Loving the "peaceful" immigration protests...
- 03-29-2006, 03:26 PM
I am in San Diego and this crap is really pissing me off. These freaking kids have no idea what they are protesting either.
They are causing traffic problems around here, littering, just being stupid.
I had 2 cars stolen by illegal imigrants, yes I do know they were illegal (i caught both of them)...UGH
- 03-29-2006, 03:48 PM
VG- I agree. Yeah, they'll be voters someday..but neither party can conform to their overall philosophies..fiscally liberal and extremely socially conservative. That's not how I want this country to roll.
03-29-2006, 04:22 PM
I'm the exact opposite Fiscally conservative and socially liberal (not socially liberal on all things though, like immigration...by socially liberal, I mean gov't not interfering with my freggin' life if I wanna have anal sex with three wives, wives who are all married to each other, etc...lol)Originally Posted by bioman
03-29-2006, 04:33 PM
There is so much money being wasted each day just to accomodate these "Illegals".Originally Posted by CROWLER
We print dual languaged signs, machines and look at the schools....... We pay for healthcare, then we accept their children as natives.
We give them freaking licenses to drive???? WTF?
Their inability to recognize American culture and adapt to it should not be our cost and problem.
The wall must be built. We are spending far more without it.
03-29-2006, 04:44 PM
I'm the same Kwyck..that's why I bring it up. I don't want to live in a uptight conservative socialist situation. Mostly, I want to be left alone and not have to pay a fortune for this right.
03-29-2006, 06:40 PM
They do. Get kicking.Originally Posted by bioman
There's a healthy population of illegal Irish here in New York. Unfortunately they own or work in all the best bars, so kicking them out is not an option. I'd happily kick any illegal Dutch people out of the US, but apparently they're too stoned to fly here, so my ancestry is moderately safe for now.
03-29-2006, 06:43 PM
Not necessarily. I'm for totally open borders, but only once all property has been privatized. After all the door to my house is open to all in general, they just need to keep in mind I may be a "home defense" type of guy. In our current state of affairs it would take as big a government mechanism to close the borders as it would to keep them open, so the issue boils down to cultural protection and principle I think.Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
03-29-2006, 07:59 PM
Good discussion. It is amazing that many of us feel similarly about this, or maybe it's not so amazing at all.
I'm a fiscally conservative social ibertarian on many issues, but I believe in borders and sensible legislation. The outrage of LEGAL immigrants to this country says it all, and I wish their (true) voices were heard in the media (not the stirred-up politicized illegal rallying embraced by the pandering politicians scared to death to be tagged as "racist" unless they express total accomodation for illegals).
I'm a SoCal resident too, so it hits home pretty hard.
On one hand, I totally understand the desire of people to come to this country and pursue a better life (and I'd do the same). The great fact is that it should be necessarry to do so within the parameters of the US laws. And it is incumbent on this country to enforce those laws.
03-29-2006, 10:23 PM
And the peaceful protests continue...I've not heard about what is really going on on the news, however.
Put it this way...Oceanside, today, in short: mexican's (mostly high school age, but middle and grade school as well with parents, driving with trashed american flags and waving mexican flags, yelling **** you white people and chating "mexico, mexico", and there was swat and life-flight around there...however, this is all i see inthe news (disgusting...) http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006...1906125114.txt
I'm pissed off...i swear i'm about to start carrying a bat in my car, I don't see this getting better. Its entirely a racist move on their part...nothing less than absolutely racist, anti-white/american.
This isn't about 'a better life' to many people, its similar to the palestinians and their view of the israelis. Hell, I've already heard (I think it was la razza) making that parallel.
edit; says something about 200 students, lol...understatement of the year?
Last edited by kwyckemynd00; 03-29-2006 at 10:38 PM.
03-29-2006, 10:51 PM
F*ckin' Cholos. Shut your traps and get back to work (and school). I think it's funny that these kids think that they should protest about being treated unfairly when these kids parents pay no taxes, get free health care and other necessities. And they say "My parents break their backs to put food on the table." Reality check, most parents do that, not just yours. Doesn't garner any sympathy from me, sorry.
I was listening to the radio on the way to work a few days ago and they mentioned a survey that a good number of Americans viewed Mexicans as a honest, hard-working people. When the sides were changed, Mexicans viewed Americans as racists who wish to exploit Mexicans. They said, "I think we should do that. They already think we're doing that, might as well live up to their expectations."
03-30-2006, 12:04 PM
Exactly! I don't know that it would be so successful in domestic and international affairs, but on a personal level when someone you've been treating very well thinks you're an *******, behaving according to their expectations is an eye opener for them and very satisfying for you. Or me at the very least, when I've done such things. To girlfriends and exgirlfriends especially.Originally Posted by UHCougar05
03-30-2006, 01:44 PM
Another interesting thing about the people protesting is that they carry the Cesar Chavez flag with the united farmworkers eagle and they don't even know or care to acknowledge that Cesar Chavez was against illegal immigration because it would ultimately hurt the legal immigrant working class he fought to protect., what shame.
03-30-2006, 01:46 PM
03-30-2006, 01:53 PM
Most likely they choose to ignore because the full truth might hurt their cause.Chavez was an icon of legal immigrant solidarity...emphasis on legal.If you brought this to their attention, then they might accuse Cesar Chavez of being a Tio Tomas because he is anti illegal immigrant and is "selling out" his people or some bs nonsense like that. Who knows?Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
03-30-2006, 01:57 PM
Yeah I thought about it but you'd probably hear about me on the news for being beaten at a "peaceful protest" LOLOriginally Posted by UHCougar05
03-30-2006, 02:30 PM
Are you seriously for open boarders?Not necessarily. I'm for totally open borders, but only once all property has been privatized. After all the door to my house is open to all in general, they just need to keep in mind I may be a "home defense" type of guy. In our current state of affairs it would take as big a government mechanism to close the borders as it would to keep them open, so the issue boils down to cultural protection and principle I think.
03-30-2006, 02:40 PM
We would need to build a wall, totally overhaul INS( which should have been done after 9-11), have more boarder agents, use the national guard to back them up, give local law enforcing the power to arrest and detain people who are illegal, and go after companies that hire illegals. As it stands now if a patrol officers see a bunch of suspicious looking guys who can't speak English they can't do anything about it. There was a law enforcement official on the news talking about the MS-13 gangs that are bad in L.A. He sees people that are in the gang and have been deported but have come back in the country but there is nothing they do about it until they commit a crime.In our current state of affairs it would take as big a government mechanism to close the borders as it would to keep them open, so the issue boils down to cultural protection and principle I think
03-30-2006, 02:46 PM
The oceanside schoool districtcancelled school for the rest of the week...what a load of crap!
This is 4 miles north of my place...
03-30-2006, 03:36 PM
If all property is privatized, yes. think about it, if all property is private the only way someone is coming over here is if they can secure a living of some kind or have been invited by someone else, or if they're planning of living in the streets. And by open of course I don't mean just come on in open, but learn our language, get a few vacinations and sit through a background check to make sure you're not a criminal or terrorist kind of open. If someone comes here and fails at building a life, commits a crime or whatever, deport them. If they manage to use their time productively, get a job etc., they're adding to our society and there's no reason to deny them entry.Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
03-30-2006, 04:51 PM
I'm pretty pessimistic but I don't think it will go down quite like that. we're in for some troubling times in the next 5 years as gas prices will surge again, this will slow down the economy for awhile until technology and willpower finds new ways to boogey.
I feel that the unprecidented cushy lifestyle we have all been reared in is a great motivater for peace. Yes, there will be conflicts, riots et cetera but I think the collective will of billions of people trying to keep this cushy globalized lifestyle together will be a silent, but powerful force to be reckoned with.
There will always be dissidents, culture clashes and the like, but I believe firmly that the average joe just wants to live his life without the hardships of perpetual warfare...and there are no harder hardships than that.
but yeah, I could be wrong.
03-30-2006, 05:38 PM
I'm not as optimistic as Bio, because I don't think enough people know what gets them that cushy lifestyle to fight for or against the right or wrong ideas/people respectively. I don't like saying it, but the US will go down the tubes like every other nation eventually. I doubt it'll be soon, but I do think a sharp economic depression would stir up the beginings of the end.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
03-30-2006, 10:07 PM
LOL...Dude, we're all for open borders in a near-utopian society heheOriginally Posted by CDB
But as things are NOW...you still for open borders? (I'm not looking for a hypothetical, I wan't to know what you really think we should do AT THIS POINT)
03-31-2006, 10:52 AM
Right now I'm for the deportation of every single illegal that can be spotted regardless of whether or not they've committed another crime. I'm for the denial of any and all federal funds to states that have sancutary cities. I'm for proof of citizenship before you get to benefit from any government aid whatsoever, and the denial of any and all privileges, such as driver's licenses, to illegals. I'm for significant fining and imprisoning of employers who hire illegals, and for the use of tear gas and other crowd control measures on all the pathetic peaceful demonstraters. I'm for an ammendment to the Constitution if necessary to establish English as the primary language of the US, and for routing the schools clean of politically correct and culturally sensitive BS and returning them to basics: reading writing, math and history. I'm leary of putting the National Guard on the borde.r Very quickly their role would shift from stopping illegal immigration to drug interdiction, and pretty soon after that the military would be polcing all Americans. Short answer for the borders is to build a wall, the Great Wall of Texas, and give the border patrol the manpower to properly patrol it and the authority to shoot first, ask questions never, at anyone who's caught trying to cross anywhere but a recognized entry point. Coast Guard should ge adequate funding to patrol the shores from Florida to the beginning of the wall, and also up the west coast far enough that rigged floating devices can't make it reliably.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
03-31-2006, 03:18 PM
03-31-2006, 08:12 PM
offer them state hood. i love how the government is so fast to say.. OH THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE PORTS DEAL!!! and then they do something about it.. but more freaking people want people to come in via the ways of the law.. and we want them to do something about it.. and just like prop 187, and the effort to control these people back in the 80's will fail. It wont matter.. nor should it.. bush made katrina distroy NO and now the border jumpers are building it and will live there...
these people do not want to be americans.... this is where i dislike bush..
also.. if bush's idea goes through.. we do then position oursleves to control drilling etc of the new large oil find in the Gulf...
I have a feeling this is a cover for something though.. keep your eyes open to small print media and see if there is something "interesting" that is going on that will come through the back door.
04-01-2006, 04:38 PM
04-01-2006, 04:50 PM
It's something I considered, but left out. Looking at the government recommended diets and food pyramids over the years, not to mention it's something they should have thought of already and instead still have kids square dancing in gym and eating chips and soda in the cafeterias, I left it out. I just think they'd screw it up beyond belief.Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
04-03-2006, 02:38 PM
Good points. Unfortunately, the state thinks it knows everything and therefore square dancing is considered essential. However, a teacher does not have to teach square dancing, the teacher has to meet the state standard requirements (at least in California it works this way) so instead of square dancing I teach swimming because it requires patterns and rhythm, which is what the standards dictate. My students are also exposed to fitness concepts in my class and they are mandated to get at least 30 minutes of moderate to intense physical activity. Best thing to do is complain to your state authorities.Originally Posted by CDB
Lastly, the school food is a tremendous issue, I always hear the lipservice of "we want healthy kids" but unfortunately, schools get a good chunk of money from junk food revenue. Best way to fight this is through educating parents and students, you'd be surprised at how many high school students don't know how to read food labels or know the difference between high GI carbs and low GI carbs.
04-03-2006, 05:51 PM
If anything can save this education system or at least stop it from turning to sludge, it'll be people like you. Keep up the good work.Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
04-03-2006, 08:31 PM
I get to go do some survey work down by the border tomorrow. Should be interesting especially at night.
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