way makes no sense whatsoeverWell, for the MOST part we ARE at that place right now. Most countries solve their problems with their brains.
For a second, everybody, let's just forget about what country many of us live in. What kind of country, that preaches tolerance and acceptance, bombs others and starts wars with others' when they don't agree with them? If Bush was the president of most any other country, we'd be invaded or at war by now, period. If we would have started a fight with a country or region that was more united, we'd be in a HUGE war.
I say again, set aside your beliefs that democracy and christianity is ultimately correct and try in any way to defend George Bush and his administration. If you can, you're blind following a man into war because he flat out thinks his way is the best, period, without any other thought.
I couldn't even begin to defend Bush he's made a mess that we will be cleaning up for a long time to come. I can't agree with you that most countries use diplomacy to resolve differences there are way to many conflicts all over the globe for that to be true. America is just so egocentric that we can't believe other countries wouldn't want our brand of freedom/govt for themselves and in the middle east none of them do and again you just can't shoot people into seeing things your way makes no sense whatsoever
I agree completely with your frustration over our current regimes shoot first find out the facts later mentality over 2000 young americans have already died with more to come before it's over, even 1 would have been to many I have a teenage son and so I feel awful for the families of the deceased soldiers I can't even imagine how it would feel to lose my only son over thereI can agree with most everything you said. I'd like to think most countries do travel a very far path until they get to war as an option though... something Georgie boy seems not to do. There are certainly countries out there that look at war as a first option, but it surprises me that a supposed super-power is, as you say, this egocentric about it's approach.
It's truly sad... and I have to say it again, I see very few other countries, if any, pulling this kind of sh*t without being in the middle of a huge war with too may enemies to count. Glad were in a democratic power and democracy is the "in" thing right now....
I agree - but how many *******s does it take to elect them?? At times I feel uneasy being an American. A warmonger leader, insane laws that destroy innocent lives and create enourmous crime issues, more bull**** everytime I read the news...forget about the terrorists we've got enough to worry about with our own government.Doesn`t have to be that many *******s. Just the ones in charge!
51% :icon_lol:I agree - but how many *******s does it take to elect them??
I have a friend who is a card carrying member of the republican party who says for every American soldier who is killed 150 Iraqi/insurgents is killed I have no idea where he gets this info from I never asked but he uses it as a "proof" that things are going great over there and the media is blowing things out of proportion, same guy also told me more allied soldiers died during d-day during ww2 than in all the war in Iraq I told him he was an idiot to make such an apples to oranges comparison but he was too proud of himself to hear it.Not forget to mention the over 15,000 wounded and maimed. Its horrible. And all the Iraqi dead - there's one number that no one wants to talk about.
Bye...:wave:Ridiculous. Bush is a complete idiot and anybody in his administration that supports him is a complete retard. This isn't a competition of who has a bigger chest.
I'm moving out of this country... all respect is gone for our government.
And to think, all of this could have been avoided if we just would have put a national effort into getting off the mideast's oil spewing tit back in the 70's.Militarily, I think we could take down the bulk of Iran's infrastructure and military hardware in a few weeks with our technologies. The real problem would be that we cannot occupy and clean out the current govt's vangaurd and Iran obviously knows this. Not to mention, it's just a terrible idea that would definitely ignite warfare throughout the ME against all western and US interests. Kiss the oil flow goodbye. THAT is what I think Iran's leader wants..martyrdom and unifying the ME against the west and Israel.
With the money in the ME they could start to build quite the military and you could bet that North Korea and China would be happy to sell them arms which would force our hand even farther.
Amazing how a bunch goat herders can affect worldwide change.
Most credible reports I have seen show that Iran needs close to 10 years to get it's nuclear program to the point where they can make ICBM type nukes. If that's true I think we and the rest of the world can plan out something surgical to destroy their ambitions.
Oh no I didnt mean that...but they'd have far less money to do what they're doing. The religious extreemism wouldnt be so frightening if they didnt have the funds to set up global terrorist cells, nuclear weapons programs, etc. If they did attack Israel with nukes, I can imagine most of the mideast would be a glass-bottomed swimming pool shortly thereafter.BigV - I don't think this only has to do with Iran's oil contributions. If they've been thinking/plotting/whatever to drop nukes on the Isrealies, that will be reason alone for the US to go after Iran.
I don't think going after alternative fuel technologies in the '70's would stop all this radical Religious extremism.
I mean, come on now??
Unfortunately, I have to agree.It is written and it will happen: mankind WILL learn an indelible lesson one day.
After that, evolution will truly commence
No way, they would never do that if they had the chance.Or...it could be that Iran really is moving towards dropping nukes on Israel.
Naw, the Bush conspiracies must be right.
Yeah, me too. That's its so upsetting to see things going the way they are. Foreign affairs are bad enough, and by spending billions and billions trying to be the world's (often uninvited) police squad there a many things domestically that are dramitcially underfunded and falling into disarray.Well, some interesting comments here....I agree that some of the mess we are in will take years to fix.
For those of you that want to move out of the country, then go. You might find a country that has been in civil war for years. There are many countries out there that use the gun as option #1. Do I think America should be one of those, absolutely not, however; I don't think running down OUR country helps anyone.
I agree that it would be unbearable to lose a child in war. With that in mind, remember that the military is optional. It is not just a GI bill. Alot of bad things happen to alot of good people who feel that way.
I don't have to agree with all of the decisions the suits in Washington make, but I still love my country very much!
You have got to kidding me. The last thing that will help his numbers is another war. It will make it worse.Bush's intentions are so obvious.
All he's doing is to try to push and push and push Iran. So when they respond, Bush will run around saying "Yeah, I was right. They are the enemy!" He's trying to bully Iran to attack and then try to claim the US as the wronged victim.
Its a good way to bring up poll numbers. Even at Fox News, he's at 36%. The GOP who wants to get re-elected are distancing themselves and a slowly growing move to censure Bush...its easy to see why Bush is turning to military action for Iran.
I agree that we cannot be the world's police squad. I do think it's sad that we spend as much (more) on war than we spend taking care of our own. However, for the men and women who are fighting over seas we should give them the best training and equipment we can, but it cost money. I wish I had the answer, if I did then maybe I would run for office:blink:Yeah, me too. That's its so upsetting to see things going the way they are. Foreign affairs are bad enough, and by spending billions and billions trying to be the world's (often uninvited) police squad there a many things domestically that are dramitcially underfunded and falling into disarray.
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Yeah, same here. I dont support this war that's going on, but I wholeheartedly support the troops over there fighting. I would rather see the government spare no expense ensuring minimal casualties and maximum success. Sadly, when a lot of these wounded GI's come home they are forgotten about. At least, from what Ive read that seems to be the case. I have a couple friends that have spent time in Iraq, and they have said that the morale is pretty dismal. You'll hear different from other sources go...its hard to judge with 3rd hand info and just reading the news.I agree that we cannot be the world's police squad. I do think it's sad that we spend as much (more) on war than we spend taking care of our own. However, for the men and women who are fighting over seas we should give them the best training and equipment we can, but it cost money. I wish I had the answer, if I did then maybe I would run for office
I don't agree with alot that has happened, but I want the best for our young folk who are on the front lines.
I am sure the morale is not very good. When you don't definitivly know what your fighting for, morale goes way down.Yeah, same here. I dont support this war that's going on, but I wholeheartedly support the troops over there fighting. I would rather see the government spare no expense ensuring minimal casualties and maximum success. Sadly, when a lot of these wounded GI's come home they are forgotten about. At least, from what Ive read that seems to be the case. I have a couple friends that have spent time in Iraq, and they have said that the morale is pretty dismal. You'll hear different from other sources go...its hard to judge with 3rd hand info and just reading the news.
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I agree I dont think another war would help GB's rating's a bit. I also have to agree that Israel will respond with much more brutal force than we ever would.You have got to kidding me. The last thing that will help his numbers is another war. It will make it worse.
Yeah he's really trying to push and push.....You do know that he majority of the effort in the last 2 years to get Iran to comply has been from the UN. Guess what they have done...they ignored them and stated they will not comply.
If you want to look deeper into this Iran is playing it smart. They KNOW nobody else in this world will do what we did in Iraq and they think there is no way the US will risk another PR disaster of another war (consdiering the current administration is out in 2008) so they are beating their chest stating they will not comply because they know the next administration will be more worried about how they look to the public, not about solving the problem. What will happen? The UN will fold like usual, no military action will happen and Israel will be forced to respond with probably more brutality and force than we would which will promt an all out jihad against Israel.
Iran senses weakness due to public pressure on the current administration and they are taking full advantage of it because they know nobody else has the balls to do anything to stop them. Europe will once again create a monster due to inaction. We will get hit hard again and the same people *****ing about the action we are taking now will ***** about the inaction that will happen.
A family member and 3 friends of mine will tell you otherwise with 3 of them returning in the last 3 months. The news takes comments such as "i wish i was home" and makes it sond like they are all depressed and hating life. What they don't report is the comments made after such as "but I believe in what we are doing and I dont want to leave until the job is done".I have a couple friends that have spent time in Iraq, and they have said that the morale is pretty dismal. You'll hear different from other sources go...its hard to judge with 3rd hand info and just reading the news.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/world/middleeast/09report.htmlAnyone seen a civil war around here? I tohugh I saw it about a month ago but I think I lost it. It must be buried under that Bush leak story or immigration reform. Let me see if I can dig it up
Okay maybe that's true for the people you know. Do they know when the job will be DONE. What is the mission......are we trying to establish a new government or just be the police. I am not saying we shouldn't be there because right now, we have to be.A family member and 3 friends of mine will tell you otherwise with 3 of them returning in the last 3 months. The news takes comments such as "i wish i was home" and makes it sond like they are all depressed and hating life. What they don't report is the comments made after such as "but I believe in what we are doing and I dont want to leave until the job is done".
But you won't here that on the majority of news channels and papers because that wouldn't sell. Conflict sells.
Anyone seen a civil war around here? I tohugh I saw it about a month ago but I think I lost it. It must be buried under that Bush leak story or immigration reform. Let me see if I can dig it up
That is so very true. I believe the exact same thing.. what we are doing over there is right... I've done 2 tours so far.. volunteering for a 3rd.A family member and 3 friends of mine will tell you otherwise with 3 of them returning in the last 3 months. The news takes comments such as "i wish i was home" and makes it sond like they are all depressed and hating life. What they don't report is the comments made after such as "but I believe in what we are doing and I dont want to leave until the job is done".
But you won't here that on the majority of news channels and papers because that wouldn't sell. Conflict sells.
Anyone seen a civil war around here? I tohugh I saw it about a month ago but I think I lost it. It must be buried under that Bush leak story or immigration reform. Let me see if I can dig it up
Morale is NOT in the hands of the commanders AT ALL. It isnt your commander working along side you... making the best out of situations.. it is your Battle Buddy, or whatever you want to call it. It is the person having that laugh with you when **** really hits the fan.Okay maybe that's true for the people you know. Do they know when the job will be DONE. What is the mission......are we trying to establish a new government or just be the police. I am not saying we shouldn't be there because right now, we have to be.
Morale, I believe, is somewhat in the hands of the commanders. If they don't have a positive outlook and can't tell the troops what end goal is, the moral will be sh****.
The media has always played a big part in what we all believe and think. Unfortunately (first hand experience) the media portrays things in a way different light that what is truth.
It's a war, says Iraq ministerAnyone seen a civil war around here? I tohugh I saw it about a month ago but I think I lost it. It must be buried under that Bush leak story or immigration reform. Let me see if I can dig it up
Hey, what a champion. You must have a good unit your with......That is so very true. I believe the exact same thing.. what we are doing over there is right... I've done 2 tours so far.. volunteering for a 3rd.
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So far its been two different individual taskers.. so not with my unit... assigned to different forces each time. Thanks.Hey, what a champion. You must have a good unit your with......
I wish you the best of luck if you do go back.
I spent 12 years in a combat arms unit and guess what, the leadership dictates alot of how the unit functions. If the leadership is positive and gives you a clear mission you respond accordingly. Yeah the commander might not be right there with you, but he sets the tone for the entire unit (more so the first shirt).Morale is NOT in the hands of the commanders AT ALL. It isnt your commander working along side you... making the best out of situations.. it is your Battle Buddy, or whatever you want to call it. It is the person having that laugh with you when **** really hits the fan.
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I've had plenty of lousy commanders.. and yes, they can cause problems. But I have never seen one commander drag down the morale as a whole... Its always you and your comrades making the best out of it.I spent 12 years in a combat arms unit and guess what, the leadership dictates alot of how the unit functions. If the leadership is positive and gives you a clear mission you respond accordingly. Yeah the commander might not be right there with you, but he sets the tone for the entire unit (more so the first shirt).
I agree your battle buddy is who you rest your life with. Thats who you spend all of your time with. You and your battle buddy feed off of the information given and make the best or worst of it. It's pretty clear, through history, from commander thru top enlisted, they can change the total attitude of a unit.
You obviously have never had a lousy commander or you would know what I am talking about.
Thats good. I had a commander that almost destroyed my unit. I hope you keep the positive attitude.I've had plenty of lousy commanders.. and yes, they can cause problems. But I have never seen one commander drag down the morale as a whole... Its always you and your comrades making the best out of it.
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