- 02-08-2006, 12:07 PM
I am not a big political person. But i would say that I am like a Liberman Democrat but i watched the funeral for Mrs. King and i was really upset that Carter, a rev. and clinton used their time to talk about Mrs. king to bash bush. Carter even said that MLK had his phones secretly wiretapped and try to pin it on a people like bush, when the people that did it to MLK was JFK, RFK and Johnson, all democrats. I am really upset with the direction my party is going and I just wanted to get this out in the open
- 02-08-2006, 12:37 PM
Originally Posted by Squeaks4ver
Have you ever been to or heard of a funeral with such soapbox bull****, what the hell kind of mochery was it to have applause and cheer at a freakin funeral. A funeral is for honoring the dead, President Bush was there for the same reason as everyone else and RESPECT for Mrs. King was not adhered to by the **** that went on there. Also, how dare Ted Kennedy bash on anyone and bring up JFK when JFK tapped the phones of MLK. Teddy (I hate that guy) is a at fault for a innocent girl dying, whether that makes him a murderer or atleast some sort of felon, he should have been convicted of something for his actions; he has no place in critisizing anyone due to the life he has lived.
- 02-08-2006, 12:55 PM
I was just making fun of that 6 freakin hour spectacle !!! I was interested to see if any of my AM family was going to say anything about it, and you guys did. I was appalled about how it was handled, and how many people got on a soapbox, and defamed a honoring ceremony with their malarkey stances. God Bless Mrs. King, and your contributions as well as your Husband's will never be forgotten by myself.
02-09-2006, 01:45 AM
i always knew there was hope for you yet laur. I agree some people have really disrespected the memory of two of the greatest humans this world has had the honor of giving birth to. I am pround of Clinton though. Though he said the EXACT same speach that he used for an egyptian mummy, it still let every one understand that a person was inside that box, NOT a political symbol
02-09-2006, 03:10 AM
I didn't see it, but it doesn't surprise me in the lease, this is becoming commonplace.
Don't get me wrong, I think the republicans are garbage, but the (well-known) democrats are much worse about politicizing tragedies...its really dispicable...grotesque actually. And I hope to God that my moronic fellow citizens can see through Hillary (aka Lucifer) when '08 comes around. Its not much to ask...I'm positive at least 50.01% of dogs would bark vehomently at Hillary if she walked through the front door, even if she had a steak...all that just based off of gut instinct! So, hoping that my fellow hairless primates will use their gut instinct when in the presence of true evil and take a pass on their big slice of socialism pie on election day '08 okay, okay, okay, rant over....
edit: Just to clear things up, Bill isn't pure evil like his captor Hillary is...I don't hate him Actually, I'm sure if I were talkign to him right now about the subject at hand, he'd tell me..."kwycke, I feel yoru pain."
02-09-2006, 10:59 AM
i think bill is going to take a taste of his "wifes" presidential run. get all watery in the mouth and end up running again for the position.
02-09-2006, 12:08 PM
02-09-2006, 12:08 PM
I agree. Instead of honoring King and her legacy, they used a worldwide tv audience to bash Bush on eavesdropping! WMDs! This is a freakin funeral!Originally Posted by Squeaks4ver
I actually think Bill Clinton had the best line....(pointing at the coffin, he said), "lets not forget theres a body in their"!
02-09-2006, 12:18 PM
he can run again, he just cant run more than two in a row i thought
pointing at the coffin, he said), "lets not forget theres a body in their"!I agree but he is heartless. he said the same thing about a mummy back when he was in office and egypt was trying to get their kings back, he gave almost the exact same presentation. EDWARDS 08! and i'll be his monica!
02-09-2006, 12:24 PM
02-09-2006, 03:04 PM
Nope, Clintons poitical future is over. Unless ofcourse he runs for congress or the senate. He wouldnt be the first to be a congressman or senator after being President, but it wont happen.Originally Posted by Squeaks4ver
As for you being Edwards Monica, just dont brag about about it to your friends. And, do your laundry!
02-09-2006, 03:26 PM
The democrats never cease to amaze me. When most people think of the King's and Civil rights they identify with democrats. All they needed to do is make a few speeches about the kings and they would walk away with a few favorable percentage points. Instead they shot them selves in the foot. Aside from a few people on the fringe left who believe that we went to war in Iraq because of Halliburton, 9-11 was a covert US government operation, and we blew up the damns in Louisiana on purpose, most people will view this negatively. Even if people don't like Bush if they half a brain in their head they will know that there is a time and place for expressing your political views and it's not at a funeral.
02-09-2006, 03:27 PM
He could be the first man of the white house however........Nope, Clintons poitical future is over. Unless ofcourse he runs for congress or the senate. He wouldnt be the first to be a congressman or senator after being President, but it wont happen.
02-09-2006, 04:02 PM
Very true, BUT I don't think you'll see too much of it on major news networks, at least not portrayed the way it should be.Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
02-09-2006, 04:29 PM
I honestly dont believe Hillary would get enough votes, especially in the bible belt.Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
I would rather see the first woman president be a black woman.
Condi in '08.
02-09-2006, 04:31 PM
Ive been watching the news all day for the past few days and I havent seen any of the major news org. talk at length of the Bush bashing. There was a little blurb on drudgereport.com, but thats about it.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
02-09-2006, 04:46 PM
Don't forget that Bush steered those hurricanes to their landing points in order to devistate the poor and blacks in particular. (This according to Louis Farahkhan et al...)Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
02-09-2006, 05:11 PM
Thus the reason the lazy people are ignorant to the truth. They expect and believe that news orgs will tell them the truth, and give us news when it happens....oh, how foolish some ppl can be
02-09-2006, 05:41 PM
02-09-2006, 06:14 PM
Would you like to tell us why?Originally Posted by Apowerz6
People say horrible things about Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas. I don't understand why. More black (any race really) kids should look up to these people instead of p diddy and kanye west. The fact that they trash these two great successful people just shows how destructive that culture is.
02-09-2006, 06:20 PM
-You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to brogers again.Originally Posted by brogers
^ bummer...Good post!
The only line of defense is that they're not 'black' they're "uncle toms" and will "sell out" the black community....or they're "political tools of the white republicans" etc....just lame stuff
02-09-2006, 06:24 PM
They are villified in the press because they do not conform to the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton liberal political mold. They are never recognized for their actual "life" accomplishments, but rather attacked for their political affiliation. No matter what side of the aisle an individual occupies, I believe he or she can be respected for his/her work and success--especially as African-Americans worthy of role-model status.Originally Posted by brogers
02-09-2006, 06:30 PM
Yes, it's pretty ridiculous how people let political affiliation affect them. That guy said he'd prefer David Duke over Condi. Regardless of his seriousness in that statement, it shows how deeply rooted the problem is. People let their political party decide what they think, instead of using their own mind.Originally Posted by milwood
02-09-2006, 06:42 PM
So, you would rather vote for David Duke....Here are some of his quotes:Originally Posted by Apowerz6
"What we really want to do is to be left alone. We don't want Negroes around. We don't need Negroes around. We're not asking you know, we don't want to have them, you know, for our culture. We simply want our own country and our own society. That's in no way exploitive at all. We want our own society, our own nation...."
"White people don't need a law against rape, but if you fill this room up with your normal black bucks, you would, because niggers are basically primitive animals."
"It's really the Jew Marxists who see the nigger as their instrument, as their bullets, by which to destroy our society." "Of course you know the miracle of AIDS, we all do. It's the only disease that turns fruits into vegetables."
Maybe you might want to rethink your position.
02-09-2006, 07:26 PM
I stand by my view, i know where David Duke stands. And i think i am one of the most conservative blacks i know. I will give you a pass about Kanye, as if you heard his cd he does have positive messsages mixed in with his flossiness. As for my political affliated ness or what ever you stated i am not a democrat nor a republican, i have voted for dems and repubs. My problem with Rice is that she is a scapegoat, who will take over a mess of lies KNOWING ITS WRONG. so what about her past accomplishments, what is she doing now? Yes bossing for A man who has us in a war that we will never win. I wont get into what the war is about etc, the point is we will never win. And for her foreign policy kissing ass to justify our being there to other nations sickens me. Clarence Thomas i have no problem with, he just got caught making her-ass-ing statements.
David Duke makes me laugh as his quotes mean nothing to me because, he has no real power, he is a has been, and the klan's numbers have been lowering and rising, and now lowering... Plus being urban is the thing to be, as the culture of predominance is urban, so really would David Duke be effective? Rice is a piece of work all the way around, who would never represent me and my values, if she is not willing to make a stand.
And by the way i hate diddy !!! he is a waste of space as a human, but his fashion designs are nice...
Brogers are you suggesting the African American Race needs role models? to idolize???
and lastly Kwyck my race is me not what defines me
Last edited by Apowerz6; 02-09-2006 at 08:16 PM.
02-09-2006, 08:30 PM
What culture are you talking about? Are you talking about the hip hop culture that encompasess many races, cultures, religions, etc, or are you talking about the black culture?Originally Posted by brogers
To understand why i say what i say about Duke one has to know my background... which would take a long book itself. To compare myself to someone i would compare myself to Aaron Mcgruder of Boondocks fame. I recognize the uneveness of black culture compared to others, but I also recognize the way in which one can correct it, and not let that handicap them. Now, in all honesty i was cracking but facting (ebonics for all those who are ebonics challenged) (joking, but sorta of telling the truth) I would never vote for David Duke because he is evil, and stands for nothing good, but i would never vote for rice because she stands for nothing, what platforms has she spoken on, what has she made a stand on any political offices, besides the cabinet postion that one can be appointed to? What has she shown me, or the masses who wants her to run??? Why would you vote for her, because she is articulate? because she is safe? because she went to an ivy league school, or becasue she is a role model? So the **** what!!! The point still remains she has YET to stand for anything for me to support her. NOW Barack Obama on the other hand would be great, but he knows his place...
02-09-2006, 10:36 PM
It was a reference to the hip hop culture (or ghetto/thug culture whatever you want to call it), which of course many people are part of it, including many blacks. I personally don't give 2 ****s about role models, as I think the parents should be the main influence in a child's life. However, we see a lot of children, particularly black, idolizing rappers and athletes who don't always possess good character. Those parents crying out when an athlete their kid looked up to cheats on his wife or gets busted with drugs should be telling their children to look to people like Dr. Rice and Justice Thomas. Both of whom have outstanding character, and possess many traits that breed success.Originally Posted by Apowerz6
Regarding Dr. Rice, how do you know she doesn't AGREE with the President's ideas. Where does your assumption she's simply a "yes-man" (or yes-woman ) come from? You can examine her past history in politics and what organizations she was a part of and see that she didn't suddenly give up what she believed in to take the National Security Advisor job.
Additionally, you, I, and pretty much anybody besides the President or Dr. Rice themselves doesn't know what actually goes on in their discussions. She could disagree with him on every point for all we know. What goes on behind closed doors is far different than what we hear at press conferences. If Dr. Rice has a disagreement with the President, I'm sure she handles that with him privately, not in the media, don't you think? I wouldn't expect Dr. Rice to start trashing the President in the NY Times anytime soon.
I never said I would vote for her, I never said I wouldn't vote for her. I personally think it's stupid to try and make a decision on how I think she would serve the United States as President this early on. Apparently you disagree, since you've already decided she would be a horrible President despite demonstrating you don't know what she stands for, not that she stands for nothing as you said.
To me, it looked like you passed judgement on her for no reason other than the media/a political party/or something told you she would be a bad President. The information you presented justifying your posistion on Dr. Rice was baseless. This is why it appeared as if you're blindly following something you've been told.
No I don't know that much about Kanye West, other than he made a complete ass of himself on a benefit for hurricane victims by turning it into his personal political show. Sorry, but I have a serious problem with anyone promoting racial-warfare (same goes for class-warfare)
His CD? Haven't heard his new one, but doesn't one song on his old CD glorify drug dealing? "We don't care" is the title. Honestly that's the only song I remember from his old CD because a guy I worked with used to listen to it all the time.
I don't know if I'd consider "Golddigger" to be sending a positive message either. Women are only after money in his eyes?
02-10-2006, 11:57 AM
Obviously we agree to disagree, and thats fine, keep living and life will unfold in front of your eyes.
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