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    Patrick Arnold's lab and home raided


    Federal agents raid Illinois lab linked to BALCO steroid
    Chemist suspected of creating drug called 'the clear'

    Mark Fainaru-Wada, Chronicle Staff Writer

    Friday, September 30, 2005


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    Federal agents Thursday raided an Illinois laboratory where the steroid that ignited the BALCO scandal is suspected to have been created -- signaling that the three-year investigation is continuing.

    In raids led by the Internal Revenue Service-Criminal Investigation division, search warrants were served on the Champaign, Ill., offices and home of chemist Patrick Arnold, who authorities believe produced the steroid that came to be known as "the clear" in the BALCO case.

    A spokeswoman for IRS-CI's Chicago office confirmed the agency was on "official business" in Champaign but offered no further details. Lt. Ed Ogle of the Champaign County sheriff's office said his agency had assisted authorities on a raid at Proviant Technologies, Arnold's lab in downstate Illinois. And two sources with knowledge of the raids confirmed to The Chronicle that warrants had been served both on the lab and on Arnold's home.

    Both IRS-CI and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration -- the two agencies primarily involved in the raids on BALCO two years ago in Burlingame -- participated in the Illinois actions, according to Kerry Hannigan, a special agent with IRS-CI in Chicago. Hannigan said all documents related to the "official business" were sealed.

    Arnold's name has been connected to the BALCO case for some time. During the September 2003 raids on BALCO, owner Victor Conte and vice president James Valente both identified Arnold as the source of the once-undetectable steroid called "the clear," according to government memorandums detailing the interviews. Conte, Valente, track coach Remi Korchemny and Greg Anderson, personal trainer for Barry Bonds, recently pleaded guilty to steroid distribution charges and are awaiting sentencing next month.

    Despite the plea agreements, a San Francisco federal grand jury has continued to hear testimony stemming from the BALCO probe, according to two sources familiar with Arnold and the case. In addition, just as they had in the months preceding raids on BALCO, federal agents had been digging through Arnold's trash seeking evidence, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

    Neither Arnold nor his attorney responded to messages seeking comment.

    Even before BALCO broke, Arnold was suspected by anti-doping officials as the man who resurrected the steroid norbolethone, a drug that was manufactured in the 1960s but never marketed to the public. The substance was discovered in the urine sample of an athlete in 2002. Based on e-mails and documents seized in the BALCO case, authorities believe norbolethone was the first generation of "the clear" distributed by Conte to elite athletes.

    By the time of the BALCO raids in 2003, "the clear" was a newly designed steroid called tetrahydrogestrinone, or THG.

    The various versions of "the clear" were administered by placing a couple of drops under the tongue. A 2001 e-mail from Arnold to Conte appeared to indicate the chemist was sending the BALCO chief the latest version of the substance.

    "What I am sending you today is a small sample, about 5 ccs, of the supplement," Arnold wrote to Conte on Feb. 9, 2001. Arnold wrote that he had "made" very little of the substance, but there "should be enough for experimental testing. 2.5-7.5 milligram (whatever that comes out to in cc's or drops), under the tongue should be a decent dosing range."

    Within the supplement industry, Arnold is known as the "father of prohormones," most famous for bringing androstenedione to the American market.

    Andro, though banned by the National Football League and the Olympics because it was a steroid precursor, was popularized in 1998 when St. Louis Cardinal slugger Mark McGwire acknowledged using it during the season when he broke baseball's single-season home run record. Three years later, Bonds broke McGwire's record, and two years after that the Giants slugger became part of the evolving BALCO scandal.

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    Man, this is horrible. I hope everything works out for him.
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    Was THG illegal? I thought it was like M1T or SD something that wasn't scheduled at the time.
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    **** happens. You break the law and you are bound to get caught.
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    Even though I totally despise PA, I'd like to know what exactly they are going after him for? THG was never on the AAS control act then...NOW it is, but again back then it wasn't....so what did he do wrong?

    This is the whole reason why the NEW aas act has new laws where you cannot be within so many feet of a pro-stadium, etc. distributing AAS, etc...what a joke.

    This whole ordeal, or what the idiots in congress call it the *scandal* is totally baseless with the facts that have been brought forth...

    Oh and did anybody else hear that congress wants all four main pro sports to be tested and if the user is caught for just one offense, he's banned for 2 years....a second offense, he's banned for life...the gov't is getting involved where they do not belong...private biz is not the gov't's business.....
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    STOP SNITCHIN


    True indeed, do the crime do the time. What I hate is snitching !!! If you administer you are just as guilty as the maker, so why does everbody have to go down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    True indeed, do the crime do the time. What I hate is snitching !!! If you administer you are just as guilty as the maker, so why does everbody have to go down?
    Yes, but the whole point is that there was no crime committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifted
    Even though I totally despise PA, I'd like to know what exactly they are going after him for? THG was never on the AAS control act then...NOW it is, but again back then it wasn't....so what did he do wrong?

    This is the whole reason why the NEW aas act has new laws where you cannot be within so many feet of a pro-stadium, etc. distributing AAS, etc...what a joke.

    This whole ordeal, or what the idiots in congress call it the *scandal* is totally baseless with the facts that have been brought forth...

    Oh and did anybody else hear that congress wants all four main pro sports to be tested and if the user is caught for just one offense, he's banned for 2 years....a second offense, he's banned for life...the gov't is getting involved where they do not belong...private biz is not the gov't's business.....
    It said IRS, I think the Government doesn't like him so they are trying to get him every way possible. I still don't understand the crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    True indeed, do the crime do the time. What I hate is snitching !!! If you administer you are just as guilty as the maker, so why does everbody have to go down?
    But was THG illegal? Maybe the IRS thinks he didn't pay taxes on his earnings from Blaco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbart
    But was THG illegal? Maybe the IRS thinks he didn't pay taxes on his earnings from Blaco.
    THG wasnt illegal when the so called scandal surfaced, but it is now scheduled. I still dont see how he can be charged for making a designer steroid unless he was still making and distributing it after it was scheduled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifted
    Yes, but the whole point is that there was no crime committed.
    True indeed, But Victor **** did not have to say where he got the creams from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifted
    Yes, but the whole point is that there was no crime committed.

    They have watched him closely ever since the first andro supplement, which he sold first. Whether it worked well or not, it is an anabolic steriod.

    They want to pin him for designing drugs made to bypass drug testing for professional athletes. And that, they will..... He knew this day would come. He's been involved with the Balco case the whole time. It was just a matter of time before they really dug deep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    True indeed, But Victor **** did not have to say where he got the creams from.
    IRS taxes! Probably didn't pay taxes on his earnings from the sales of THG, under the table profit. When the government doesn't like you they will find a way to get you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinochaser48
    They have watched him closely ever since the first andro supplement, which he sold first. Whether it worked well or not, it is an anabolic steriod.

    They want to pin him for designing drugs made to bypass drug testing for professional athletes. And that, they will..... He knew this day would come. He's been involved with the Balco case the whole time. It was just a matter of time before they really dug deep.
    Probally correct, I didn't know designing drugs made to bypass drug testingknow was illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinochaser48
    They have watched him closely ever since the first andro supplement, which he sold first. Whether it worked well or not, it is an anabolic steriod.

    They want to pin him for designing drugs made to bypass drug testing for professional athletes. And that, they will..... He knew this day would come. He's been involved with the Balco case the whole time. It was just a matter of time before they really dug deep.
    Yeah, that would be my guess...some kind of conspiracy charge.
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    IRS tax evasion- thats how they got Al Capone, since they had nothing on him that would stick...

    I just hate that Bitch ass Bush and congress are going after **** that does not matter to the safety of America. And i had the chance to meet PA at the jr nationals here in Chicago, he is def a douche bag quite full of himself. It was funny he had an entourage around him. BUT STILL No reason he should go down for helping people have the edge...
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    This was lead by the IRS so it is a tax issue first.
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    So the basics are: a guy who probably didn't commit a crime is getting harrassed and probably prosecuted, and will end up paying huge fines and maybe even getting jail time. Since there was most likely no crime committed, the government is basically doing this because they have an aesthetic objection to his existence. In other words because they don't like him. And what allows them to do this is the complete idiocy of the majority of the public in allowing their reps to pass hundreds of thousands of laws, or more to the point allowing unelected, unaccountable agencies make regulations that have the status of laws, and then using those laws/regs to target people they just don't like. Arnold's business and life are likely to be destroyed.

    And I remember one poster recently stating he pitied me because I was living in fear of the government. Bottom line is any one of us who similarly displeases the government, either in the form of a 'scandal' with wide coverage like this one or if a local DA, cop or other enforcement official takes a disliking to us or wants to build up his career, we're just as if not more ****ed. And we've hurt no one, stolen nothing, damaged no property. We've just engaged in behaviors or used substances people just don't like. And for that your life can very easily end up ruined.

    If you can't do the time then don't do the crime is pure nonsense when we're talking about situations where there's an absolute lack of a crime or someone getting prosecuted for something that should not be a crime.
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    Exactly CD. The bottom line is that BALCO, Conte and PA ****ed with SPORTS. The government has a vested financial and aestetic interest in SPORTS. You **** with SPORTS, they end your life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    So the basics are: a guy who probably didn't commit a crime is getting harrassed and probably prosecuted, and will end up paying huge fines and maybe even getting jail time. Since there was most likely no crime committed, the government is basically doing this because they have an aesthetic objection to his existence. In other words because they don't like him. And what allows them to do this is the complete idiocy of the majority of the public in allowing their reps to pass hundreds of thousands of laws, or more to the point allowing unelected, unaccountable agencies make regulations that have the status of laws, and then using those laws/regs to target people they just don't like. Arnold's business and life are likely to be destroyed.

    And I remember one poster recently stating he pitied me because I was living in fear of the government. Bottom line is any one of us who similarly displeases the government, either in the form of a 'scandal' with wide coverage like this one or if a local DA, cop or other enforcement official takes a disliking to us or wants to build up his career, we're just as if not more ****ed. And we've hurt no one, stolen nothing, damaged no property. We've just engaged in behaviors or used substances people just don't like. And for that your life can very easily end up ruined.

    If you can't do the time then don't do the crime is pure nonsense when we're talking about situations where there's an absolute lack of a crime or someone getting prosecuted for something that should not be a crime.
    Awesome post would have been more appropriate. Earlier in the thread, lifted said
    the gov't is getting involved where they do not belong...private biz is not the gov't's business.....
    Everything is the government's business. There is nothing you do that does not have a touch of government control. Think about it, I was sitting here typing on my computer and watching TV. Now, I am taxed on my DSL line that runs the taxed computer I am using. If the government decided I shouldn't have DSL or a computer, how would they control this? They would raise the taxes so high I couldn't afford those items. Would this ever happen? Ask the tobacco industry. Also, everything I see on TV is directly controlled (censored) by the government (FCC). Why do you think TV sucks so bad?

    Anyway, PA is an 'enemy of the state' because he is a ringleader in the 'war on steroids' (I'm amazed someone in congress didn't start using this already). He's probably being lumped in with other anti-american types, after all, PA is destroying our youth with his vile drugs. He must be taken down to preserve our way of life.

    I'm not a PA fan, as others have already stated he is a big enough fan of himself that there is not room on the bandwagon for anyone else. Still, this is another example of the way our government operates - we are in the middle of the hurrican tragedies, we are fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and our cities are under the constant threat of terrorism. Hey, let's go after PA as priority #1 and have months of steroids hearing in Congress. This is a media circus and totally absurd.
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    I doubt he gets any jail, but this will cost him bigtime $$$.

    I wonder if we will ever see "Cell Juice" now.
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    GREAT post, CDB.

    But, the way you are wording things, it gives the reader the idea that democracy and freedom aren't ruling the day.

    When the liberty of expression is the only thing left, is it still freedom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecski
    Everything is the government's business. There is nothing you do that does not have a touch of government control.
    Yes, I know what you mean, I was just saying that I don't think that it's moral or any of their business to get involved with a private biz like this....
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    Even if it wasn't a controlled substance at the time, he still supplied it to athletes who's organization did not allow for this type of supplementation. And how is this a media circus? If not for this forum I probably would have never heard about this. I don't know about you, but I watch the news every day and I have heard nothing but hurricane this and Iraq that.
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    From what I see is this. They government is running out their resources to tie up loose ends from the BALCO scandal/investigation. Especially with all the steroid talks with MLB. They want to keep things in the headlines to show people they are taking a tough stand and are not backing away, or letting it just die down. For the most part, they were probably looking for computer records and such. The IRS was more than likely brought in so they could do a financial study on the monies and records, and maybe run into something foolishly left behind to possibly drum up another indictment.
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    And I remember one poster recently stating he pitied me because I was living in fear of the government. Bottom line is any one of us who similarly displeases the government, either in the form of a 'scandal' with wide coverage like this one or if a local DA, cop or other enforcement official takes a disliking to us or wants to build up his career, we're just as if not more ****ed. And we've hurt no one, stolen nothing, damaged no property. We've just engaged in behaviors or used substances people just don't like. And for that your life can very easily end up ruined.
    Couldnt agree more. The government this country is run, mostly, by a bunch of pinheaded morons who are in the business of personal gains and notoriety than they are for defending our inalienable rights. Which, I might add, they find more and more ways to chip away at with every passing year.

    And the Justice system? If the amount of money you have is the determining factor in whether your life will be destroyed for exercising what should have been your inalienable rights - well then I guess democracy and freedom are in fact going down the ****ter little by little.

    One thing is for sure - we all need to start voting. I'm ashamed to say it, but I've never voted - mainly because I never really liked anyone who was on the ballot. But the more people like us let things go, the more people like them get control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuffs
    The IRS was more than likely brought in so they could do a financial study on the monies and records, and maybe run into something foolishly left behind to possibly drum up another indictment.
    IRS has been involved with the BALCO scandal since the beginning due to tax evasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    IRS has been involved with the BALCO scandal since the beginning due to tax evasion.
    Very true. But, it's a crutch LE uses to get information they may not be able to obtain through a regular search. This way, while they look at financial documents, they may run across other information leading to additional crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ss01
    GREAT post, CDB.

    But, the way you are wording things, it gives the reader the idea that democracy and freedom aren't ruling the day.

    When the liberty of expression is the only thing left, is it still freedom?
    Nope. Freedom of expression has never been enough to ensure continued freedom in a broader sense. Hence, the second ammendment. And, to be blunt, I regard democracy as the greatest destroyer of freedom. It turns government into a war machine used by some to wage wars on other citizens for aesthetic reasons by all who can gain enough power to enfoce their will on others. Some great reads, books and articles, and lectures by Hans Herman Hoppe on this subject can be found on the Mises Institute's site. He makes a very compelling argument, which I happen to agree with, that social democracy is the biggest threat to liberty. Public ownership of the government leads to a tragedy of the commons on a massive scale, with everyone looting the country for what it's worth while they can, and passing hundreds of thousands of ridiculous laws against behaviors that don't fit any classical definition of a crime, but make those in power believe they are moving the world toward being a more pleasing place by their standards.

    What people don't realize is you can't make an imperfect world (in their view) perfect by passing laws against imperfection and enforcing them. Very few people want to hear the opposite approach, live and let live, and as long as you're not being harmed in any way, mind your own business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natedogg
    Even if it wasn't a controlled substance at the time, he still supplied it to athletes who's organization did not allow for this type of supplementation.
    Last I checked those sports organizations were not branches of the US government, and their rules did not count as laws. Therefore breaking those rules, while possible grounds for a civil action, is absolutely not grounds for criminal prosecution.
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    I'm pasting a post from bb.com where PA addresses the reason for the IRS involvement.


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    I thought that the CID dept. of the IRS dealt with primarily financial crimes(ie: tax fraud, etc.). I'm NOT accusing Ergo/Pat of this of course, but does anyone know why he would have been pursued by the IRS, and not someone like the ATF, espeically if the govern. wanted to make a "statement"? Pat did you forget to claim one of your b@stard children on your taxes???





    the IRS led the investigation from the beginning in SF cuz it all started with money laundering. so of course they came

    The FDA also came because any potential charges would be FDA charges (sale of misbranded drug etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Last I checked those sports organizations were not branches of the US government, and their rules did not count as laws. Therefore breaking those rules, while possible grounds for a civil action, is absolutely not grounds for criminal prosecution.
    Last time I checked the government was making steroids in sports their business. Anyways, PA has been tiptoeing that fine line for some time now. It was going to catch up to him eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natedogg
    Last time I checked the government was making steroids in sports their business. Anyways, PA has been tiptoeing that fine line for some time now. It was going to catch up to him eventually.
    They have been. That's not say they should be, or more to the point have any right to be making it their business. I don't buy the line that tiptoeing should be necessary, and that not getting harrassed by the government when you're not breaking any laws and not hurting anyone or doing anything that isn't mutually consentual is some kind of desirable privilege and not a right that should be demanded is all. As a result I tend to ask different questions than most people and see things from different angles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    So the basics are: a guy who probably didn't commit a crime is getting harrassed and probably prosecuted, and will end up paying huge fines and maybe even getting jail time. Since there was most likely no crime committed, the government is basically doing this because they have an aesthetic objection to his existence. In other words because they don't like him. And what allows them to do this is the complete idiocy of the majority of the public in allowing their reps to pass hundreds of thousands of laws, or more to the point allowing unelected, unaccountable agencies make regulations that have the status of laws, and then using those laws/regs to target people they just don't like. Arnold's business and life are likely to be destroyed.

    And I remember one poster recently stating he pitied me because I was living in fear of the government. Bottom line is any one of us who similarly displeases the government, either in the form of a 'scandal' with wide coverage like this one or if a local DA, cop or other enforcement official takes a disliking to us or wants to build up his career, we're just as if not more ****ed. And we've hurt no one, stolen nothing, damaged no property. We've just engaged in behaviors or used substances people just don't like. And for that your life can very easily end up ruined.

    If you can't do the time then don't do the crime is pure nonsense when we're talking about situations where there's an absolute lack of a crime or someone getting prosecuted for something that should not be a crime.
    ill bite the bullet and go against the grain on this one. in particular the statement i have in bold i have to disagree with.

    the government no matter how much you want to believe cant go in without reasonable cause that a crime has been committed. if youre going to bring up the patriot act it implies more to if not fully to suspected terrorist activity. go government agencies cant get warrents without some reasonable evidence.

    also you state "something that should not be a crime"; whether you or PA thinks it shouldn't be a crime or not, it is a crime, and those crimes carry penalties, the one breaking those laws is going to have to deal with them.

    "dont do the crime if you cant do the time" is perfectly sensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer
    "dont do the crime if you cant do the time" is perfectly sensible.
    This statement enrages me. I always try to conduct myself civily in debate, so if I should fail to do so, know that it was not for lack of effort.

    Those who believe in the inalienable rights enumerated in our constitution should immediately see the fallacy in this logic. For instance, if a law were to pass which required all Jews to wear yellow stars in public, on penalty of death for violation, this would be a violation of liberty. It would not be reasonable to do the time for this "crime."

    On the other hand, those who believe in the supremacy of democracy will agree with the parent poster's sentiments.

    In my eyes, democracy is the tyranny of the majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabeshin
    This statement enrages me. I always try to conduct myself civily in debate, so if I should fail to do so, know that it was not for lack of effort.

    Those who believe in the inalienable rights enumerated in our constitution should immediately see the fallacy in this logic. For instance, if a law were to pass which required all Jews to wear yellow stars in public, on penalty of death for violation, this would be a violation of liberty. It would not be reasonable to do the time for this "crime."

    On the other hand, those who believe in the supremacy of democracy will agree with the parent poster's sentiments.

    In my eyes, democracy is the tyranny of the majority.
    Which is why our country was founded as a republic and not a pure democracy. It is the reason we have a two house congress with equal state representation in the senate and representation based on population in the house. It is why the president is elected by the electoral college and not direct vote. These measures were set up to protect against a pure majority rule situation. Madison spoke strongly in the Federalist Papers about this concept, and about the dangers of factions and their ability to overtake our nation. Now, at a time when about 50% of our population votes, the factions seem to have taken over, and mob rule seems to be beginning.
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    In my eyes, democracy is the tyranny of the majority
    Which would work just fine if 'the majority' respected and were tolerant of other people's viewpoints and ideals. But they're not. They'll make a part of your lifestyle illegal to the point to where - if you engage in it and get caught doing so - your life (as you know it, anyway), is destroyed.

    What if bodybuilders ruled the earth, and made being a wussy fatass a crime punishable by a hefty fine and a prison sentance? I think filling yourself with hydrogenated oils and refined sugars does far more damage to the human body than an 8 week cycle of testosterone.
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    i cant see pat keeping anything that could get him in trouble in his lab or house...when you know youy are being watched, you get rid of ANY evidence
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecski
    Which is why our country was founded as a republic and not a pure democracy. It is the reason we have a two house congress with equal state representation in the senate and representation based on population in the house. It is why the president is elected by the electoral college and not direct vote. These measures were set up to protect against a pure majority rule situation. Madison spoke strongly in the Federalist Papers about this concept, and about the dangers of factions and their ability to overtake our nation. Now, at a time when about 50% of our population votes, the factions seem to have taken over, and mob rule seems to be beginning.
    As Ben Franklin said, "You have a Republic, if you can keep it."
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