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Pro-steroid lobby

Nullifidian

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Simple: we need one. Many movements start with simply a few regular Joes getting fed up and deciding to band together in a common cause. I urge that any of you who are sick of the demonization of steroids band together. It can start with this board. I for one feel it is time we ended this anti-steroid nonsense in the media and in our laws. However the ONLY way we will be able to make progress is if we renounce all our other political views and vote ONLY on the one issue of the legalization of steroids. That ONE issue and no other. If a candidate is anti-steroid he CANNOT receive our vote. If only one candidate is pro-steroid, we MUST vote for him no matter his other political views. I know it is a lot to ask, but if you do believe strongly in this I urge you to pledge to vote in this manner. This is truly the only way we will get this accomplished.

All those who wish to do so, add your name to this thread.
 
ahhh, after the mess in baseball, and the new laws I don't see much hoping of EVER changing things. They even got ephedra. The government is slowly restricting freedom.

Our only hope is to keep creatine and vitamins over the counter, and to avoid becoming like the "democratic" socialists in france who have given vitamin C to the Rx Drug Companies, and soon the government.

But otherwise, I'm down to do whatever I can...
 
for this to work you'd need someone to set up an organization that would go around on these steroid boards to advocate this cause, collect small donations (say $1-$5 by paypal, or more) from similarly minded people, and then spend it on ads to educate the public as well as to attack politicians that take strong anti-steroid positions (or promote ones that are sympathetic to the cause).

the org could also organize letter writing campaigns to politicians and such. it could be done. i think the base is there in the form of the internet communities and sympathizers from the supp forums, but you'd need some big name such as patrick arnold to attach his name on this to lend it credibility, and you'd need a few very organized and dedicated people to run the thing in a financially transparent manner. this would be a start.

-5
 
potential resources include the Libertarian party which, although wackier these days than in the past, champions personal freedom and individuals rights to choose what they do in every aspect of life. Use of AAS would be (and is) a matter of personal choice, especilly beause the argument can be made that their use is quite innocuous compared to the other kinds of substances sometimes propped for legalization. That is, if a person chooses to use AAS, he really does not negatively affect society and/or the lives of others. This country was founded on such an ideology, and if the Founding Fathers were alive today, they would be more likely to embrace this ideology than those of either of the big 2 parties.
 
I think the Libertarian party is a perfect example of how far we need to go. Currently they are really the only ones who are going to do what we want. You may not agree with a lot of their ideas, but if you truly want this movement to work, you have to vote for them if they are the only ones supporting the pro-steroid stance. When a movement is small, you will only get fringe parties supporting your ideas. As a movement grows larger though, more and more members of different parties will begin to adopt the same stance at becomes more popular. Eventually, if we vote consistantly and grow to be a large enough force, the big 2 will be FORCED to side with us.
 
Number 5 said:
for this to work you'd need someone to set up an organization that would go around on these steroid boards to advocate this cause, collect small donations (say $1-$5 by paypal, or more) from similarly minded people, and then spend it on ads to educate the public as well as to attack politicians that take strong anti-steroid positions (or promote ones that are sympathetic to the cause).

the org could also organize letter writing campaigns to politicians and such. it could be done. i think the base is there in the form of the internet communities and sympathizers from the supp forums, but you'd need some big name such as patrick arnold to attach his name on this to lend it credibility, and you'd need a few very organized and dedicated people to run the thing in a financially transparent manner. this would be a start.

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I think this is the way to go, the big name is gonna be what we need. You won't get a mainstream politician's name attached because they fear it would tarnish their name. We do need to do something. I hope we don't go down this easy because it would send the message that they can take away creatine and god forbid protein
 
Steroids shouldnt be legal... I dont feel that they should be a substance III drug, but I do feel they should be illegal. We're all aware of how dangerous steroids can be without research, knowledge and patients. If they were made legal, we'd see a lot of high school students stunting their growth, and possibly hurting hindering their health for their entire life. By legalizing these drugs, it would only make it easier and more appealing for young kids to use and try.
 
It'll never happen. AAS users won't choose to support a party that's pro steroids while discounting a party that is pro economics or pro health care, etc. Or rather, if they are smart they won't.

Let's face it, what's more important? The fact PH's will be illegal or whether or not the country's children are going to school hungry? I know where I'd put my vote.

AAS/PH's are nothing but recreational to us. There's no real reason for a group to lobby on behalf of those who want to use AAS unless of course you are arguing that we, as adults, should have the ability to decide what is and isn't appropriate for our bodies and even then I don't think AAS should be the main arguing point... perhaps something that does some good like Celebrex should ;)

Good luck though. I wish Governemnt would stay the **** out of my life though!
 
EastCoaster said:
Steroids shouldnt be legal... I dont feel that they should be a substance III drug, but I do feel they should be illegal. We're all aware of how dangerous steroids can be without research, knowledge and patients. If they were made legal, we'd see a lot of high school students stunting their growth, and possibly hurting hindering their health for their entire life. By legalizing these drugs, it would only make it easier and more appealing for young kids to use and try.
Cigarettes and Alcohol do the same. Alcohol can ruin your life instantly.

Put a 21 year old age limit on them and it's all good. Were they manufactured and sold "legally" OTC a lot more good information would be given to the public to educate them on steroids, pre, during, and post cycle. I'm all for the idea. If the gov't wants to regulate especially dangerous orals, i.e. M1T or Anadrol 50, I can see t hose needing a special circumstance for use.
 
re: Patrick Arnold

I don't think that guy will do **** for anybody. That's the biggest lost cause around. We should just keep our "leadership" as is and get the base motivated. Rick Collins is a good guy, and an attorney, I believe he'd be much more effective. Hell, Dr. D could replace PA...he's got extensive pharamcological knowledge (not volunteering you Dr. D, just giving examples that there are good guys around who can be of just as much help as PA, legend in his own mind). If we get an articulate Mr. O, with atleast 3/4 of a brain, ie. if Jay Cutler ever dried out and defined his back and glutes, we'd have another good spokesperson who could easily bring up public opinion of bodybuilders. We need an Arnold for the 21st century....
 
EastCoaster said:
Steroids shouldnt be legal... I dont feel that they should be a substance III drug, but I do feel they should be illegal. We're all aware of how dangerous steroids can be without research, knowledge and patients. If they were made legal, we'd see a lot of high school students stunting their growth, and possibly hurting hindering their health for their entire life. By legalizing these drugs, it would only make it easier and more appealing for young kids to use and try.

Yeah, because prior to them being illegal,In the EIGHTIES, there were 250lb ripped 10 year olds dropping dead from cancer and heart attacks left and right. High schools were running rampant with roid raging teenagers with stunted growth, oh and Lyle Alzado died of a brain tumor. Riiiiggghhhhtt.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Cigarettes and Alcohol do the same. Alcohol can ruin your life instantly.

Put a 21 year old age limit on them and it's all good. Were they manufactured and sold "legally" OTC a lot more good information would be given to the public to educate them on steroids, pre, during, and post cycle. I'm all for the idea. If the gov't wants to regulate especially dangerous orals, i.e. M1T or Anadrol 50, I can see t hose needing a special circumstance for use.

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y! I was at work tonight actually thinking about this (I work at GNC) and when I sold some DHEA a beacon popped up on the computer telling me to ask if they were 21....simple as that! It's really not that difficult to work out a solution to keep the kiddies from hurting themselves, but hey, who can disagree with the soccer moms of the nation? It really all boils down to the politicians personal agenda. I don't believe we have very many friends in D.C. anymore in general.
 
By the way, I'm willing to support a movement too, but not at the expense of the really important issues. I agree though, whateva we CAN do i'll help with.
 
Hate to be a party pooper, but it will never work.

There are groups advocating the legalization of this or that substance, whether you agree with it or not most of the crap the government has prohibited isn't harmful to you or others if used responsibly and in moderation. The problem is the general public doesn't give a **** one way or the other, and they probably never will. It's concentrated benefits and diffuse costs. Politicians have little or nothing to lose by making/keeping certain substances illegal, even if every user of those substances took their votes elsewhere. However, the benefits are clear and immediate. They get increased budgets for law enforcement to deal with all the new 'crime' that's created, they get to appear to 'be tough' on this or that, and even if doing so is completely pointless it doesn't matter because the majority of the people in the world don't know any better. They get increased control over the economy to help favored companies manage competition. They increase their power in general, which is always a wonderful thing to a government worker, elected, appointed or hired. What do they lose, the votes of an incredibly small minority of people? So what? It'd be no different if they outlawed a certain breed of dog that no one really gave a **** about. Most people aren't going to care, because even though their freedom has been restricted in a very real way it has no practical effect on them. Their oxe hasn't been gored, they don't care. Unless at some point in time they want that breed of dog and then they cry out at the injustice of it all.

We live in a democracy for all intents and purposes. Imagine a bell curve representing the general population and its intelligence. Now think of how incredibly dumb the average person is, and realize half of them are even dumber than that. Then realize that in a democracy all a politician needs to do to stay employed is essentially keep more than 50% of the population happy, or at least not too pissed. 50% of the population has trouble lacing its shoes. I'd hazard a guess that 50% of the population in this country hasn't read more than a few books all the way through, and those only because they were required reading in school. Way more than 50% of the population gets most if not all of its information from television, and sees nothing wrong with that. The government has default control over information and how it's presented through television and public schools, and even though other information sources are out there they really are marginal.

Even the people in that population who aren't that smart but who would help you often can't. They're likely the ones whose oxes were gored, and they got busted for steroid possesion. A lot of times people who get convicted of a felony drug charge lose the right to vote. A lot of times they have trouble finding employment with that on their record. What are they going to do to change things?

I used to be an optimist and an idealist. I still am to a degree. I vote Libertarian, I hope things change. But to be honest the pattern of history seems to be that governments just increase their power on and on over time until they finally piss enough people off and some sort of revolution, doesn't have to be bloody, occurs. In the United States at least people just aren't pissed off enough to revolt in any way. Most of them have a decent life, easy credit, a TV in every room of the house they bought with a government loan, a car to get around in, some kind of medical coverage, someone to crawl into the sack with at night, a pretty nice life overall. I forget who said it, but when it comes to the government it's too late to work within the system to change things, and it's too early to shoot the bastards.

The only way things will ever change, and I'm talking in a small way like making steroids legal but regulated, is if politicians and beauracrats see it's in their interest to change those laws and that in doing so they won't piss off enough people to make it not worth doing. To do that you have to pull money out of their pockets, threaten their employment, etc. They're not going to give a **** otherwise.

One piece of advice, as far as letter writing campaigns go, keep letters to yes or no. I do or do not support this or that law, that's it. Lengthy letters giving reasons and discussing principles get thrown out. Whenever politicians are receiving letters about this or that piece of legislation they usually make three piles. Those in support of the legislation, those opposed, and one pile for the interesting ones written by people who wear tin foil hats to stop the CIA from listening to their thoughts. Lengthy letters discussing principles or not giving a clear yay or nay in the first sentence end up in this third pile or in the shredder. Then they count the other two piles and find a way to justify a position in support of the one that had the most letters. Simple and to the point.

Beyond that there's really nothing you can do. Taking out ads in the paper doesn't really do much, people don't read them. Billboards in he subways don't do ****. The government might actively supress them in fact, they've done so with ad campaigns from marijuana legalization groups. Usually nothing happens, sometimes enough of a free speech stink is made that a judge decides against the government, but in the end the ads usually disappear anyway because few if any people want them there to begin with. The public just doesn't have the specialized information necessary to make an educated decision in most cases, and most of them wouldn't give a **** even if they did have the info, because it doesn't personally matter to them.

Once more, sorry to be a party pooper, but realize how hard the effort will be, and it will likely be ineffective. Not because you're wrong or because there's a conspiracy. People honestly just don't care. If you can make them care, that might make a difference. Look at the case of marijuana again. The biggest and best thing marijuana legalization has going for it is medical marijuana, and even though none of the activists say it of course that's a backdoor to open up the discussion of legalization. It's not harmless stuff but it's a pretty mild drug, and if the medical case gets made, and it's got enough evidence to possibly get through, it becomes more acceptable, more good information is available about the drug to the general public and eventually a choice gets made, and maybe it gets legalized and maybe not, depending on how the public feels basically. It'd depend on their experience, are most people being responsible or are hardcore stoners being assholes and fucking people's **** up? Same goes for 'roids.

If I recall the FDA recently approved a couple steroids the government has been demonizing for a while for the treatment of wasting associated with AIDS and cancer. There's your in. The prohibition of drugs hinders their development. It's possible some drug company somewhere might develop a steroid that truly is safe. One with minimal side effects but with most if not all of the benefits. But even if they can do research, who's going to develop a drug that, if effective, would be on the black market faster than **** through a goose, cause all kinds of bad publicity, etc? That there is a responsible, safe, and necessary role for steroids in the treatment of various diseases, especially politically correct diseases like AIDS and cancer, and that their prohibition negatively affects the development of newer and safer drugs, is a good way to open the door to legalization.

To be honest, I think that's the only route that's worth trying. It simultaneously helps push good information into the public's mind while at the same time generates sympathy and support in that same public. Good info doesn't matter if they don't give a ****, and even if they do care and admit steroids can help a few people who need help bad, it doesn't matter if they still think steroids in general come from Satan and are evil.

At least that's how I see it, take from it what you will.
 
If I recall the FDA recently approved a couple steroids the government has been demonizing for a while for the treatment of wasting associated with AIDS and cancer. There's your in. The prohibition of drugs hinders their development. It's possible some drug company somewhere might develop a steroid that truly is safe. One with minimal side effects but with most if not all of the benefits. But even if they can do research, who's going to develop a drug that, if effective, would be on the black market faster than **** through a goose, cause all kinds of bad publicity, etc? That there is a responsible, safe, and necessary role for steroids in the treatment of various diseases, especially politically correct diseases like AIDS and cancer, and that their prohibition negatively affects the development of newer and safer drugs, is a good way to open the door to legalization.
Viagra has a MUCH larger black market production and following than every steroid in the history fo the world combined. It's bad press is minimal. The existance of a black market doesn't do much of anything for a drug's reputation.


What needs to be done is somehow change the media protrayal of steroids. I'm starting to see more and more articles being published in major media outlets that look at the steroid issue from both sides, and in some cases are actually pro-steroid. With that I have also actually noticed more people saying that they either don't care if athletes use steroids, and they don't really see anything bad about them. Whereas in previous years quite literally almost every single person I knew was of the opinion that steroids are the tool of satan and steroid users should be drawn and quartered.

The media has the true power to change the public's opinion. They love sensationalism, and if someone simply found a way to give them a sensational story that was PRO-steroid; that's when you'd have a change.





ADDENDUM:

Also regarding ignoring other issues, how do you think the gun lobby has gained so much power? The NRA ONLY votes on gun control issues. That's it. Whoever is pro-gun and anti-control gets their vote, plain and simple. They vote on no other issue. For most members, it is only a hobby, but they feel that the right to bear arms is important enough that this is the only way to keep that freedom. They leave the other issues up to the rest of the public.

That is the whole idea behind a "special interest group." SIGs wield power BECAUSE they only vote on one issue. It is the reason that even though over 70% of the American public was for renewing the assault weapons ban, it wasn't renewed anyway; the NRA would have voted everyone who ok'd it out of office no matter what their stances were on other issues. That is the only way to gain political power as a special interest group. To vote on ONLY your issue and your issue alone.
 
CDB said:
Imagine a bell curve representing the general population and its intelligence. Now think of how incredibly dumb the average person is, and realize half of them are even dumber than that. Then realize that in a democracy all a politician needs to do to stay employed is essentially keep more than 50% of the population happy, or at least not too pissed. 50% of the population has trouble lacing its shoes. I'd hazard a guess that 50% of the population in this country hasn't read more than a few books all the way through, and those only because they were required reading in school. Way more than 50% of the population gets most if not all of its information from television, and sees nothing wrong with that.
:goodpost: This is so true. I think I'll put this in my signature.
 
You have to understand, the media in general is liberal. The liberal media is against anything that really furthers men to be more like men. You can thank feminists for that. The "both sides of the coin" issue is definitely good but in my opinion, the damage is already done in society. People look at steroid users with disgust. Alcohol does damage to you but thats just considered Friday night fun. Do a cycle of Test and people think you're pure evil. Even if the media decided to go overwhelmingly for steroids, it will take years, perhaps a decade or two (ie, a new generation of kids raising up to be consumers) before steroids would start to get back on its feet.

The media also likes negative stories. The positive reports they give are token and only are for those major events in which its very tough to claim negativity (note: Iraq Elections but even the media bashed it two days later). Steroids attract negative press like flies on ****. How many steroid users overall know PCT? Maybe 1 in 3 at the very most. How many steroid users turn into arrogant dickheads that beat the **** out of anyone who looks at them wrong? A lot of people (although everyone here doesn't act that way, in general, its different). Plus with baseball scandals, olympians trying to get one over on testers, and all that, combines into one snowball of negative press that will get bigger before it gets smaller. Having assholes like John McCain and Joe Biden trying to get political gain from it doesn't help.

That said, if there is a pro steroid lobby, I would definitely financially contribute. I'm a Republican with Libertarian leanings and want to see these drugs legal or at least supervised by a doctor but its the person that chooses to take them. I think the pro steroid lobby going straight towards 100% steroid freedom would be foolish as thats asking for trouble. They'd have to phase it in like perhaps this:

1) Propose its health benefits and those who already benefitted from using it. Maybe have an AIDS patient (who got it from a blood transfusion accident or something) who said without steroids, his cell counts would have been too low (or whatever reason why AIDS/HIV patients are given AAS). Make people see that its not just 15 year olds that use it. People need it.

2) Spread information as much as possible. Frequently send letters/editorials to any newspaper that allows freelance writers or public's opinions. Let voices be heard and let it be heard intelligently. The voice of the well informed will destroy the myth that all steroid users have uncontrollable roid rage. Columns are starting to approach steroids from a neutral stance. We need more of these and more positive ones.

3) Speak up loud. The ACLU and all these ultra left organizations helped take down Christmas displays across the nation. People spoke up at the last minute but do you know why this small percentage of people get what they want over a large percentage? They speak up! As much as I despise them, I respect their ability to speak on their issues. More of this needs to be done, not some token statement after a supplement is banned or after a yellow paper like anti AAS article is out. Speak up and speak loud. I suppose this works with #2 but seriously, it works.

I think these three things can do a lot of changes. It will take a while but we have got to get going on getting this **** legalized. Marijuana is on the edge of getting legalized for medicinal uses in the US. Steroids could be the next on deck if we get our **** together and work hard towards this.
 
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