Could this be the beginning of WW111?
Could this be the beginning of WW111?
WW3? Only if everyone fights eachother over the gas that was coming out of the country.
time to get those subsidized farms growing corn for biodiesel
we should all wear special bags that will gather our own gas we make.. then we can hand turn that to power our cars etc... so yeah?
No. Personally, I'm convinced World War 3 will begin in and about North Korea. World War 3 will be between China and the US.
Originally Posted by The Experiment
I can't beleive US and China will ever go to war with each other. Too much at stake in terms of economy.
And also i doubt there will ever be a full scale nuclear war...both countries would be scared of getting f**** up (M.A.D. Mutually Assured Destruction)
China has enough petrol reserve for a couple of weeks. It has no viable blue water navy. The peerless US Navy can easily close off the South East Asia sealane choke points. No oil coming in, and the commies would not last 2 weeks!! They may have to take their bikes to go get their nukes. And we have 50-100X more nukes then they have. On top of that, we have Aegies Theater Anti Missile systems off the coast of North Korea. We can swap their nukes back down to rain on their heads.
The Commies are not dummies. Despite the hot air they love to pump regularly, the politburo is not keen on picking a fight with the US anytime soon. They know they have no chance whatsoever. They are outclassed in every way. If they went for the nuclear option, that would be the end of the Middle Kingdom.
Well, China said they'll try to prevent a war on Iran so if you mess with Iran, you mess with China.
Kim Jong-Il and his dynasty will lead to problems. If North Korea goes away, the US will back South Korea to make Korea. China will want to claim North Korea for themselves because of the minerals there.
In my opinion, thats why its best we try to appease Iran and North Korea. We need to calm down our bloodlust and start thinking of viable solutions because war is not one of them.
Let's see if I can remember my history , Chamberlain appeased Hilter and gave him part of Europe and that only encouraged him to go further as this was perceived as acts of weakness.. I am under the impression the FANATICS in Iran ,and the lunatic in North Korea.. are in the same category .. I mean if they do to their own people BARBARIC acts .. do you think they would hesitate for a minute on unleashing anything horrific on other innocent people on this planet .. these goverments cannot be appeased..
It's only a matter of time..... We will be the United States Of Europe.... The US Dollar is declining and the US economy will crash and Europe will pick up the pieces...... That's going to happen if we start another war..... We can't borrow much more money than we already have..... If this all happens, it will be felt around the world..... Then again, what the hell do I know.
North Korea can definitely be appeased. Just give them food and they'll calm down.
Its not a matter of appeasement really as it is not having the same elbow room as past wars. A lot has changed since last century. The US is so deep in debt that we can't afford to piss off nations like Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, or any serious lenders.
The US just can't storm into other nations just because. Iraq has basically ruined that from ever happening again.
So the best solution is to appease and settle these rogue nations down until the US can repay debt or international consensus is to attack these nations.
The US is so deep in debt that we can't afford to piss off nations like Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, or any serious lenders.
see no that isn't true. tho we are in debt. these nations economies would bust if we stopped. our debt is what keeps them alive. and even then, the aspect of "debt" is shady to some economists
Well, this one-world economy as you propose regularly would jeopardize the US's position. More and more countries are using the Euro for their finances, mostly due to its stability.Originally Posted by MaynardMeek
The bottom line is that its dangerous for the US to be ****ing around in either North Korea or Iran. They're hated by everyone but they're backed by powerful nations, nations that we're deep in debt with.
Thats why I'm convinced war with Iran and North Korea is impossible, unless the US wants to commit financial suicide. If action is to be taken on these nations, it would have to be started by someone else.
I agree with that, we cannot go it alone anymore .. the other ** allies ** need to step up and help shoulder the burden of controlling these maniacs.. The gulf countries are extremley nervous about the prospect of Iran having nukes.. Iran could blackmail them into helping their cause.. North Korea is cause for concern, but they are located so far far away as to have no impact on world economies.. But don't think for a minute they would not hesitate to give terrorists a nuke device ,or Iran for that matter.. If a nuclear device would be dentonated in a city in Europe or US .. If those countries can trace that back to the state sponsors .. We would see that country hit with a designated nuke strike also ... The scenario could quickly escalate out of control.. Israel everyone knows has nukes ..if they are attacked by Iran with one.. they would hit back double that.. the Mideast would go up in flames after that.. very scarey scenarios either way..
Thanks for the link, but that website seems to have alot of conspiracy and speculation as its base. If we do end up going to war with Iran, it won't be for a while. And I don't think it will involve nuclear weapons.
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your points are valid But the reality of the situations are in the heads of these states. Yes, if the united states went in a lone to either nations ( which as we see via UN support is not that case) and conducted an operation that the world and the people of these nations are against .. would be taking a gun to our head.. killing us for a good 6 years. You can keep North Korea's government calm. Just let them yell once and a while and feed them some rice. But Iran's new leader is not stable.. Not even stable enough for those that live around him. And his own people are losing their taste of him. It is why dubai and the rest of the UAE has given us even better military access to Iran. The world, and its economy, does not feel safe with these people in any sort of power.. I think we will find that the only "friends" that these nations sort of have IE Russia, China, will wish to save their voices for a cause that would be better for them. They all know that they will be able to get a better cut of the pie here if they go along with the rest of the world.... and if they fight us in the process, they get nothing. It just isn't good buisness at this point....
EDIT: and for what it is worth. I think that right now we are in WWIII
Does anyone remember on 9/11 the feeling when you were looking at the live feeds and thinking this can't be happening to us.. Nuke weapons in these lunatics hands would make that look miniscule.. You are talking about people that turn themselves into human bombs and chop peoples friggin heads off.. This is a scarey age we are heading into ..
I agree. Europe, namely France and Germany, needs to start stepping up. I think the US, Europe, Australia, South Korea, and Japan are powerful enough to contain Iran, Russia, and China. However it seems like only the US, UK, and Australia are willing to step up. France might. Germany has been a silent ally in the war in Iraq (based on new reports) but if they make themselves more visible, it'll happen.
I don't think we need to deal with North Korea in a war. We should feed them. By feeding them, their people will be able to become stronger. The US and South Korea are doing a joint venture called Radio Free Asia. Many North Koreans own a radio. RFA is meant to tell the truth on the world. With well fed people, they will in time start rebelling against Kim Jong-il. The government hates Kim Jong-il so getting rid of him will be easy. The nation will still be Communist but I guarantee you the next ruler will not be a total ass and start bringing up the standards of Human rights in NK.
Thats another good point about Iran. I think we should start funding the secular factions of Iran. Make deals with them, like we give them some financial aid once they're in power. Overthrow the radical Islam and then there won't be constant bullying of Israel. The only nation that would be evil would be Syria. The Hamas party is backed by Iran and Syria. So without Iranian aid, Palestinian extremists will be reduced.
This is what I mean by appeasement. I don't think war is an option because it just gives these ****s a reason to live.
Europe is doing a good job thus far. Even France is on board with us here on this... I have a good feeling this will be dealt with, with out any sort of STRONG introduction of military power... but.. if anyone strikes first.. or has a right to.. its israel.. i can see some missles going into their plants etc.. then everyone getting all bent out of shape.. a few hundred people blow themselves up.. then israel takes back all "their" land.. do a lil detention like we did to the japanese back in WW2.. yada yada yada, blamo boomo I am elected king of the Whicker People
Originally Posted by MaynardMeek