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    Washington Post: Kerry may want to run in 2008


    The guy doesn't get it. Neither the Democrats or Republicans like him. And now, the Media dislikes him. Seems like a 'slam-dunk' in 2008.

    'Fired Up' Kerry Returning to Senate
    Aides Say He Wants to Act as Counter to Bush, and Possibly Run in 2008

    By Mike Allen
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Tuesday, November 9, 2004; Page A02

    Democrat John F. Kerry plans to use his Senate seat and long lists of supporters to remain a major voice in American politics despite losing the presidential race last Tuesday, and he is assessing the feasibility of trying again in 2008, friends and aides said yesterday.

    Kerry will attend a post-election lame-duck Senate session that begins next week and has said he is "fired up" to play a highly visible role, the friends and aides said.

    Aides said Kerry is relishing the prospect of renewed combat with President Bush, fighting such measures as the president's proposal to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling. Kerry has spent most of the past two years on the campaign trail, meaning that his return to Capitol Hill will be something of a reintroduction to colleagues.

    Kerry's plans contrast starkly with the approach taken by former vice president Al Gore, who all but disappeared from the political scene after losing to Bush in the disputed 2000 presidential election.

    Kerry fueled talk about a 2008 bid during remarks at a Washington restaurant Saturday night. He provoked a thunderous reaction by reminding about 400 campaign aides and volunteers that Ronald Reagan twice sought the Republican nomination for president before winning it in 1980.

    "Sometimes God tests you," Kerry told the crowd at H20, a restaurant on the Potomac waterfront, according to an aide. "I'm a fighter, and I've come back before."

    Bob Shrum, Kerry's chief campaign consultant, told reporters during a Democratic panel yesterday that Kerry "will not do what Al Gore did after the last election -- he will not disappear."

    "He will be active and vocal," Shrum said. "He has one of the most powerful lists in the Democratic Party and one of the most powerful fundraising bases in the Democratic Party, and I think he intends to use it to speak out."

    Several Democrats expressed skepticism about Kerry's plans, saying they believe the party needs a fresh face and must turn a corner. One well-known Democratic operative who worked with the Kerry campaign said opposition to Bush, not excitement about Kerry, was behind the senator's fundraising success. "If he thinks he's going to capitalize on that going forward, he's in for a surprise," said the operative, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    Another Democrat involved in Kerry's campaign strategy -- who also spoke on the condition of anonymity, in order to be more candid -- said: "I can't imagine people are going to say, 'It worked pretty well last time. This is what we need next time.' "

    Kerry has mostly remained at his Boston home since Election Day and has spent some of that time preparing for his return to the Senate. The friends and aides said he wants to use his new following and credibility to become a major force on legislation that will extend well beyond his previous portfolio of national security issues.

    The senator from Massachusetts is also contemplating establishing a political action committee and perhaps a think tank to elevate his role during the jockeying over the definition and leadership of the Democratic Party. Kerry lost to Bush by three percentage points in the popular vote and by 34 electoral votes. The president carried 31 states to 19 for Kerry.

    Shrum made his remarks in an appearance at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast with James Carville, chief strategist of Bill Clinton's first presidential campaign, and Stan Greenberg, a Democratic pollster. The session started out as a clinical dissection of what went right for Bush and wrong for Kerry.

    But it quickly became a blunt, emotional discussion of the future of the Democratic Party -- a high-decibel preview of countless conversations that will occur as Democrats try to figure out how to retake the White House after winning only twice in the past seven elections.

    "I'm not in denial. Reality hit me," Carville said. "Let's take the greatest morality story of all -- we're born again," he added, in a play on words connoting both his view that the party needs a fundamental change, as well as the importance of evangelical Christians to Bush.

    "We have to treat the disease, not the symptom," Carville said. "The purpose of a political party is to win elections, and we're not doing that."

    Carville said that the party's concern about interest groups had resulted in "litanies, not a narrative."

    "The party needs a narrative," he said. adding later that one possibility would to become "an aggressively reform, anti-Washington, anti-business-as-usual party."

    Greenberg said that big forces had been at work in the election, meaning that mere tinkering was not the answer for Democrats. He said Bush had cleverly freed himself from the normal standards by which an incumbent is judged.

    "In being successful in making the election about security/safety and values," Greenberg said, "they don't say, 'Vote for us because we're making progress.' They say, 'Vote for our worldview.' " Greenberg said that "downscale America, starting with rural voters and cascading with older, blue-collar America, shifted to Bush" in the last 10 days of the race, including some union voters.

    Shrum said of the campaign's decision to emphasize a final-week revelation about missing explosives in Iraq: "There wasn't disagreement inside the campaign about that. So if it was a mistake, it was a mistake that we all share responsibility for."

    Shrum acknowledged that he had not seen the problems at the time, saying that he believed on Election Day and the night before that Kerry would win. "All the polls appeared to be moving in the right direction," Shrum said. "We thought, 'We're ahead in the battleground states, we'll win in the battleground states.' "

    Also yesterday, the Associated Press quoted a party veteran as saying that Howard Dean, who lost the nomination fight to Kerry, is considering a bid to become chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
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    Oh no Kerry is "fired up".
    I can only imagine what that is like.
    Too bad he didn't get "fired up" in the past 12months.
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    I don't think I can handle listening to him run his mouth for another campaign.
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    I dont know that Gore 'disappeared' either....
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    It will be interesting to see what happens. Who is installed as the chairman of the DNC will tell allot. If it is a Clinton person that means they still have a stranglehold on the democratic party. If that happens Hillary will get the nomination. If it's someone like Howard dean who isn't a Clinton puppet it will indication the they are losing control. Hillary wants to be president. The dynamics of this election don't indicate picking someone like Hillary would be a good choice as a presidential candidate. She will be seen as a liberal senator from NY ,though she has four years to try to change this. I am sure there are people in the democrat party see this and don't want her to run. So there might be a war between fractions of the democrat party. Kerry will be competing against Hillary in the next election. At this point I don't think he would get the nomination again.
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    Kerry vs. Hilary
    thats the same person basically
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    i wish ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani would run for republicans instead of Bush.
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    I think he'll be the guy in 2008
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    Quote Originally Posted by mass_builder
    i wish ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani would run for republicans instead of Bush.
    Kind of late to be wishing that, eh?
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    I think it's funny that now all the Democrats are willing to "admit" that there was just a big anti-bush movement going on and not a pro-kerry one. I laughed when I read this:

    "One well-known Democratic operative who worked with the Kerry campaign said opposition to Bush, not excitement about Kerry, was behind the senator's fundraising success. "If he thinks he's going to capitalize on that going forward, he's in for a surprise," said the operative, who spoke on the condition of anonymity."
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    John Kerry is damaged goods at this point. Hasta la pasta. It's a joke that the guy was even able to run, much less run a second time. I mean, this guy isn't Joe Biden (obvioulsy not too popular on these boards, but he's had a heck of a lot more leadership and bill-writing experience than John Kerry and been more responsible with his position, as well).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtruther
    John Kerry is damaged goods at this point. Hasta la pasta. It's a joke that the guy was even able to run, much less run a second time. I mean, this guy isn't Joe Biden (obvioulsy not too popular on these boards, but he's had a heck of a lot more leadership and bill-writing experience than John Kerry and been more responsible with his position, as well).
    Ha, ha...got that right
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    You guys act like Kerry got blown out, he lost by one state, if he wins ohio he's president, I don't see why he wouldn't have a chance at winning in 2004, but than again he lost to one of the worst presidents in history so who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by afgmuscle
    You guys act like Kerry got blown out, he lost by one state, if he wins ohio he's president, I don't see why he wouldn't have a chance at winning in 2004, but than again he lost to one of the worst presidents in history so who knows?
    meant 2008 haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by afgmuscle
    meant 2008 haha
    You can edit your posts.

    You also have to remember that Bush got over 50% of the vote this time, which is the first time that that has happened since 1988, and that Kerry lost the election at the same time that Democrats lost several seats in the Senate and the House. Those facts alone make him look pretty bad, even if they're not entirely his fault.

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    The Dems and the country have a long memory. I can't name a person (in my memory) that ran an campaign, lost then ran an won the nomination. Kerry will be lucky to get out the gate.

    As for the ex Mayor of NY, I lot of people would like to see him run, but the guy's got a lot of skeletons in his closet. Plus the Bush's arn't to happy with him right now. And the BUsh's do have a grip on the Republicians.
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    Bush was the first 50%+ president since Reagan II
    Proportionally Kerry got shat on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LCSULLA
    The Dems and the country have a long memory. I can't name a person (in my memory) that ran an campaign, lost then ran an won the nomination.
    I believe Lincoln did it.

    I can't think of anyone else who did such a thing since then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deoudes59
    Bush was the first 50%+ president since Reagan II
    Proportionally Kerry got shat on.
    Yeah my bad I meant 1984 earlier.

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    Christopher Reeves would also want to run in 2008,
    both of these are just as likely to happen.
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    What would John Kerry or Bush look like as a bodybuilder?.....that would be neat to see, eh?
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    I say **** kerry! we need somebody with some balls! somebody with big enough balls to do what they say and say what they do. im so sick of this middle of the road bull****! can you tell it pisses me off? they are taking OUR FREEDOMS! we have to do something! THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT! YOU CANT STEEL VOTES FROM CONSERVATIVES!!! SO STOP ACTING LIKE THEM!!!!
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    THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT! YOU CANT STEEL VOTES FROM CONSERVATIVES!!! SO STOP ACTING LIKE THEM!!!!
    How do dems try to act like conservs?
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    yeah Kerry was a committed communist
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    Kerry’s a bitch. He didn’t know what to do. He wouldn’t take a stand. 'I didn’t really mean that/ I didn’t really vote that way/ I really respect your beliefs... blah blah blah' it’s BS! So yeah he did play to the warmongers. The whole dem party has been staying very close to the conservatives, sure, they bitch allot about the republicans but they don’t do **** about it. I wish we could go back to the days when senators fought outside of bars with each other about the issues, at least then they cared one way or the other. At least they believed in something other then money.

    somethings gotta give.
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    and uhh deoudes, i dont know if you know this or not but the cold war is over. you dont have to worry about the big bad communists anymore lol
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    Kerry’s a bitch. He didn’t know what to do. He wouldn’t take a stand. 'I didn’t really mean that/ I didn’t really vote that way/ I really respect your beliefs... blah blah blah' it’s BS! So yeah he did play to the warmongers. The whole dem party has been staying very close to the conservatives, sure, they bitch allot about the republicans but they don’t do **** about it.
    AG.... conservatives stand for small government, low taxes, and strong defense. Liberals/ progressives or what ever they want to change the name to, stand for large government, high taxes, and basically want to turn American sovereignty over to the UN. If you look at the democratic candidates that ran for president and listened to their rhetoric they hardly came close to acting like conservatives. They aligned them selves with the likes of liberal propagandists like Michael Moore. He sat next to former president jimmy carter at the DNC. That again indicates that the core of the democrat party isn't acting like conservatives. The problem that the democrat party has is they have become basically a socialist party. In order for a democrat to get the nomination they have to pander to the far left of the party to get the nomination, then sprint to the middle after the nomination. As we can see by the map of the counties in the past election most of the country voted republican. What you seem to be saying is the democrats need to run and stay with the hard left. If you are trying to just win votes in san Francisco, NYC, and Boston that would be a good approach. However if you are trying to win an election it's simply a bad idea. Democrats are loosing elections like it's going out of style. Jimmy Carter won the election mainly because of the corruption of the Nixon administration. Bill Clinton won because Ross Perot ran and split the conservative vote. In this past election anti gay marriage proposal past overwhelmingly in all of the 11 states that they were on the ballots. The American people aren't buying what the democrats are selling. They can either accept this or continue to delude them selves by thinking that they need to go farther to the left.
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    you dont have to worry about the big bad communists anymore lol
    That's not true Hillary will be running in 08.
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    Democrats repeatedly lose because they are out of touch with most of the citizens. Many would rather have lower taxes than socialized health care. Many would rather see their nation defended well than become a tool of the UN.

    The Democrats tried hard to bank on the Anti Bush idea. That and they thought that they had a reserve of tens of millions of voters who didn't vote that will somehow vote Democrat. This happened in 1984. The end result is that Reagan mopped the floor with Mondale. The same happened in 2004.
    The only reason why Clinton won was because he was a Moderate Democrat. Liberals will not get elected into the Presidency. The only exception I knew of was Carter and Reagan soundly defeated him in 1980.

    For 2008, the only Republican candidate to throw in his hat was Chuck Hagel. I imagine there will be a Hagel/Giuliani ticket for 2008.
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    Actually, Clinton would have lost against Bush even though Clinton was considered moderate; it was the Bush campaign's little crisis during that last weak that took away their 5pt lead. I don't remember the guys name, but he was in a world of **** and that killed the Bush campaign. Had they more time, they would have recovered, but it was just too sudden. Oh well...

    I think the most important four words you typed were "tool of the UN". That's exactly what they want us to be, and exactly why I hate them. We're supposed to be sovereign nations joined together for a cause, and they want a world of nations under one rule. I find it scary...but, that's MHO.
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    I'd want to see McCain run, but I'm concerned that supplements may come under even more fire if he's elected. Other than that, I think that he'd be an excellent candidate.
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    Yeah but still, the only Democrat that has a chance of victory is a moderate Democrat. Republicans can bank hard on conservatism because people wouldn't like to admit to being amoral, against protecting their own country, and for the government to take more of their money. This is why Republicans don't really need to aim in the middle. Their base is always big. I thought it was great that Bush got 60 million votes, when Democrats were so sure that Kerry had victory.
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    funny thing i noticed.... hillary is now sorta removing herself from the 08 run a lil bit more.... reason why could be this.... Bill ALWAYS wanted to stay as pres. he even looked into how he can loophole the term limits and run for a 3rd... obviously it would have been too fishy ( but he would have won) anyway... so yeah if hillary won.. bill would get to be pres. but now.. HAVE YOU SEEN CLINTON ON LARRY KING LAST NIGHT... he looks like pooo. he really doesn't look like he has more than a couple of years to live... so NOW i think because he knows he is going to die. hillary wont run, and so that leave only a Kerry/ Obama


    PS there is no true support to this claim.. i am just really bored and bloated from cookies last night....
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    The Democrats have no really good candidates to run in 2008. Just a lot of the same people that tried in 2000 and 2004 plus a couple more like my state's governor, Tom Vilsack. Lets be honest, Hillary running for President is a big mistake. Her approval ratings right now are very low and only seems to be favored by the Socialist Left. She will not win. Republicans have a lot of good choices to choose from and will probably run away with the election. I doubt the 2008 elections will set voting records like 2004 but in the times where security is considered important, Republicans will be the ones who ultimately triumph. Plus I don't know anyone who really thinks Socialism is a good idea.

    I don't think Bill would have won in 2000 if he chose to ran for a third term. His approval was kind of slipping towards the end of his second term. Clinton succeeded in 1996 mostly because the economy was doing the best that it has for a few decades and there were no major **** ups by the administration. In 2000, the tech bubble had burst, Bin Laden was attacking the US continually, and it just seemed to be a mess overall. That is the reason why Al Gore did not win the election. Yeah, he won the Popular Vote but there were still a lot of votes for George W. Bush. Al Gore = Clinton's 3rd Term. People were getting tired of Clinton's adminstrative tactics and wanted nothing more to do with them.
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    I'd want to see McCain run, but I'm concerned that supplements may come under even more fire if he's elected. Other than that, I think that he'd be an excellent candidate.
    McCain is basically a democrat who supports the military. His campaign finance reform bill is totally unconstitutional. He is a total media whore, which is why you see him throwing himself in front of the baseball steroid scandal. I don't like the guy at all.
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    hillary is now sorta removing herself from the 08 run a lil bit more.... reason why could be this.... Bill ALWAYS wanted to stay as pres. he even looked into how he can loophole the term limits and run for a 3rd...
    Hillary is in the process of reinventing herself. She is trying to be perceived as a moderate. She came down hard on illegal immigration a few weeks ago. She is also trying to keep talk of her presidential run contained. This is because when she does run the media will pee all over it's self in excitement and act as if it was a big surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Experiment
    Lets be honest, Hillary running for President is a big mistake. Her approval ratings right now are very low and only seems to be favored by the Socialist Left. She will not win. Republicans have a lot of good choices to choose from and will probably run away with the election.
    The left does not like Hillary because she's too conservative (in terms of her record). That's her main problem, she's a conservative (for a democrat) that's perceived as a liberal by the right - that's the worst combination. The right hates her and the dem base thinks she's too rightwing. What the dems need is a liberal that's perceived as mainstream.

    I think Republicans will probably go with Jeb Bush for 2008, otherwise W would have chosen a vp that could run after he's out. I think Wesley Clark would make a good candidate for 2008 and there's still time for many good alternatives to emerge. With a lackluster economy and things going south in Iraq I think dems have a good shot at it in 2008, but a lot can change in 4 years.

    To be honest though, I dislike both parties - I think the democrats are wimps and the republicans are crooks, but those are the only viable choices right now.

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    Young people don't vote. You know what 'Rock the Vote" did? It mobilized the conservative base that weren't going to vote. Billy Bob and Martha Jean MacDonald in rural Kentucky didn't want some teenage punks on MTV to decide who the President was going to be so they went out and voted instead of doing what they normally do on election day; sit on their porch and watch a plethora of local insects fly into their bug zapper.

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    The left does not like Hillary because she's too conservative (in terms of her record). That's her main problem, she's a conservative (for a democrat) that's perceived as a liberal by the right - that's the worst combination. The right hates her and the dem base thinks she's too rightwing. What the dems need is a liberal that's perceived as mainstream.
    ??????????? The left loves Hillary and she sure as hell is not conservative at all or perceived as one. She tried to rail road threw socialized medicine for god's sake. The reality is that Hillary is a socialist. That is the difference between Bill and Hillary. Bill would pretty much do what ever a poll shows is the popular opinion. Hillary is a far left ideologue and is currently trying to change the perception of that because of Bush's victory in this past election. You will see her say more moderate things and she will probably distance her self from the NY elitist crowd / label and make more frequent trips to Arkansas as 08 approaches. Hillary has the nomination when ever she wants it. I agree with you that democrats need to keep putting up liberal candidates, because they will keep loosing. If they were smart that will run a moderate southern dem in 08. Unfortunately for them the Clintons still control the democrat party. I think who is installed as the head of the DNC will tell allot. If it's a Clinton crony she will have a lock on 08. If it's someone else such as Howard Dean, it means they have lost control.
    I think Republicans will probably go with Jeb Bush for 2008, otherwise W would have chosen a vp that could run after he's out. I think Wesley Clark would make a good candidate for 2008 and there's still time for many good alternatives to emerge. With a lackluster economy and things going south in Iraq I think dems have a good shot at it in 2008, but a lot can change in 4 years.
    They will probably wait awhile for jeb to run. There is some talk that Rudy or McCain will run. McCain will probably run judging by the way he likes to keep his name in the paper. Arnold is trying to run in 08 as well. The problem with all three of them is that they are all liberal republicans and will have a difficult time getting the nomination. There has also been some talk of Mitt Romney running in 08.
  

  
 

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