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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown

    Freedom from religion. If marriage is religious then the government can't view it as a legal binding and if it isn't religious then the church needs to stop complaining. Pick one either way they deserve the right to marry which includes over a thousand rights that gay couples miss out on from tax cuts to simple things like family value packs at theme parks
    how is the federal government prohibiting gay marriage now?

    it's not. and gay marriage is recognized in certain states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494

    Give me a list of non liberal news organizations.

    And if you think the general population reads about politics your out of your mind. There is a reason really TV is the most viewed... People are stupid
    BBC. But I feel like it could be argued all news forms are biased in the us. We're human we're biased until we have computers tell us the news it will be biased
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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown

    That would e like me saying you have a right to be Christian but then the government takes away your rights to marry but hey it's okay as long as you can still be a Christian Right?
    Only reasons people are against gay marriage is 1 they are religious, 2 it is out of the norm and they feel it is not right. Its called Taboo. They're is a reason why boys have a penis and girls have a vagina. If they want to be gay that fine by me it's there life let them do what they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown

    BBC. But I feel like it could be argued all news forms are biased in the us. We're human we're biased until we have computers tell us the news it will be biased
    Nothing is wrong with being biased. But it is not right when they lie to the american people because they are in bed with the president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Then you must be very concerned over Rev. Graham endorsing Mr. Romney, breaching the separation of Church and state.
    Why would I be worried about a man of God endorsing the candidate who's personal values on the important social issues best represent the Bible's? The first amendment prevents the government from establishing one religious institution over another. In no way does it prohibit a religious institution/individual's ability to promote one candidate over another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown View Post
    False. Obama will continue the rate reduction on subsidized loans that wa enacted in 2007. Romney will end it allowing it to literally double. Eff that
    I don't believe you know the economics side of what you are looking for. That hand out you are receiving is the very reason of the skyrocketing tuition. It is a pay me now, or pay me later.

    The whole Dept. of Education is unconstitutional, and federal student loans are a parasite on American society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown View Post
    BBC. But I feel like it could be argued all news forms are biased in the us. We're human we're biased until we have computers tell us the news it will be biased
    BBC is biased against America in general. Regardless of what we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494

    Nothing is wrong with being biased. But it is not right when they lie to the american people because they are in bed with the president.
    Lol it's kind of like the turd sandwich an douche argument previously stated. Regardless we're getting lied to.

    Colbert once worded it that its like parents lying to their kids because the kid doesn't really wantto know what happens in the bed room lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982

    I don't believe you know the economics side of what you are looking for. That hand out you are receiving is the very reason of the skyrocketing tuition. It is a pay me now, or pay me later.

    The whole Dept. of Education is unconstitutional, and federal student loans are a parasite on American society.
    This. College education is not a right, is a privilege.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982

    I don't believe you know the economics side of what you are looking for. That hand out you are receiving is the very reason of the skyrocketing tuition. It is a pay me now, or pay me later.

    The whole Dept. of Education is unconstitutional, and federal student loans are a parasite on American society.
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    Oh, and I am for Gary Johnson.. just to be clear here.

    For the sheer fact he supports the FairTax act, he is my 100% choice. Get 100% of the population paying taxes at the register and giving the people below the poverty line prebates... a win right there.
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    I'm killing myself.
    You are in the UK... and?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown View Post
    Freedom from religion. If marriage is religious then the government can't view it as a legal binding and if it isn't religious then the church needs to stop complaining. Pick one either way they deserve the right to marry which includes over a thousand rights that gay couples miss out on from tax cuts to simple things like family value packs at theme parks
    That's the thing. Marriage is a legal and a religious institution. Christian marriage is a pact before God where you as a couple are vowing a life of submission to the Almighty and one another. It is an institution set-up by God Himself from the beginning.

    Legal marriage is something set-up by the government and dictated by laws. Those laws should not infringe on the rights of religious institutions, and as someone who firmly believes homosexuality to be a sin I do not want to see my government elevate it to the point of God's intended purpose.

    As for the "family value packs", that is purely a business issue.
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    In that case it should be legal. The ancient Greeks who lived thousands of years before the bible existed did not even have a word for sexuality and 'gay' marriage was norm. By this definition Greek views I marriage should be allowed so its okay for gays to get married as long as they swear to Zeus and not god?
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    Obama is nothing more than a celebrity... He says what he wants people to hear, he is living life like a movie star.
    Not saying I like Romney, but Obama does not deserve to be president for how he has "used" us for a 4 year vacation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown View Post
    In that case it should be legal. The ancient Greeks who lived thousands of years before the bible existed did not even have a word for sexuality and 'gay' marriage was norm. By this definition Greek views I marriage should be allowed so its okay for gays to get married as long as they swear to Zeus and not god?
    If you believe gay marriage should be legal, then you are entitled to your opinion on the matter as am I. That's the beauty of voting our beliefs. I personally do not want to see gay marriage be legal. So, I voted for Romney. Not the only reason, but one of many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    That's because there's such a large wage discrepancy that most folk in the country are too poor to have to pay taxes. Mitt Romney does not support the middle class, nor does he seem even capable or relating to them. His flip-flopping is ridiculously rapid and opportunistic.

    His religion officially believed that black people were inferior until 1978 - he was an adult and member of the LDS at that point.

    He is the only presidential candidate in decades to fail to release his tax returns in their entirety to the public and he admits to having several offshore accounts in the Cayman islands.

    He outsourced thousands of jobs during his time at Bain Capitol, a trend that company continues in even now during his campaign.

    For tax purposes, He claimed to retire from his position as CEO with Bain in 1999, but documents signed by him as CEO in 2002 are on file with SEC which is fraud.

    He refuses to admit that people die due to lack of healthcare.

    He said he wants monetary incentives to accomplish goals as president.

    He got Billy Graham to endorse him, effectively destroying the separation of church and state. Shame on Graham too.

    His campaign contributions have majoritively come from a few very select wealthy businessmen, not people like you and me. He doesn't and won't represent our interests.

    Do not take this as a pro-Obama post by any means. We are very much in a "Douche and Turd Sandwich" situation.
    Explain to me any of this is useful to your argument.

    So his religion thought a minority was inferior, so by association he is bad? (Or are we not believing Obama's Rev Wright connections, and being a student of the Weather Underground has any impact upon his character?)

    Why do I care if he releases his Tax returns? he can have all the money he wants offshore, he did nothing illegal. I find him smart as **** to hide his money for our overtaxing government.

    Reduce the Corp Tax rate from teh worlds highest, and those jobs will begin to return... again, how is he responsible for this?

    The rest is nothing but talking points propaganda that I care not to look into.

    You are hating the player, not the game.

    BTW, I am not for Romney or Obama, but I don't see the travesty here. To think that either Obama or Romney is for the middle class is looking through some rose colored glasses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermanjow View Post
    That's the thing. Marriage is a legal and a religious institution. Christian marriage is a pact before God where you as a couple are vowing a life of submission to the Almighty and one another. It is an institution set-up by God Himself from the beginning.

    Legal marriage is something set-up by the government and dictated by laws. Those laws should not infringe on the rights of religious institutions, and as someone who firmly believes homosexuality to be a sin I do not want to see my government elevate it to the point of God's intended purpose.

    As for the "family value packs", that is purely a business issue.
    We are a country that wants to be disobedient to and free from God yet want Him to bless us too.

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    As for the "family value packs", that is purely a business issue.
    "Gay family value packs" is quite the oxy-moron
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    I love how Obama gets the Gay Marriage vote.

    The president can do nothing about Gay Marriage. I don't care who he is, or what he believes. It is a state issue, vote for the senator you believe in for that issue.

    Ironically Obama was anti gay marriage as seen in his 2008 debate due to religious convictions. If he folds due to pressure from a group on a religious belief, just goes to show why we cow tow to foreign nations now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982
    I love how Obama gets the Gay Marriage vote.

    The president can do nothing about Gay Marriage. I don't care who he is, or what he believes. It is a state issue, vote for the senator you believe in for that issue.

    Ironically Obama was anti gay marriage as seen in his 2008 debate due to religious convictions. If he folds due to pressure from a group on a religious belief, just goes to show why we cow tow to foreign nations now.
    watch them both buckle to the UN's Internet tax, agenda 21, and gun laws
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    Well that's because of this whole 'Christian nation' ideology. Everyone was up in arms that Obama was a Muslim. Honestly I could give a **** less because the president should represent all people and religions. So I support his platforms removal of Christianity as well as support of gay rights wether or not he can do anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    watch them both buckle to the UN's Internet tax, agenda 21, and gun laws
    Something I am afraid of. The UN World Tax that specifically targets the US, and the UN Gun Control Treaty scares the crap out of me. In direct conflict with many constitutional amendments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Something I am afraid of. The UN World Tax that specifically targets the US, and the UN Gun Control Treaty scares the crap out of me. In direct conflict with many constitutional amendments.
    I agree completely!!!
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    That's what we need - a godless gay country. Too bad people can't see what that will devolve us to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown View Post
    Well that's because of this whole 'Christian nation' ideology. Everyone was up in arms that Obama was a Muslim. Honestly I could give a **** less because the president should represent all people and religions. So I support his platforms removal of Christianity as well as support of gay rights wether or not he can do anything about it.
    you don't find it disingenuous to be someone you are not just to be re-elected?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    you don't find it disingenuous to be someone you are not just to be re-elected?
    Kind of goes with the job doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown View Post
    For me it's about a main problem right now which is college I've graduated and have oodles of debt. Ronny would allow more privatization of loans and literally allow private companies to choose their own interest rates(which means a double of interest rates)

    Many if my rates are already in the double digits an I can't afford more debt. Obama has provided me tax breaks and allowances every year for college and keeps these companies in check with a maximum interest rate.
    That's my main issues.

    Also the gay rights thing is killing Romney every year more and more people are in support of gay rights and Obama dropping 'god' from the platform and taking a strong stance on gay marriage only makes my choice easier
    loan rates are fixed when you get the loan, so thats unimportant. The reason you had to borrow so much? just like with the housing crisis, the easier money was to borrow, the more schools could afford to raise tuition and people didn't care. They had no need to be competitive pricewise as the government kept making student loans cheaper and cheaper in repayment. 99% of people wouldn't care whether they paid $20,000 or $25,000 for a car, so long as their 5 year payments were $400 on it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    That's what we need - a godless gay country. Too bad people can't see what that will devolve us to.
    I can; and it is sad.

    Many, many people appear to be completely blind to what will be the likely result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermanjow View Post
    Location: UK. Hmm...
    I dont like Romney.. though saying that one thing can change a man's mind. And I'm not too into American Politics
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    I'm killing myself.
    You're should probably do that if Obama gets elected too. That way my tax dollars go to one less person wanting free handouts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by crispycrown

    For me it's about a main problem right now which is college I've graduated and have oodles of debt. Ronny would allow more privatization of loans and literally allow private companies to choose their own interest rates(which means a double of interest rates)

    Many if my rates are already in the double digits an I can't afford more debt. Obama has provided me tax breaks and allowances every year for college and keeps these companies in check with a maximum interest rate.
    That's my main issues.

    Also the gay rights thing is killing Romney every year more and more people are in support of gay rights and Obama dropping 'god' from the platform and taking a strong stance on gay marriage only makes my choice easier
    If you privatize loans interest rates will likely drop to market competitiveness. That's how business works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn
    That's what we need - a godless gay country. Too bad people can't see what that will devolve us to.
    i think it's more like people don't care...in which case i think we are already as well off as though we were such a country.

    I can only hope the belief and wants of the few will be enough to save us from the inevitable future for a lil longer.

    No one seems to care about the core beliefs this country was founded on and def don't care about the future of human kind as a species.

    Coupled with a government that is no longer for the people as a whole but it's own interest along with those who have enough to buy their "rights"... i don't see us lasting much longer as a nation, let alone a people righteous enough to be spared from our own undoing.

    I would love to say i would vote for mit as i too am lds... but he certainly also has his own special interest groups backing him and quite honestly the president we elect now def won't be our saving grace 10 years from now, it's all the other politicians, congressmen and our rights being forfeited with new laws made daily that we need to pay attention to... but getting Mr. Executive order abuser out of office NOW wouldn't hurt in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stroke UR Ego View Post
    I dont like Romney.. though saying that one thing can change a man's mind. And I'm not too into American Politics
    Then what makes you think you're qualified to say anything?! That's just stupid. That's about as bad as the people who voted for Obama the first time merely because he would then be the first black president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermanjow View Post
    Then what makes you think you're qualified to say anything?! That's just stupid. That's about as bad as the people who voted for Obama the first time merely because he would then be the first black president.
    I'm qualified because I'm better than you. Besides that, do we all need to be experts.. watching every broadcast of every politician to make our own opinion/judgement ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    That's what we need - a godless gay country. Too bad people can't see what that will devolve us to.
    You're somewhat homophobic ? also I don't agree how religion can effect law.

    I'm not an Atheist nor Satanist (I have my own separate-non infectious beliefs) but you Christian/Islamic etc. folks are beyond a pathetic level of stupidity/insanity, Insignificant by-products such as yourself should be killed, in the billions sadly.

    From your idiotic opinion, you clearly still live in you're narrow minded, dream world.

    You are as equivalent to a racist.. Do you also hate black people ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stroke UR Ego

    You're somewhat homophobic ? also I don't agree how religion can effect law.

    I'm not an Atheist nor Satanist (I have my own separate-non infectious beliefs) but you Christian/Islamic etc. folks are beyond a pathetic level of stupidity/insanity, Insignificant by-products such as yourself should be killed, in the billions sadly.

    From your idiotic opinion, you clearly still live in you're narrow minded, dream world.

    You are as equivalent to a racist.. Do you also hate black people ?

    Probably get banned for this due to severe butt-hurt burdened upon a parasitic admin. (Big words todays AM users, but I somewhat destroy people that disagree or criticise) So I leave you with this...

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    what good has Obama done for you? serious question. since he has become president, what is better?
    Created traffic and made me late to work where 1/3 of my paycheck gets donated to his crew for their own ideas of distribution.

    In my opinion: both these guys are goons. It's another round of picking the better of two bad choices. I don't wanna vote for either of them because as a mid-20s single, white, middle class American with full time employment and no dependents and little investment options I'm screwed either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stroke UR Ego View Post
    I'm qualified because I'm better than you. Besides that, do we all need to be experts.. watching every broadcast of every politician to make our own opinion/judgement ?
    When the issue is who is going to be placed in charge of the nation I live in, I would like that person to have made a reasonable effort to have understood what each candidate stands for. Likewise, a statement made by someone outside of the deciding country with the intention of swaying someone to vote one way or the other is a pretty serious matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stroke UR Ego

    You're somewhat homophobic ? also I don't agree how religion can effect law.

    I'm not an Atheist nor Satanist (I have my own separate-non infectious beliefs) but you Christian/Islamic etc. folks are beyond a pathetic level of stupidity/insanity, Insignificant by-products such as yourself should be killed, in the billions sadly.

    From your idiotic opinion, you clearly still live in you're narrow minded, dream world.

    You are as equivalent to a racist.. Do you also hate black people ?

    Probably get banned for this due to severe butt-hurt burdened upon a parasitic admin. (Big words todays AM users, but I somewhat destroy people that disagree or criticise) So I leave you with this...

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    I also love how you misconstrued morals and want for natural perpetuation of the human race into homophobia.
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