Loving the "peaceful" immigration protests...

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  1. DAMN how can just about all of us be on the same page. What the heck is Bush thinking.

    HEY maybe there will be an amnisty thing for AS usage. You just come forward and admit you were doing something illegal and they give you a users permit for 4 years.

    By the way CDB I LIKE the annex Mexico. Probably the Mexicans would say NO we want your free health care, free schooling etc etc etc BUT we want our heritage.

    I saw a statistic that said WELL over half the population wants to live in the US. YIKES


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  2. Quote Originally Posted by redraiderdave
    Being of hispanic origin, I am disgusted with the protests I see going on. My family is several generations removed from our country of origin and came to this country becoming documented migrant workers. Not one of my current family members is supportive of these protests and find them quite embarassing. I live in the dfw area and protests have been going on over the past few days at dallas city hall. Its bad enough that these people are supporting ILLEGAL immigration, most of them have no idea what the specifics of the issues are. This is not a race issue as many of them believe it is about BREAKING THE LAW. The minute an ILLEGAL immigrant manifests in this country they are telling everyone that U.S. laws do not apply to us. How can anyone support that? Unfortunatly for me, I get alot of "you must be upset about this immigration law" "are you're parents going to be deported" comments directed toward me.
    To sum it all up these people are viewed as the hispanic version of "white trash".
    that's pretty much what my Latino friends say as well, this is something that's pissing off Mexican-Americans as much as Americans of all other groups. The breason this is made into a race is because it puts policy makers in a delicate situation since they'll be labeled racists by people who run against them in the future and politicians are too concerned with getting re-elected instead of serving the best interests of their citizens.

    Our economy could also be affected by excessive illegal immigration. Too many workers with not enough jobs means average salaries do not increase for the rest of us. We gotta have a process where people can here legally so they pay taxes, have rights, and are encouraged to ;earn English.

    That thing in Dallas about educators is a disaster, it's not like qualified teachers are ouot there lining up for jobs so why do this crap ? This type of crap nis another reason why many teachers either switch to the private sector or pursue other careers after a while
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  3. Just imagine what would happen if we illegally lived in Mexico, then started protesting and making demands of that govt...we'd never be heard from again.

    I totally understand your frustration Red, it's not about race for me. If Norway and Ireland illegally immigrated here and started making demands..I'd happily boot my distant ancestors out (well maybe the hot Norweigan girls could stay..but everyone else GTFO).

    I also understand what you are saying about these being the lowest social-economic-status people coming here. They're peasants to use an unflattering word, completely uneducated and they are being used as foot soldiers for these protest by people who should know better..people who have socialism as agenda and that's not gonna fly in the country.

    I truly hope for a peaceful resolution to this situation..one that benefits the migrant worker and allows them to work here for lengths of time with the dignity of being a valued guest rather than a criminal. But it IS a two way street. They are not in a position to make demands nor will this country be pressured or intimidated via use of the race card. They must drop this entitlement attitude if they are to coexist here peacefully...otherwise, I can see things becoming very very ugly and the racist factions of this country will have a field day. I do not want that.

  4. i was listening to the radio this morning and this guy decided to ask some mexican school kid protesters about why they were protesting......

    the first 10 in the line said they really didnt know...

    the line leaders told him they "we dont want borders"

    hm......... right.......

  5. This is another example of how this country is turning into bizzaro land. Neither the democrats or republicans will do any thing about it. Democrats see future voters who depend on the government to survive. Republicans see cheap labor. On top of the you have the politically correct thought police ready to label anyone who disagrees a bigot, a xenophobe, and a racist. What it boils down to is anyone in favor of illegal aliens wants an open boarder. In recent polls 60% of Americans want something to be done, yet our elected officials will do nothing about it. Unfortunately it's going to take another 9-11 or worse that started with a few OTMs walking over the Mexican boarder.
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  6. I am in San Diego and this crap is really pissing me off. These freaking kids have no idea what they are protesting either.

    They are causing traffic problems around here, littering, just being stupid.

    I had 2 cars stolen by illegal imigrants, yes I do know they were illegal (i caught both of them)...UGH

  7. VG- I agree. Yeah, they'll be voters someday..but neither party can conform to their overall philosophies..fiscally liberal and extremely socially conservative. That's not how I want this country to roll.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bioman
    fiscally liberal and extremely socially conservative. That's not how I want this country to roll.
    I'm the exact opposite Fiscally conservative and socially liberal (not socially liberal on all things though, like immigration...by socially liberal, I mean gov't not interfering with my freggin' life if I wanna have anal sex with three wives, wives who are all married to each other, etc...lol)

  9. Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER
    You don't realize how true this ALREADY is.

    Do you believe there actually is a school district in which it is now a rule that ALL principles have to learn Spanish. They have 3 years, any who do not will lose their jobs.


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    There is so much money being wasted each day just to accomodate these "Illegals".

    We print dual languaged signs, machines and look at the schools....... We pay for healthcare, then we accept their children as natives.

    We give them freaking licenses to drive???? WTF?

    Their inability to recognize American culture and adapt to it should not be our cost and problem.

    The wall must be built. We are spending far more without it.

  10. I'm the same Kwyck..that's why I bring it up. I don't want to live in a uptight conservative socialist situation. Mostly, I want to be left alone and not have to pay a fortune for this right.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bioman
    I totally understand your frustration Red, it's not about race for me. If Norway and Ireland illegally immigrated here and started making demands..I'd happily boot my distant ancestors out (well maybe the hot Norweigan girls could stay..but everyone else GTFO).
    They do. Get kicking.

    There's a healthy population of illegal Irish here in New York. Unfortunately they own or work in all the best bars, so kicking them out is not an option. I'd happily kick any illegal Dutch people out of the US, but apparently they're too stoned to fly here, so my ancestry is moderately safe for now.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
    What it boils down to is anyone in favor of illegal aliens wants an open boarder.
    Not necessarily. I'm for totally open borders, but only once all property has been privatized. After all the door to my house is open to all in general, they just need to keep in mind I may be a "home defense" type of guy. In our current state of affairs it would take as big a government mechanism to close the borders as it would to keep them open, so the issue boils down to cultural protection and principle I think.

  13. Good discussion. It is amazing that many of us feel similarly about this, or maybe it's not so amazing at all.

    I'm a fiscally conservative social ibertarian on many issues, but I believe in borders and sensible legislation. The outrage of LEGAL immigrants to this country says it all, and I wish their (true) voices were heard in the media (not the stirred-up politicized illegal rallying embraced by the pandering politicians scared to death to be tagged as "racist" unless they express total accomodation for illegals).

    I'm a SoCal resident too, so it hits home pretty hard.

    On one hand, I totally understand the desire of people to come to this country and pursue a better life (and I'd do the same). The great fact is that it should be necessarry to do so within the parameters of the US laws. And it is incumbent on this country to enforce those laws.

  14. And the peaceful protests continue...I've not heard about what is really going on on the news, however.

    Put it this way...Oceanside, today, in short: mexican's (mostly high school age, but middle and grade school as well with parents, driving with trashed american flags and waving mexican flags, yelling **** you white people and chating "mexico, mexico", and there was swat and life-flight around there...however, this is all i see inthe news (disgusting...) http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006...1906125114.txt

    I'm pissed off...i swear i'm about to start carrying a bat in my car, I don't see this getting better. Its entirely a racist move on their part...nothing less than absolutely racist, anti-white/american.

    This isn't about 'a better life' to many people, its similar to the palestinians and their view of the israelis. Hell, I've already heard (I think it was la razza) making that parallel.

    edit; says something about 200 students, lol...understatement of the year?
    Last edited by kwyckemynd00; 03-29-2006 at 11:38 PM.

  15. F*ckin' Cholos. Shut your traps and get back to work (and school). I think it's funny that these kids think that they should protest about being treated unfairly when these kids parents pay no taxes, get free health care and other necessities. And they say "My parents break their backs to put food on the table." Reality check, most parents do that, not just yours. Doesn't garner any sympathy from me, sorry.

    I was listening to the radio on the way to work a few days ago and they mentioned a survey that a good number of Americans viewed Mexicans as a honest, hard-working people. When the sides were changed, Mexicans viewed Americans as racists who wish to exploit Mexicans. They said, "I think we should do that. They already think we're doing that, might as well live up to their expectations."

  16. Quote Originally Posted by UHCougar05
    I was listening to the radio on the way to work a few days ago and they mentioned a survey that a good number of Americans viewed Mexicans as a honest, hard-working people. When the sides were changed, Mexicans viewed Americans as racists who wish to exploit Mexicans. They said, "I think we should do that. They already think we're doing that, might as well live up to their expectations."
    Exactly! I don't know that it would be so successful in domestic and international affairs, but on a personal level when someone you've been treating very well thinks you're an *******, behaving according to their expectations is an eye opener for them and very satisfying for you. Or me at the very least, when I've done such things. To girlfriends and exgirlfriends especially.

  17. Another interesting thing about the people protesting is that they carry the Cesar Chavez flag with the united farmworkers eagle and they don't even know or care to acknowledge that Cesar Chavez was against illegal immigration because it would ultimately hurt the legal immigrant working class he fought to protect., what shame.

  18. Yeah, Ceasar was far too shrewd to be involved in a cluster hump like this.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
    Another interesting thing about the people protesting is that they carry the Cesar Chavez flag with the united farmworkers eagle and they don't even know or care to acknowledge that Cesar Chavez was against illegal immigration because it would ultimately hurt the legal immigrant working class he fought to protect., what shame.
    Most likely they choose to ignore because the full truth might hurt their cause.Chavez was an icon of legal immigrant solidarity...emphasis on legal.If you brought this to their attention, then they might accuse Cesar Chavez of being a Tio Tomas because he is anti illegal immigrant and is "selling out" his people or some bs nonsense like that. Who knows?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by UHCougar05
    Most likely they choose to ignore because the full truth might hurt their cause.Chavez was an icon of legal immigrant solidarity...emphasis on legal.If you brought this to their attention, then they might accuse Cesar Chavez of being a Tio Tomas because he is anti illegal immigrant and is "selling out" his people or some bs nonsense like that. Who knows?
    Yeah I thought about it but you'd probably hear about me on the news for being beaten at a "peaceful protest" LOL

  21. Not necessarily. I'm for totally open borders, but only once all property has been privatized. After all the door to my house is open to all in general, they just need to keep in mind I may be a "home defense" type of guy. In our current state of affairs it would take as big a government mechanism to close the borders as it would to keep them open, so the issue boils down to cultural protection and principle I think.
    Are you seriously for open boarders?

  22. In our current state of affairs it would take as big a government mechanism to close the borders as it would to keep them open, so the issue boils down to cultural protection and principle I think
    We would need to build a wall, totally overhaul INS( which should have been done after 9-11), have more boarder agents, use the national guard to back them up, give local law enforcing the power to arrest and detain people who are illegal, and go after companies that hire illegals. As it stands now if a patrol officers see a bunch of suspicious looking guys who can't speak English they can't do anything about it. There was a law enforcement official on the news talking about the MS-13 gangs that are bad in L.A. He sees people that are in the gang and have been deported but have come back in the country but there is nothing they do about it until they commit a crime.

  23. The oceanside schoool districtcancelled school for the rest of the week...what a load of crap!

    This is 4 miles north of my place...

  24. Quote Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
    Are you seriously for open boarders?
    If all property is privatized, yes. think about it, if all property is private the only way someone is coming over here is if they can secure a living of some kind or have been invited by someone else, or if they're planning of living in the streets. And by open of course I don't mean just come on in open, but learn our language, get a few vacinations and sit through a background check to make sure you're not a criminal or terrorist kind of open. If someone comes here and fails at building a life, commits a crime or whatever, deport them. If they manage to use their time productively, get a job etc., they're adding to our society and there's no reason to deny them entry.

  25. I'm pretty pessimistic but I don't think it will go down quite like that. we're in for some troubling times in the next 5 years as gas prices will surge again, this will slow down the economy for awhile until technology and willpower finds new ways to boogey.

    I feel that the unprecidented cushy lifestyle we have all been reared in is a great motivater for peace. Yes, there will be conflicts, riots et cetera but I think the collective will of billions of people trying to keep this cushy globalized lifestyle together will be a silent, but powerful force to be reckoned with.

    There will always be dissidents, culture clashes and the like, but I believe firmly that the average joe just wants to live his life without the hardships of perpetual warfare...and there are no harder hardships than that.

    but yeah, I could be wrong.
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