"Somethings happening here..."?
- 03-17-2013, 10:28 PM
"Somethings happening here..."?
An interesting article in Forbes highlighting Homeland Security's purchase of enough ammo to run a 20 year long hot war or sustain 100 years of target practice ( the relevance of modern weapons in 100 years?) along with new armored vehicles and cons$50, 000, 000 spent on new uniforms.
1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation - Forbes
The title is a reference to Buffalo Springfield
- 03-18-2013, 10:16 AM
03-18-2013, 11:45 AM
03-18-2013, 11:50 AM
They are getting ready for massive civil unrest and the Patriots are being targeted as the new "domestic terrorist." You will see more propaganda associating the patriot and liberty groups with racist groups that they are "dangerous." The SPLC has started to lead this charge. The patriot groups have nothing in common with the KKK, but they are consitutionalist and therefore a "threat." Look at all the "training" exercises in urban areas firing blank rounds from helicopters and small arms like in Miami, Canergie High School in Houston, LA etc. They call this "familiarization" so people start getting used to it.
Better start preparing if you haven't yet...
03-18-2013, 12:29 PM
F*** THE GOVERNMENT
My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.
03-18-2013, 12:39 PM
“Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don't let our enemies have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" - General Secretary of The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Joseph Stalin.
03-18-2013, 12:42 PM
Regardless of your side of the aisle, I hope you back Rand Paul. His crusade on Drones was historic. And his own party kicking him after the fact.
Useless ass McCain and Graham.
The Historic PES Legend
03-18-2013, 02:18 PM
You should look into the FEMA camps and determent centers going up across the country.
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03-18-2013, 02:39 PM
His 13 hour - or however long it was - grandstand was nothing more than a show, I'd surmise. It was good publicity for his future endeavors but did nothing to solve the problem.
He wanted to know if you could use a drone strike to kill a US citizen, on US soil, unprovoked (assassination style). Eventually the reply came back -
During his 13 hours on the Senate floor, Paul repeatedly asked whether Obama believed he had the authority to kill an American, on U.S. soil, who was not “actively attacking” America. The question prompted Holder to respond. “Dear Senator Paul,” Holder said in a 43-word letter. “It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no.” Holder didn't use the phrase “actively attacking.” And administration officials privately agreed on Friday that “not engaged in combat” was the key phrase going forward. None of them agreed to define the expression on the record.
You have to realize with the expansion of "cyber terrorist" you could actively be "attacking", AKA "engaged in combat", by being a "cyber terrorist" if you were on a computer. You could also be "engaged in combat" by talking on the phone, giving the "enemy" information.
What I also have not heard anyone bring up, which is even more troubling than using drones to assassinate Americans, during this entire "American on American Soil" debate, is the Posse Comitatus Act. The military is not allowed to operate on American soil regardless, why are they asking if the military can use a drone to do it?
Obviously from Holders response, the military can assassinate American's, when they're engaged in combat, whatever that may be.
Back to Rand Paul - Like anyone else - he has good points, and he says a lot of things I agree with. But you have to remember the game is rigged, and voting for the next president of the corrupt casino is not going to help change the odds in your favor. The system is broken and continues to decline, regardless of the R or D we have sitting in the white house. You're allowed to vote so you can keep hoping the next guy will solve the problems, don't get discouraged, the next one will solve the problem! Keep voting.. We'll get there. Except that's historically inaccurate. The decline continues on the downward path, and by participating you're only spending your energy where it's hopeless.
Find the solution outside of the corruption.
03-18-2013, 02:53 PM
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03-18-2013, 03:23 PM
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03-18-2013, 03:41 PM
03-18-2013, 04:31 PM
03-18-2013, 04:39 PM
Tex, I'll check out the article later but does it say the funding will be spread divided amongst its agencies? CBP, ICE, USCG ect
03-18-2013, 04:45 PM
03-18-2013, 04:49 PM
The uniform money was for TSA uniforms, I've read reported elsewhere.
The ammo was purchased by the DHS through a purchase order, that's how the media found out since government agencies have to let the public bid on contracts, it was publicly posted.
So theoretically they could be allocating the ammo to any of their agencies, but the DHS has a minimal amount of personnel that carry guns, at least in the scope of such a large number of ammo purchased.
03-18-2013, 04:54 PM
When you look at all of the puzzle pieces - new uniforms, huge amounts of ammo, armored personnel carriers and THIS -
w w w theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/19/company-with-ties-to-the-federal-govt-designs-unsettling-targets-for-law-enforcement-community/
Company With Ties to the Federal Gov’t Designs Unsettling Targets for Law Enforcement Community
“What if I told you police in your town could desensitize themselves to the idea of shooting a (armed) child, pregnant woman, or young mother, for just a couple of bucks?” Reason’s Mike Riggs asks.
“Considering that the company has landed $5.5 million worth of contracts with the federal government,” Riggs notes, “it might also be interesting to know if these targets are being used by federal law enforcement agents.”
It's painting an interesting picture.
03-18-2013, 04:55 PM
I figured there would be a logical explanation. Does the DHS act as a purchasing department for various organizations typically?
I don't usually get wrapped up in conspiracies but Forbes isn't exactly a paranoid corner of the internet or the New York times. I hope they don't turn to dirt reporting.
03-18-2013, 05:06 PM
-United States Citizenship and Immigration Services
-U.S. Customs and Border Protection
-Federal Emergency Management Agency
-U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
-Transportation Security Administration
-United States Coast Guard
-National Protection and Programs Directorate
-United States Secret Service
I could see how that funding could be rightfully spread through those agencies. "100 years of target practice" Sure, 100 cumulative years. Not 100 years for each individual agency. Especially for the different types of weapons they're armed with. I haven't read the article yet but from how it sounds, it seems the media just twisted everything.
03-18-2013, 05:53 PM
03-18-2013, 06:00 PM
03-18-2013, 06:06 PM
Texas is correct, though I'm sure our ammo is funded through DOD. All those agencies carry on a daily basis except FEMA and Citizenship & Immigration services. Not a lot in TSA obviously
03-18-2013, 06:08 PM
Ignoring the fact that they purchased mostly 40 cal hollow point (which is illegal in war) and pointless in target practice compared to cheaper ball ammo.
120,000 divided by 2 billion is 16,666 rounds per person.
03-18-2013, 06:09 PM
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