girl in my homeroom doesnt stand for pledge

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  1. Yeah, you've kind have to learn to just deal with it later on in life...


  2. Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    No reason to solute the flag?

    I'll give u a few reasons

    1) we are given the power to elect our leaders, unlike those who have there leaders thrust upon them.
    2) Last time I checked, the change of power was peaceful. A simple change of office, no tanks being rolled down the streets of WDC.


    Those 2 privlidges are not given to most people in the world, but you find no reason to solute the flag, huh.
    I guess you haven't followed the last two Presidential elections.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Sunder
    Sounds a little one-sided to me. She lives in a place where she can enjoy the FREEDOM to make this CHOICE.

    You, on the other hand, you wish to IMPOSE YOUR BELIEF's on her, and take away her choice. That's something that I don't think America stands for.

    Regardless of whether or not YOU feel she is being disrespectful, it is fully in her right. Heck, even if she smokes cigarattes and puts needles in her arms - still doesn't take away any of her rights.

    You cannot control the actions of others. You can only control your own reactions and how you react to others.
    Just a quick quip... if she gets caught putting needles in her arm... alot of her rights will be taken away.

    Adams

  4. sure she has the right to stand but if she chooses to actually use that right then why doesn't she do something about it and not just sit there and disrespect all those who died for this coutnry to be as great as it is?
    saluting the flag/pledge is about respect/honoring America/americans... if you don't agree with how america is being run currently, DO SOMETHING OR GET THE **** OUT. You are just there b/c you can make a living for your family? taking advantage of our great coutnry, get the **** out, we dont need you

    you want to leave but cant afford it? you are most likely ignorant and that is why you choose to disrespect stuff on the limited knowledge you have

    there was a time when the flag actually meant something (still does). Do you remember that people in wars would risk their lives just to carry the flag on the battle field?!?!?!?! they are basically spitting in the true American's faces

  5. Quote Originally Posted by BULK_CITY
    sure she has the right to stand but if she chooses to actually use that right then why doesn't she do something about it and not just sit there and disrespect all those who died for this coutnry to be as great as it is?
    saluting the flag/pledge is about respect/honoring America/americans... if you don't agree with how america is being run currently, DO SOMETHING OR GET THE **** OUT. You are just there b/c you can make a living for your family? taking advantage of our great coutnry, get the **** out, we dont need you

    you want to leave but cant afford it? you are most likely ignorant and that is why you choose to disrespect stuff on the limited knowledge you have

    there was a time when the flag actually meant something (still does). Do you remember that people in wars would risk their lives just to carry the flag on the battle field?!?!?!?! they are basically spitting in the true American's faces
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  6. I just love how some of you people will be the first to bitch about freedom of speech which included freedom of expression but get pissed off when one chooses to exercise that right in a way that's not inline with your own thinking.

    ****ing hypocrites.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by BULK_CITY
    sure she has the right to stand but if she chooses to actually use that right then why doesn't she do something about it and not just sit there and disrespect all those who died for this coutnry to be as great as it is?
    saluting the flag/pledge is about respect/honoring America/americans... if you don't agree with how america is being run currently, DO SOMETHING OR GET THE **** OUT. You are just there b/c you can make a living for your family? taking advantage of our great coutnry, get the **** out, we dont need you
    No attitudes like this is what we don't need.. remember the founding fathers were a bunch of dissenters also who thought it wasn't cool to to "march to the beat" of King George's drum. Gentlemen it takes all types to make this a strong country

  8. Quote Originally Posted by houseman
    I just love how some of you people will be the first to bitch about freedom of speech which included freedom of expression but get pissed off when one chooses to exercise that right in a way that's not inline with your own thinking.

    ****ing hypocrites.


    Quote Originally Posted by matthewd
    No attitudes like this is what we don't need.. remember the founding fathers were a bunch of dissenters also who thought it wasn't cool to to "march to the beat" of King George's drum. Gentlemen it takes all types to make this a strong country

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
    Davis, if that offends then you're in for a rude awakening when you enter the real world and work with other people. I disagree with the girls attitude but if you start forcing people to do things then the democracy becomes a dictatorship and you will be the one who is screwed when you disagree with the popular view.
    Yup. This must be some kind of powerful girl that can have such a great effect on you. Do you think she stays up late at night and wonders/complains to other people about you?

    I agree 100% that what she is doing is disrespectful, and I do feel it is a shame that people don't respect their own country as much as they did in the "olden days". But IT DOESN'T MATTER. I also agree 100% that it is within her right to do this. And guess what, when you leave your little high school, you'd better learn how to tolerate other people better or else you're going to end up a bitter person. Do you really not have anything better to worry about than wasting so much of your energy on this chick?


    Quote Originally Posted by houseman
    I just love how some of you people will be the first to bitch about freedom of speech which included freedom of expression but get pissed off when one chooses to exercise that right in a way that's not inline with your own thinking.

    ****ing hypocrites.
    Exactly. I may not agree with what other people say or do - but I'll be damned if I let some little highschool kid try to tell me how to run my life.

    And it runs both ways: if you don't like it - YOU can leave the country, because you obviously have a problem with one of their beliefs in people's rights.

    And don't come here to Canada. Guess what? It will be worse for you here. Heck, they tried to change the name of "Christmas Tree" to "Holiday Tree" in order to stop oppressing all those people who don't beleive in Christmas. You have to wear a helmet on a motorcycle here, unless you're a specific religious belief that has a tourban on your head.

    Want to know what pisses me off? Weapons are NOT ALLOWED in schools. Yet, some kid in Ontario successfully won his case in court to allow him to carry a 12" "ceramonial dagger" to school on the grounds of religious discrimination.

    I'll trade you the kid that is allowed to carry a knife to school for this chick who doesn't stand up for the flag anyday.

  10. LOL I think people need to man up! Who cares what a 17 year old girl thinks. I really like the post about how she should leave if she don't like it. Correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked 17 is not an adult so really she can't legally leave even if she wants to.

  11. Hey guy I think your problem got solved in part today. A
    federal judged ruled the pledge of allegiance "unconstitutional"
    today since the inclusion of "under God" violated a person's
    right to religious freedom. He put a restraining order on all schools.
    Teachers cannot lead the class in the allegiance. A
    person may recite it privately but not in a public forum as to
    restrict another person's religious beliefs.
    All over 2 words. Remember that "under God" was added into the
    pledge in 1954, I think, by Congressional act & was not part of the
    original pledge. I bet you eventually see it removed permanently
    in the future.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by shootmeagain
    On that last note, for example, when it was introduced recently that the idea of a intelligent creator be taught alongside the big-bang and evolution, people went nuts! "No way we can allow that relgious drivel to get (back) into our schools!" Why is that? No one said to not teach evolution or to supplant it with Christian teaching. Just to teach what amounts to an 'alternate theory'. It seems certain elements of our society want to say out of one side of their mouth that we all have a right to our beliefs... but theirs is the only form that should actually be heard.
    Why is it that so many Christians have so much difficulty understanding why creationism is such a HUGE violation of freedom of religion?

    Evolution is a current valid scientific theory . Creationism is not and never will be. Additionally, Creationism is a Judeo-Christian concept. If an official government agency, such as a public school, were to teach it, that means that is a government institution favoring one religion over another. That is EXPRESSLY forbidden in the Constitution. Evolution on the otherhand is NOT a part of any religion. It is not founded on religion nor does it take religion into account at all. Thus teaching it favors no religion over any other.

  13. Creationism is not a science. It's not a theory. It's a belief. Evolution is a theory because it explains, predicts, and interprets. Creationism does none of these. And I believe Null's point was if you were to teach creationism in the schools, whose version do you teach? Christian, Hindu, Pagan, Roman Catholic, etc. All these are acceptable forms of religion yet you cannot teach just one of them without showing bias. There are young earth creationists (universe is 6000 years old) and there are evolution creationists saying that god started it all with the snap of his finger but then evolution took over. It's the fanatics on either side that are screwing this whole debate up. There are more than a few brilliant scientists that are faithful to their religion yet accept evolution. This shows no conflict of interest IMO. However, science is to be taught as such, science. Not religion. Separation of church and state is a great thing.

    JMO.

  14. he's smart for a big fella ain't he

  15. Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    he's smart for a big fella ain't he
    For a big guy....... I guess

  16. Update:


    The girl who wouldnt stand droped out of school last week

  17. SHOOT HER WITH A NAILGUN!!!









    haha j/k

  18. Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    Update:


    The girl who wouldnt stand droped out of school last week
    Good for her. Now it's time to get knocked up and live off of the government for the rest of her life.

  19. Isn't it ironic?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by natedogg
    Good for her. Now it's time to get knocked up and live off of the government for the rest of her life.
    I wanted to say that but im on thin ice right now as of getting banned. I know what you mean, she disses the country and doesnt stand for the flag, but now shes going to collect from it.

  21. Then again she might not.. no one can predict the future..

  22. maybe she joined the military and decided to serve our country.

    lol i'm just being a pain in the ass now.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    Update:


    The girl who wouldnt stand droped out of school last week
    thats just too great...lolol

  24. Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    Dont get me wrong, I didnt support him in throwing it. I just think him throwing the cap isnt half as disrespectful has her not standing. If you dont like this country, GET OUT. That simple.



    And as you said its her right, that right needs to be removed. She doesnt talk, except for saying she doesnt have to stand. She smells like cigurettes BAD every morning.

    My honest guess why she is anti social and anti-american is because she is overweight. No, im not bashing on fat people, but this is a fitness board so I figure it would fit in well. She is basically what I was in JR. High when I was fat, didnt talk, but I wasnt anti american. What did I do? I didnt hate the world or the country or the people that threw pencaps at me, I made a change. I didnt sulk around wishing I was in good shape, I took controll and MADE a change. Too many of these "im not accepted b/c im fat" people dont want to work for a change. I am a strong believer that everyone is capton of there own ship.


    And again, if she doesn't like this country, she can get the hell out, its that simple.


    Edit- I like the part of you statement "thing are pressed into your mind"
    What will be pressed into my mind? Politically correct BULL CRAP that people accept today. I'll tell you exactly whats gonna be "pressed." Girls started sleeping around in high school, so it is now accepted that they take BC pills (no, i dont mean the ones that use it to regulate there period). It was "pressed" into all of our heads to make it seem ok. Gay marrage became more common, so it was "pressed" into our heads that it was ok. 50 years ago girls didnt wear skirts so you could see there vagina, but it got "pressed" in our heads so its common place now. Your right our views change once we get into the "real world," they change from what we think to what we think will be accepted.
    Being new to the Board i just read this, I don't think she is anti american, but your right who knows, perhaps being big and being in high school she is embarrassed and doesn't want to stand, I assume kids are unkind to her, she most likely wants to disapear and not draw ANY attention to herself, although this does she is young as you are.

    She may have a MEDICAL ISSUE that makes it hard for her to lose weight, don't judge till you know BOTH sides.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Gimpy!
    thats just too great...lolol
    Huh?

    You think it's great someone dropped out of school?
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