Loving the "peaceful" immigration protests...

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Kind of the point of my responses. Keeps him going and the smiley gods happy. Have to wonder about the intellectual prowess of someone whose posts wouldn't be as long as my admitted meandering if he didn't love cartoons so much though.
    See my post above. lol


  2. Quote Originally Posted by BioHazzard
    To be a man, you should not be just 'talk the talk but can't walk the walk'. To be a man, you need to be able to put your money where your mouth is and not live the life of a hypocrite and a coward. Nothing is more pathetic than a coward and a hypocrite.
    Seems to me that would leave you with nothing then.

    And once more in all those balls you supposedly have you can't find the courage to level a single genuine direct insult anonymously over the web. You see Bio, it's you whose living in a fantasy world, because you presume to know about others things you don't and can't know. You see I have no need to strut and tell people I've survived spear and machete or whatever it was you claimed, because I have enough confidence and self security to not have to boast on the internet. The only emotion people like you stir in me is sadness that since I don't know you I'll most likely miss the look on your face the day when out from under your presumtions reality rears up and bites you in the ass.

    Love those smileys though, keep them coming.
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  3. Hi I am new here

    Saw this post.........
    Grew up in Namibia,not part of the South African past,live in South Africa at current,2000 illegal Zimbabwean imigrants per week,over a thousand from other african countries,3 out of 5 women raped,43 car hijacks per day 1.3 cash intransit vechiles hijacked each day 23000 people killed in crime related incidents last year,myself in 3 three shooting incidents in the last year,dad shot in front of me,mother tied up,beaten all friends at least once a serious crime victim,borders are uncontrolled and this is the result.Ok worst of all I am in the IT and Fitness industry which is supposed to be safe.
    I live in a securety complex,guards at gate,electric fencing,Alarm system with Armed response,burglar bars right round,Safety gate in front of bedroom door and still had an attemted burglary last week.
    As in DRC,Rwanda,Tanzanie,Haiti we will face a full scale genocide on anthing that is not black......within the next 5 years,this is obviously all kept out of the media for obvious reasons

  4. OK OK Biohazard has been to Africa,marketted by lions and jumping Springboks.Its true as I am here I was offered a service to get someone that owes me money to get killed for R300 +- $40.

  5. That's what happens when a nation becomes a third world nation.. Wasn't South Africa thriving just 10 years ago? This is what America is going to be like in 30 years. When Americans, with our peaceful, respectful customs - are the minority...

    And did you say "media" without quotes around it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Genocide
    Hi I am new here

    Saw this post.........
    Grew up in Namibia,not part of the South African past,live in South Africa at current,2000 illegal Zimbabwean imigrants per week,over a thousand from other african countries,3 out of 5 women raped,43 car hijacks per day 1.3 cash intransit vechiles hijacked each day 23000 people killed in crime related incidents last year,myself in 3 three shooting incidents in the last year,dad shot in front of me,mother tied up,beaten all friends at least once a serious crime victim,borders are uncontrolled and this is the result.Ok worst of all I am in the IT and Fitness industry which is supposed to be safe.
    I live in a securety complex,guards at gate,electric fencing,Alarm system with Armed response,burglar bars right round,Safety gate in front of bedroom door and still had an attemted burglary last week.
    As in DRC,Rwanda,Tanzanie,Haiti we will face a full scale genocide on anthing that is not black......within the next 5 years,this is obviously all kept out of the media for obvious reasons
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Seems to me that would leave you with nothing then.

    And once more in all those balls you supposedly have you can't find the courage to level a single genuine direct insult anonymously over the web. You see Bio, it's you whose living in a fantasy world, because you presume to know about others things you don't and can't know. You see I have no need to strut and tell people I've survived spear and machete or whatever it was you claimed, because I have enough confidence and self security to not have to boast on the internet. The only emotion people like you stir in me is sadness that since I don't know you I'll most likely miss the look on your face the day when out from under your presumtions reality rears up and bites you in the ass.

    Love those smileys though, keep them coming.
    Sad... you are confused miserably between what reality is and what fantasy is.

    Go ahead and move to some lawless places. I guarantee you, there is no fantasy waiting for you there. Reality will hit you right between the eyes by nightfall. Yes, by nightfall, you will realize that you are not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy! So, go ahead and live dangerously. When you come back, you can tell us if it is a fantasy or reality. We'll be waiting for your report, with eager anticipation. I am sure your time spent writing longwinded posts here, will serve you well in dishing out splendid reports on your foreign adventure in lawless dangerous places. lol

    If you don't actually do it, then you would continue to confuse fantasy with reality. Don't need to worry about my experience. I certainly don't care about what you think about my experience. Heck, I have already lived through it and don't particularly care to relive it neither. What you think or what anyone thinks, mean jack**** to me and certainly would not change the past one bit. So? OTOH, I think everyone is VERY interested in YOUR experience in lawless places.

    So, when are you leaving the country? Oh c'mon, don't worry! It is just a f a n t a s y! Can't be that scary!

    P.S. Going to tourist resorts, do not count. That would be cheating! lol

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Genocide
    OK OK Biohazard has been to Africa,marketted by lions and jumping Springboks.....
    Nope... never being to Africa. Would like to go there someday. Unfortunately, I hate the humidity in the tropics. I sweat profusely all day when I was in Asia. Everytime I arrived there, it took me at least a week to get my body adjusted to the tropical climate. I had to just hide inside air-conditioned room for a week, before I ventured outside. I am a chicken when it comes to heat and humidity. lol

    ...Its true as I am here I was offered a service to get someone that owes me money to get killed for R300 +- $40.
    It is a different world. In many parts of the world, the expression 'life is cheat', are not empty words.

  8. Off the topic a little, but I got some "inside" information on the Phoenix protest that took place last Monday.

    I spoke to a police officer at my gym, from what he told me, Phoenix PD had all their gang units, all their special units from the projects, and all their SWAT team attending the march. There were literally police snipers on the rooftops, able to deal with any problems real time. There were "spotters" watching the whole situation as it unfolded. All were in radio contact. 'no surprise that everything was under control.

    This was the first time I had spoken to a police officer in 20 years. Highly recommended. It's a real eye-opening experience.

    As it turns out... 85% of the gangs in Phoenix are Mexican. There are 40 black gangs, and a few white gangs as well.

    I really don't have much else to add here...

    -Tinytoad

  9. Actually, thanks for bringing it back to the topic.

  10. What operative? Talk about fantasy! lol

    You don't need to be an operative to do the things I did. This ain't no GIJoe, my brutha!

    And who was accusing you of what again?

    I thought you were the one who lives for the start of a rebellion or revolution against the US government. Well, it is not happening, period. Give it up! lol

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
    Easily the most dangerous gang in America today, an estimated 9500 strong within the US, is predominately Mexican, MS-13, the Salvadorian Army Ants. Heavily into drug trafficking, they've spread from LA throughout the Southwest into Atlanta to the DC area,lesser influence in Chicago. They are aligned with the brainpower and resources of Neustra Familia and the Black Guerilla Family.

    I must have missed something, who was calling for no government anarchy?

    For a proclaimed operative, Bio, you are might quick to jump to conclusions about the actions and intent of others with these grinning skull accusations based on what evidence?
    Yes! MS13. The police officer spoke of them as well -- very bad!!!

    He told me how he stopped a car once, and there was one guy he had come in contact before, and three guys that looked like they were MS-13. He tells me they stick out, because they are so quiet, and have "torn up" faces. The officer told me that it was pretty scary.

    He went on to tell me that MS-13 was responsible for 80 killings of members of the bloods and crips in Los Angeles. MS-13 would dismember the bodies, sometimes leaving severed heads on doorsteps.

    -Tinytoad

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
    There's that wrong interpretation again, operative is a term much broader than just GI Joe.

    Has any goverment ever been radically corrected by it's citizens? How many publically acknowledged that the potential for rebellion was there?

    Please, keep dismissing the challenges as ineffectual and lunatic ravings, keep watching the no news at 6, tell yourself that all is hunky dory, it makes it much easier to sneak up on your 6.

    And step away from the Smilie button, just say no.
    You have a better chance at winning a $300m Powerball than having a rebellion against the US Federal Government. You may set off a few bombs and fire a few shots. We have that from time to time. But the Republic lives on. That is not going to change anytime soon.

  13. The best way I see of putting this to an end is:

    1) Fence over easily accessible parts of the border

    2) slam employers who hire illegal aliens wth $20,000 fines for each violation. This is the essence of ending our problems in a cost-effective manner.

    3) very important - increase enforcement capacities - w/o this, #2 does not work

    4) allow local police forces to make arrests and coordinate with federal agents

    5) Produce ID cards for workers to allow them to come to the US for very short periods of time (say 2 years) that are very difficult to forge. Make them as tough as our currency. This holds employers accountable and discourages fraud.

    6) Absolutely no social services for these invaders. No anchor babies.

    There's no need to make these people felons. If we implement #2, #3, and #6, we remove the incentives to come here outside of the terms that we specify. Employers will avoid hiring illegals at all costs if it's going to cost them $$$$ and possibly jail time AND they know that people are looking over their shoulders to enforce the law.

    This is a serious issue that needs to be dealt with seriously.

    A guest worker program is okay, but it needs to be short term, the border needs to be secure when it is implemented, and IT MUST levy substantial fines against employers who hire illegals.

    I'd like to see a hotline where citizens could report employers who hire illegal aliens, as well.

  14. And for those who say that Mexico is such a poor country, it's not. At all. Mexico is the wealthiest nation in Latin America. Their per capita GDP is only about $1,500 less than Poland's.

    The issue is that their racist and corrupt government is pawning off the Mestizos on us while the Spaniard elite (that's what they call them in Mexico) rack in all the money.

    There is no reason that these people should be this poor. Yes, they'd be poorer than our citizens, but they should be able to feed their families and lead normal lives. Mexico's corrupt government needs to be fixed.

    Giving these people amnesty is also the last thing in the world that's going to address the corrupt Mexican government.

  15. What is wrong with what they are doing? The country was founded on immigration. Most of us would not be here had there been the "great" federal gov't we have now. People protest; The Million Man March? What was that about anyway? I agree it should be done legally, but is what most of us put in our bodies, "legal"? I support them. If I had a family to support and lived in Mexico, my ass would be coming here. If they come here to work, let them in, just don't sit on your ass!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon
    What is wrong with what they are doing? The country was founded on immigration. Most of us would not be here had there been the "great" federal gov't we have now. People protest; The Million Man March? What was that about anyway? I agree it should be done legally, but is what most of us put in our bodies, "legal"? I support them. If I had a family to support and lived in Mexico, my ass would be coming here. If they come here to work, let them in, just don't sit on your ass!
    Correction: this country was founded on legal immigration. It was founded on immigrants who assimilated. Who learned English. Who didn't run around stripping the American flag, turning it upside down, and flying a buzzard flag above it. The Italians learned English. The Germans learned English. The Irish learned to fit in. The Poles learned English. The Russians learned English. They didn't demand special rights. They didn't go flying the flags of their old nations. They didn't demand that this land belonged to them for thousands of years. They never spoke of Reconquista or conquering in the first place. They never spoke of the Gringoes.

    There was some unrest in our past, particularly with Irish immigrants. Nothing like this.

    You mention this great federal government: what use is that federal government without the rule of law? How great can it possibly be?

    As for having a family to support and coming to America, the whole 3rd world would come here if it could. Why should Mexicans get special rights? Why should Mexican be able to cut in front of friends that I have with advanced degrees in Engineering, law, accounting, and finance who could make a contribution to our economy, who speak fluent English, and who love America and have been waiting for years to come here?

    You realize that they're the wealthiest nation in Latin America. Giving these illegals amnesty is exactly what the Spanish elite in Mexico wants you to do. Ship out the poor, keep the system corrupt and serving only a few. Sweep away the trash so that they don't have to worry about them rising up against them and can keep things corrupt as always. Then let these minions arrive in America, declare the Reconquists, and maybe reclaim Arizona. All paid for by Americans.

    Meanwhile these illegals drive down the wages that Americans would earn. This is particularly true of wages for blacks, who compete for Latinoes for many of these jobs. They drive Americans out of construction, out of landscaping, out of carpentry, out of factories, etc...

    Illegal immigration costs this country about 13-billion dollars per year. That excludes what it costs to educate their kids. Nevermind the cultural damage and the balkanization that we are seeing.

    Sorry, I think illegal immigrants are doing plenty wrong. And the businesses that hire them are doing even worse.

    I guess we all have a voice in this, but I for one am sick and tired of this problem. It's time to fix it.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by mtruther
    Correction: this country was founded on legal immigration. It was founded on immigrants who assimilated. Who learned English. Who didn't run around stripping the American flag, turning it upside down, and flying a buzzard flag above it. The Italians learned English. The Germans learned English. The Irish learned to fit in. The Poles learned English. The Russians learned English. They didn't demand special rights. They didn't go flying the flags of their old nations. They didn't demand that this land belonged to them for thousands of years. They never spoke of Reconquista or conquering in the first place. They never spoke of the Gringoes.

    There was some unrest in our past, particularly with Irish immigrants. Nothing like this.

    You mention this great federal government: what use is that federal government without the rule of law? How great can it possibly be?

    As for having a family to support and coming to America, the whole 3rd world would come here if it could. Why should Mexicans get special rights? Why should Mexican be able to cut in front of friends that I have with advanced degrees in Engineering, law, accounting, and finance who could make a contribution to our economy, who speak fluent English, and who love America and have been waiting for years to come here?

    You realize that they're the wealthiest nation in Latin America. Giving these illegals amnesty is exactly what the Spanish elite in Mexico wants you to do. Ship out the poor, keep the system corrupt and serving only a few. Sweep away the trash so that they don't have to worry about them rising up against them and can keep things corrupt as always. Then let these minions arrive in America, declare the Reconquists, and maybe reclaim Arizona. All paid for by Americans.

    Meanwhile these illegals drive down the wages that Americans would earn. This is particularly true of wages for blacks, who compete for Latinoes for many of these jobs. They drive Americans out of construction, out of landscaping, out of carpentry, out of factories, etc...

    Illegal immigration costs this country about 13-billion dollars per year. That excludes what it costs to educate their kids. Nevermind the cultural damage and the balkanization that we are seeing.

    Sorry, I think illegal immigrants are doing plenty wrong. And the businesses that hire them are doing even worse.

    I guess we all have a voice in this, but I for one am sick and tired of this problem. It's time to fix it.
    What about the Indians? Look what was done to them. We took their lives and land. I agree it should be done legally. At least they are working. Look at New Orleans the employment race their, what race are they? I am sure if you look at the numbers, the illegals are not costing the country as much as the other lazy races! The companies that hire them are just trying to save/make money. Is that what America has become, making money?

  18. Mexico's gov't is the major cause of illegals coming here. We are spending too much damn money in Iraq for oil, and not enough money protecting the borders. I agree with you. If I was in their situation, I would do the same. (I do support all soliders, not the war!)

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon
    What about the Indians? Look what was done to them.
    F*ck the Indians!!!

    I'm so sick of people whining about them.

    What about my people..the Celts??? They lived originally in the Rhine valley and got pushed out by the bloodthirsty Germanic tribes and later the Romans.

    The Celts got chased to Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

    Nobody cries for them! Why, cause they were white???

    Where are my reperations???

  20. Quote Originally Posted by klugman
    F*ck the Indians!!!

    I'm so sick of people whining about them.

    What about my people..the Celts??? They lived originally in the Rhine valley and got pushed out by the bloodthirsty Germanic tribes and later the Romans.

    The Celts got chased to Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

    Nobody cries for them! Why, cause they were white???

    Where are my reperations???
    While I can't wholly buy into the "[email protected]#$ the Indians bit (and I know you're not being entirely serious when you say that), I do think it's less than relevant to this argument. You'd have a very hard time trying to get anything done or recognizing any one nation if you let that kind of reasoning into the argument.

    Yes, "we" took the lives and land of indigenous Americans, and so the Romans took the lives and lands of all of Europe. So with the Greeks. As Klugman mentions, so with the Germanic tribes. On several occasions, be it the Vandals or the Visigoths, who ran out the Romans . So with the any nation state in existence, including those Indian nations that we conquered (many of which were, of course, founded by warfare against other Indian nations). War and conquest have been and continue to be the determinant of national borders. That a nation acquired land through war doesn't mean we discount the rule of law of the world's nations.

    If one cannot control one's borders and the populace, there exists the possibility that populations will begin flecking off or that others will enter, conquer, and divide. See Lebanon or Papua New Guinea for more recent examples.

    What is relevant is our nation, its laws at the present moment, and our national security. As is our nation's past a lens through which we understand the above.

    Note the borders of the below photo from yesterday's rally:


    We can do better than this. There are many more Mexicans and other foreign-born indivduals who will make better Americans than this.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon
    What is wrong with what they are doing? The country was founded on immigration. Most of us would not be here had there been the "great" federal gov't we have now. People protest; The Million Man March? What was that about anyway? I agree it should be done legally, but is what most of us put in our bodies, "legal"? I support them. If I had a family to support and lived in Mexico, my ass would be coming here. If they come here to work, let them in, just don't sit on your ass!
    I thought that this country was founded by rich tobacco farmers and merchants that did not want to pay taxes to the King of England?

    I think that a commercial solution is the best idea. If the mexican economy was more stable, it could support more people. It may be time to forgo culture and adopt a USA-like capitalist consumer culture.
    Although, now that they are legalizing drugs there may be a reverse migration!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhino
    Although, now that they are legalizing drugs there may be a reverse migration!
    At least a lot of strategically planned vacations.

    In the end this isn't about immgration. We have an immgration policy and a lot of people have complied with it and become citizens or legal residents. It's about illegal immigration. We are going to have a process for immigration into this country or we won't. If we don't, it's open borders plain and simple. If we do have a process and it's not enforced, it's open borders plain and simple. If we do have a process and it is enforced, those who violate it are here illegally and should be arrested and deported.

    Can the process of immigration be made simpler? Perhaps. Are there people here illegally now that might deserve or have some claim of citizenship in some moral or ethical way? Perhaps. Point being the issues are law and security, not what some people think they have a right to demand after violating a fairly serious set of laws.

    Nothing will be done about this. With all respect to everyone who thinks something can be done, several thousand Americans lost their lives on 9/11, and they were killed by people most of whom overstayed their visas and who were here illegally and should have been deported, much less let into the country to begin with. If that doesn't jump start the government to do something, nothing will. It also shows quite plainly that in the end the government doesn't give two ****s about what's supposed to be its primary responsibility: ensuring the safety of its citizens against aggression by others.

    The laws may change slightly, the situation won't.
    Last edited by CDB; 05-03-2006 at 04:01 PM.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER
    My wife is a LEGAL immigrant and she is so freaking ticked off at the illegals she wants to start a anti rally lol

    She wants to move to TX to be a volunteer minuteman. She said Americans just do NOT understand how this country is going to be ruined. She saw it happen to her country over the past 30 years and said the US is next unless we get our act together and stop it.


    CROWLER


    Same with my wife she is a LEGAL Latino imagrant and hates these illegals and thier ant-Amiercan protest. We need immigrants that assimilate into our society not immigrants trying to bring their society to our country. Beside these people are ILLEGAL! They are not citizens and should be kicked out. They piss all over everything Americans have worked hard for, they take over public services and abuse the system.
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