girl in my homeroom doesnt stand for pledge
- 09-14-2005, 11:47 PM
Hey guy I think your problem got solved in part today. A
federal judged ruled the pledge of allegiance "unconstitutional"
today since the inclusion of "under God" violated a person's
right to religious freedom. He put a restraining order on all schools.
Teachers cannot lead the class in the allegiance. A
person may recite it privately but not in a public forum as to
restrict another person's religious beliefs.
All over 2 words. Remember that "under God" was added into the
pledge in 1954, I think, by Congressional act & was not part of the
original pledge. I bet you eventually see it removed permanently
in the future.
- 09-15-2005, 08:14 AM
Originally Posted by shootmeagain
Evolution is a current valid scientific theory . Creationism is not and never will be. Additionally, Creationism is a Judeo-Christian concept. If an official government agency, such as a public school, were to teach it, that means that is a government institution favoring one religion over another. That is EXPRESSLY forbidden in the Constitution. Evolution on the otherhand is NOT a part of any religion. It is not founded on religion nor does it take religion into account at all. Thus teaching it favors no religion over any other.
- 09-15-2005, 08:57 AM
Creationism is not a science. It's not a theory. It's a belief. Evolution is a theory because it explains, predicts, and interprets. Creationism does none of these. And I believe Null's point was if you were to teach creationism in the schools, whose version do you teach? Christian, Hindu, Pagan, Roman Catholic, etc. All these are acceptable forms of religion yet you cannot teach just one of them without showing bias. There are young earth creationists (universe is 6000 years old) and there are evolution creationists saying that god started it all with the snap of his finger but then evolution took over. It's the fanatics on either side that are screwing this whole debate up. There are more than a few brilliant scientists that are faithful to their religion yet accept evolution. This shows no conflict of interest IMO. However, science is to be taught as such, science. Not religion. Separation of church and state is a great thing.
09-15-2005, 10:00 AM
09-15-2005, 10:02 AM
10-18-2005, 02:59 PM
10-18-2005, 03:11 PM
10-18-2005, 03:27 PM
Good for her. Now it's time to get knocked up and live off of the government for the rest of her life.Originally Posted by davisville64
10-18-2005, 03:29 PM
10-18-2005, 05:09 PM
I wanted to say that but im on thin ice right now as of getting banned. I know what you mean, she disses the country and doesnt stand for the flag, but now shes going to collect from it.Originally Posted by natedogg
10-18-2005, 08:32 PM
10-18-2005, 08:35 PM
maybe she joined the military and decided to serve our country.
lol i'm just being a pain in the ass now.
10-19-2005, 01:31 AM
10-19-2005, 03:59 PM
Being new to the Board i just read this, I don't think she is anti american, but your right who knows, perhaps being big and being in high school she is embarrassed and doesn't want to stand, I assume kids are unkind to her, she most likely wants to disapear and not draw ANY attention to herself, although this does she is young as you are.Originally Posted by davisville64
She may have a MEDICAL ISSUE that makes it hard for her to lose weight, don't judge till you know BOTH sides.
10-19-2005, 04:03 PM
10-19-2005, 04:50 PM
I'm not sure that is what she meant but it was pretty poorly written regardless.Originally Posted by houseman
It is her right not to pledge allegiance. Its a socialist pledge and our country was founded on the ideas that not everyone has to be the same. It is her right to drop out and yes, her right to get free money.
However very, very few people actually like being on welfare. Its a symbol that you're **** (for a lack of better phrasing) and suck at life. Many people who live below the poverty line don't get welfare for this reason. Also, its not just get free money and do nothing. There's a lot more restrictions to how you can get that money. If you don't shape up, no money for you. Statistics I believe show that its about 1% at most of people who don't work and receive welfare (disabilities excluded).
Odds are this girl has 0 self esteem and the prick who threw the pen cap at her was just a confirmation of what she thought. That she's worthless and not fit for academics. She will probably kill herself, abuse drugs/sex in a few weeks. Even the whole anti-US thing is just people with low self esteem who want to project. No different than a promiscuous girl who gets around because she's hiding the fact that she feels she's worth nothing.
10-19-2005, 05:01 PM
id tell that bitch a peice of my mind. THis country is going straight to hell with all the **** people are trying to pull today. It makes me sick seeing people with no respect for a flag that still makes me shiver with pride everytime is ee it.
10-19-2005, 05:03 PM
10-19-2005, 06:18 PM
She has that right not to take part in the National Anthem. This is America and we have those kinds of rights. This is not Nazi Germany. I have relatives that don't take part in the national anthem because of religious reason and they pay their taxes, they are the first to help a stranger, and they are the perfect citizen. As an American we have so many rights and choices we can make and that what make this a great country. Some of the choices that people make may not appeal to you but that's life. I don't like reading about the Klu Klux Klan/Neo Nazis marching because of what they stand for but they have that right because that's one of the rights the constitution gave them.
Yes, your friend should have been thrown in detention or even kick out of school because NO one has the right to place harm towards another person. So, if your friend had beaten or rape or even killed her because she made a personal choice...IN YOUR MIND YOU WOULD HAD SAID SHE DESERVE IT. Did you know in some countries in the world, these acts are committed towards people that don't think, act, or worship like the majority? I notice your age and all I have to say is>>>You have a lot to learn about life and this little incident regarding other people rights, should had been taught to you at an EARLY age by your parents and also have been touch on by the school system.
YOU AND YOUR FRIEND BEHAVIOR SICKEN ME and before you start talking about the U.S and the National Anthem, maybe you should study the constitution. I thought all grade school and high school student have to pass the constitution test before graduating from High School?????????
I attend a lot of sports events and I don't stand all the time when they sing the National Anthem and that's my right. WHAT, you and your friends would had thrown a pen cap at me?????
Wow, I just had a flash back. I just remember what I did to a guy who threw a pen at me in high school. Let me put it this way, I kicked his mofo ass and he was bigger and older than me. Ahhh, those was the days.
Originally Posted by davisville64
10-19-2005, 08:07 PM
10-19-2005, 09:22 PM
great post. Sadly, our view of this situation is the minority on this board.Originally Posted by granby140
10-19-2005, 09:29 PM
I've learned that I cant voice my oppinion on this board with out risking being banned the past few days, so i'll leave the good parts outOriginally Posted by QUICKRYDE
My behavior? I did nothing but watch. What is this the last episode of seinfeld where I get in trouble for no defending a girl who disrespects the country I love? If she was some little kid getting picked on bc of a big nose, high body fat, or geeky look, I would have told him to screw off, I do it all the time (reminds me I have a detention tomorow for BREAKING UP a fight, school policy is anyone that gets in bodily contact in a fight gets minimum 1 hour detention). But defend someone who goes against my country? She's on her own, sorry.
10-19-2005, 09:31 PM
10-19-2005, 09:47 PM
When you study for the constitution test, I hope you will get the full meaning of what I'm trying to tell you.
Originally Posted by davisville64
10-19-2005, 09:55 PM
Its 2005, kids dont need to take a "constitution test" (in my school anyway), are you serious, we dont even need to stand for the flagOriginally Posted by QUICKRYDE
10-19-2005, 11:39 PM
When you're forcing people to respect and admire the flag, you are spitting on our forefathers who busted their ass to get free from the UK. They wanted to think freely and be their own person, not someone molded by the government (they're probably rolling in their graves right now over how much its changed).Originally Posted by granby140
You should have taken an American Government class. It was required my Senior year of HS. You have a test over the constitution.Its 2005, kids dont need to take a "constitution test" (in my school anyway), are you serious, we dont even need to stand for the flag
10-20-2005, 12:46 AM
if u cant respect the great country that our forefathers died and lost all their money for, then get the **** out.
Originally Posted by The Experiment
10-20-2005, 01:22 AM
Originally Posted by granby140
If you cant respect the REASON our forefathers died and lost all their money for, then get the **** OUT... They fought against the oppressive BS you're spewing out of your immature, ignorant mouth....
They fought against a country of YOU... fought for freedoms they werent allowed... like freedom of religion (church of england anyone?)
She's quite possibly a Jehovah's Witness... I've known several and they are usually outcasts because their "religion" alienates them (and it actively does it... its part of the religion ideals not to be with non-believers)
As for laughing at her for dropping out... thats not funny at all.
10-20-2005, 01:26 AM
im sure our forefathers would would be giving her **** for not showing respect towards the flag. If u dont like it or dont respct leave. simple as that. U dont have to love it but u have to respect it
10-20-2005, 01:52 AM
i agree with you completly. i was mean and alittle cruel. you can think nasty thoughts about her if you like but throwing things at her is a bit much...Originally Posted by QUICKRYDE
age has NOTHING to do with maturity. i do not appreciate anyone putting anyone down because of their "age" or lack of. im sure we all know people that are immature at the age of 50, 60, 90, etc.... who are complete idiots.Originally Posted by QUICKRYDE
"was the days..." hm....right....Originally Posted by QUICKRYDE
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