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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    so you insulting a person's ideology and belief points is ok, but I can't tell you that you have to be a delusional wreckage to think Obama attempted any bipartisanship? I'll stand by "you are ****ing nuts to believe what you say you beleive"

    I am not anti-GOP whatsoever, and have stated this already. But the party is falling apart, I think we all can agree on this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Back to my original point though, which you didn't address, the GOP has done nothing in the past years to help the American people while being the House majority. They have played nothing but political games to further their own agenda, not the people's.
    more proof of your delusions. The house has passed a dozen jobs bills, all stuck in the democrat controlled senate. The house has passed multiple budgets, the senate 0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I am not anti-GOP whatsoever, and have stated this already. But the party is falling apart, I think we all can agree on this!
    no, thats a convient marketing line for ideologues on the other side to use. Otherwise romney wouldn't have a majority in most every poll, and holding a majority of electoral college votes as per realclearpolitics.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Yes, Chavez, Ahmenajad, Castro all view Obama as a moderate. General knowledge is crap, general knowledge said the earth was flat at a certain point in time, and that the sun revolved around the earth.
    LOL I am not talking about the views of a few socialist countries. By WORLD view I mean, the majority of people's view...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Honestly though, I'm a bit shocked to see that people in here don't view Obama as centrist. It's not just an opinion folks.Remove yourself and your own opinions for a minute from this equation....regardless of where your principles and loyalty lies. Look at the WORLD's view of Obama even, and you will see the majority of people view him as centrist. Numbers alone speak volumes, without having to go into all the details of why. It's just general knowledge.
    I voted for Obama 4 years ago.

    He can be a centrist thats fine, but my whole point is both left and right within our government are primarily funded and lobbied by the same corporations and banks. There is no difference between the two or being a centrist. 99% of the planet can view him as a centrist, I call it as I see it, he is a bankster corporate mafia criminal.

    Personally I do not support left, right or centrist. All 3 of those views are xtreme. Abolish the political parties and all the labeling of left, right, conservative, liberal, it really doesnt mean anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    LOL I am not talking about the views of a few socialist countries. By WORLD view I mean, the majority of people's view...
    like the majority who believe the earth was flat, or the majority here who believe you can't get big or lose fat without eating 6-8 meals a day. A lot of people believing something doesn't make it true, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    no, thats a convient marketing line for ideologues on the other side to use

    No? I'm not allowed to prefer real solid conservative leaders like we've had in the past, over what we're offered now by the GOP? Really? Now you are telling me no..I'm not allowed to hold this opinion? Yeaaaaaahhh whatever man.

    I would take Bush Sr ANYDAY over Jr. It's been going nothing but downhill for the GOP since Jr was originally in office. Can you tell me that there has been one solid person run for office since then for them in the last two elections?

    Honestly, I would vote for any party, so long as it was for a real solid moderate candidate. Romney may say he's moderate, but in the debates and the past few months, it's been very forthcoming how much he changes his words to suit his audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post






    I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.



    Obama is as centrist as they come.
    there are a plethora of issues here. blaming 1 party is laughable, and I am sure that you know that. Neither side is willing to be bipartisan, but that also includes Obama. Additionally, saying he is a centrist doesnt make it so. I would love for an explanation on how a socialized health care system is centrist? Lets just start there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    No? I'm not allowed to prefer real solid conservative leaders like we've had in the past, over what we're offered now by the GOP? Really? Now you are telling me no..I'm not allowed to hold this opinion? Yeaaaaaahhh whatever man.

    I would take Bush Sr ANYDAY over Jr. It's been going nothing but downhill for the GOP since Jr was originally in office. Can you tell me that there has been one solid person run for office since then for them in the last two elections?

    Honestly, I would vote for any party, so long as it was for a real solid moderate candidate. Romney may say he's moderate, but in the debates and the past few months, it's been very forthcoming how much he changes his words to suit his audience.
    You cant seriously even take these debates seriously, can you? Its just a puppet show, its has only 1% significance and most people already decided who won the debate before it even took place.

    Any undecided voter basing their vote on what they see on these corporate controlled, closed off to the rest of the election (Gary Johnson legally should be on them) is seriously only choosing on what Hollywood movie is better than the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I voted for Obama 4 years ago.

    He can be a centrist thats fine, but my whole point is both left and right within our government are primarily funded and lobbied by the same corporations and banks. There is no difference between the two or being a centrist. 99% of the planet can view him as a centrist, I call it as I see it, he is a bankster corporate mafia criminal.

    Personally I do not support left, right or centrist. All 3 of those views are xtreme. Abolish the political parties and all the labeling of left, right, conservative, liberal, it really doesnt mean anything.

    I mostly agree with you here, and I think it's very difficult to function in everyone's interest within a 2 party system.

    The remarks about him being a mafia criminal seem a bit extreme though, but I do respect your stance about both parties. But if these politicians can't think for themselves, then how is he going about these executive orders and decisions? Do we blame the banks and call them the dictators? Is it the mafia that are the dictators? Is Obama the dictator as you and others stated in this thread? Or is he being controlled as the same people claim? Seems a bit contradictory to say these things.

    I am just curious though, who will you vote for this year? If you don't mind me asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    You cant seriously even take these debates seriously, can you? Its just a puppet show, its has only 1% significance and most people already decided who won the debate before it even took place.

    Any undecided voter basing their vote on what they see on these corporate controlled, closed off to the rest of the election (Gary Johnson legally should be on them) is seriously only choosing on what Hollywood movie is better than the other.

    Not just the debates, but they are based off of observations and speeches made by Romney to various audiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Personally I do not support left, right or centrist. All 3 of those views are xtreme.
    Also ax1, I must have skipped over this point, but how is being a Centrist extreme? Moderate and Extreme, they are opposites of each other. I'm sure you have an explanation, just curious what you meant by this. A true moderate has everyone's interests in mind, and is the epitome of pragmatism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I mostly agree with you here, and I think it's very difficult to function in everyone's interest within a 2 party system.

    The remarks about him being a mafia criminal seem a bit extreme though, but I do respect your stance about both parties. But if these politicians can't think for themselves, then how is he going about these executive orders and decisions? Do we blame the banks and call them the dictators? Is it the mafia that are the dictators? Is Obama the dictator as you and others stated in this thread? Or is he being controlled as the same people claim? Seems a bit contradictory to say these things.

    I am just curious though, who will you vote for this year? If you don't mind me asking.
    Obama is the President executing decisions, so the blame ultimately going to lay on him. His allegiance is the those who finance and lobby him, not the voters. I blame the system as a whole, I never actually mean to single Obama out and Congress is a huge problem as well.

    I am not voting for a President this election. I am not voting 3rd party and Im not voting a fill in ballot. I dont want them to use my 3rd party vote and use it to show support for this broken system that is decided by those who finance it. They will use my vote and say so and so many people came and voted for this...etc....I dont want this corrupt system to use my vote. Not this election, 4 years from now I may differ opinion.

    Not voting because you dont care is ignorance. Not voting with intent because you care is a vote for no. Im not voting because Im voting no and a vote for no is a vote that counts.

    Im already considering supporting a grassroots movement for Jesse Ventura in 2016. He will only run if he is guaranteed to be on every ballot in all 50 states + Puerto Rico...and he will only run if he is guaranteed to be on every national debate. He is abolishing all corporate lobby money for his campaign and he will abolish lobby in the Whitehouse should he win. I dont think anything significant will happen but I dont need to be on a winning team, just the right team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Also ax1, I must have skipped over this point, but how is being a Centrist extreme? Moderate and Extreme, they are opposites of each other. I'm sure you have an explanation, just curious what you meant by this. A true moderate has everyone's interests in mind, and is the epitome of pragmatism.
    Because the mass media promotes this illusion of what left and right should be, and the only alternative they really give you is to be in the middle.

    There are far more views than left, right and middle, ultimately Im about individualism and moving away from political ideology.

    Im a political atheist, but dont even want to call myself that because it still doesnt define me. Hope thats understandable. Hard to express all my thoughts and keep my posts short, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    There are far more views than left, right and middle, ultimately Im about individualism and moving away from political ideology.
    l
    By the term "individualism" I mean an end to all labels in politics and having people run as "Gary, Mary or Joe' without any labels attached to them. Having everyone in mind is good, but when it comes to politics a label quickly becomes a gang pack mentality and blind faith voting. Then it will be used against one another, "he is a socialist" "he is a conservative" "all conservatives are racists, all liberals are communists, etc..."

    Also all political systems and determined ideologies are prone to corporate, banker special interest infiltration and will quickly become corrupt.

    We are a messed up complicated species arent we? lol
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    Former Secretary of State Colin Powell endorsed President Barack Obama for a second term Thursday.

    "You know, I voted for him in 2008 and I plan to stick with him in 2012, and I'll be voting for he and Vice President Joe Biden next month," he said on CBS' "This Morning."

    Asked whether it was an endorsement, he said, "Yes."

    Powell praised the president's handling of the economy and ending of the Iraq War.

    "I think we ought to keep on the track we are on," he said.

    Powell said he had the "utmost respect" for Mitt Romney, but criticized his tax plan.

    He said Romney's foreign policy was a "moving target." "One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq. On every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Gov. Romney agreed with the president with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign."

    Powell, a Republican who served in President George W. Bush's first term, backed Obama in 2008. He was frequently mentioned as a potential Republican challenger against Bill Clinton in 1996, but decided against it.

    UPDATE: 12:27 p.m. -- President Barack Obama called Powell on Thursday morning to thank him for the endorsement, according to Obama campaign traveling press secretary Jen Psaki. They did not discuss joint appearances. She said they were "very excited" about it and said they “think it sends a strong signal about why [Obama] should be sent back for another four years to be commander in chief.”

    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) blasted Powell on Fox News Radio's "Kilmeade & Friends" Thursday morning.

    "Well, I’m just saddened because, you know, I used to be a great admirer of Colin Powell. We were friends. I think one of the sad aspects of his career is going to the United Nations Security Council and telling them things about Iraq that were absolutely false," he said.

    "Obviously, my view of the situation in Iraq is we’re losing," he continued. "We’re losing what we won thanks to the surge. Al Qaeda is doubled. There’s training camps in Western Iraq. In Afghanistan, all we do is say we’re leaving. Al Qaeda is on the comeback all over northern Africa. They’ve taken over parts of Mali. All I can say is that Gen. Powell, you disappoint us and you have harmed your legacy even further by defending what has clearly been the most feckless foreign policy in my lifetime."



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    When was the draft reinstated? That is news to me.

    The military is in control of our oil, gas, solar, water, forestry, etc? Huh?
    I was skimming through the thread and missed this important part.

    Obama extends Patriot act, http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-27/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

    NDAA act was signed and approved this past new years while everybody was out getting drunk, H.R. 1540 which eliminates our 6th amendment in our Bill of Rights. Provisions in this act have also been used to bully journalists and Obama has had the court issue more subpoenas to journalists than any president in history since the 1917 Espionage Act was established.

    The military is allowed control of all our natural resources including your own home with Executive Order 13603 "NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS" on 3/16/2012. This act also basically re-instates the draft by allowing military to take anyone and force them to labor for undefined "national security" purposes AND in a time of peactime.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...s-preparedness
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    Some highlights of Obama's executive order 13603 "NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS"

    The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 107(b)(1) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2077(b)(1), to take appropriate action to ensure that critical components, critical technology items, essential materials, and industrial resources are available from reliable sources when needed to meet defense requirements during peacetime, graduated mobilization, and national emergency.

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    Obama allowing the U.S. government to induct and draft citizens into the military against their will and mobilization of “labor” for purposes of the national defense.


    Sec. 601. Secretary of Labor. (a) The Secretary of Labor, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of other agencies, as deemed appropriate by the Secretary of Labor, shall:

    (1) collect and maintain data necessary to make a continuing appraisal of the Nation's workforce needs for purposes of national defense;
    (2) upon request by the Director of Selective Service, and in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, assist the Director of Selective Service in development of policies regulating the induction and deferment of persons for duty in the armed services;
    (3) upon request from the head of an agency with authority under this order, consult with that agency with respect to: (i) the effect of contemplated actions on labor demand and utilization; (ii) the relation of labor demand to materials and facilities requirements; and (iii) such other matters as will assist in making the exercise of priority and allocations functions consistent with effective utilization and distribution of labor;

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    Obama specifically designates that Secretaries now have the authority to commandeer all domestic U.S. resources including food and water.


    (1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
    (2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
    (3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
    (4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
    (5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
    (6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I was skimming through the thread and missed this important part.

    Obama extends Patriot act, http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-27/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

    NDAA act was signed and approved this past new years while everybody was out getting drunk, H.R. 1540 which eliminates our 6th amendment in our Bill of Rights. Provisions in this act have also been used to bully journalists and Obama has had the court issue more subpoenas to journalists than any president in history since the 1917 Espionage Act was established.

    The military is allowed control of all our natural resources including your own home with Executive Order 13603 "NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS" on 3/16/2012. This act also basically re-instates the draft by allowing military to take anyone and force them to labor for undefined "national security" purposes AND in a time of peactime.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...s-preparedness

    Thanks for sharing these! Definitely news to me.

    Going off the first topic, if the Government has this amount of control, why couldn't they have stopped this book from the ex-CIA / special forces agent from being published? Blows my mind how things like this get released to the public. It's none of the public's business how the CIA/special forces conduct operations, in that amount of detail. It only hurts us to expose ourselves like this.

    Is it just me, or does anyone else think we've been releasing too much information to the press/public about operations and such? It's one thing informing your people, but you're giving all these details to the enemy as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Some highlights of Obama's executive order 13603 "NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS"

    The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 107(b)(1) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2077(b)(1), to take appropriate action to ensure that critical components, critical technology items, essential materials, and industrial resources are available from reliable sources when needed to meet defense requirements during peacetime, graduated mobilization, and national emergency.


    Do you know their rational for adding that part? I'm curious... they must have some sort of serious reasoning behind that sort of move. Seems fairly extreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Do you know their rational for adding that part? I'm curious... they must have some sort of serious reasoning behind that sort of move. Seems fairly extreme.

    because he can. each time you can push the ball a little further, you do. In Rahm Emmanuel's words "Never let a crisis go to waste"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Thanks for sharing these! Definitely news to me.

    Going off the first topic, if the Government has this amount of control, why couldn't they have stopped this book from the ex-CIA / special forces agent from being published? Blows my mind how things like this get released to the public. It's none of the public's business how the CIA/special forces conduct operations, in that amount of detail. It only hurts us to expose ourselves like this.

    Is it just me, or does anyone else think we've been releasing too much information to the press/public about operations and such? It's one thing informing your people, but you're giving all these details to the enemy as well.
    We dont know for sure...Id like to assume there are good people out there who leak info out, but then there is covert psych-ops so you cant trust everything you read and see. It may be to distort reality, desensitize society to accept as norm...its complicated and Im not going to get too deep into it in this post and it primarily will only be my opinion.

    Your right, there is much information being leaked out such as the concentration camps being built all over the USA, and I even have a copy of the military's training manual on running domestic re-education camps, its just crazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Do you know their rational for adding that part? I'm curious... they must have some sort of serious reasoning behind that sort of move. Seems fairly extreme.
    I dont really know, I can only share what I think. There are multiple reasons they just want to be have the power to control us whenever they want at their leisure. They may never use it in a time of peace, I dunno. They may need to use it to prepare for wars that arent publicly discussed...then maybe they dont even call wars wars any more, look how Lybia wasnt even called a war. Wars are now "Kinetic Actions" and "Humanitarian."

    I dunno, its a big mess. Really I want people to know that these laws are passing, the fact that they are being passed quietly is very disturbing and people need to know about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    because he can. each time you can push the ball a little further, you do. In Rahm Emmanuel's words "Never let a crisis go to waste"

    What really gets me is how this can possibly benefit anyone in a time of peace. I guess, as AX1 was suggesting, perhaps it's for prepping for silent actions.

    AX1, what are these domestic re-education camps? Now you've really got my attention. I know about the FEMA camps and such, but re-education, doesn't sound positive at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    What really gets me is how this can possibly benefit anyone in a time of peace. I guess, as AX1 was suggesting, perhaps it's for prepping for silent actions.

    AX1, what are these domestic re-education camps? Now you've really got my attention. I know about the FEMA camps and such, but re-education, doesn't sound positive at all.
    well, a) pushing the bar further is pushing the bar further whether obama benefits from it or the next servant of big banks, b) we can go from time of peace into war very easily with a false flag, or even civil disobedience in the US raising martial law, c) we could be considered to be in wartime standing right now in the middle east.
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    Even still, these domestic actions only make sense to me if the US gets invaded beit via external or internal sources. Definitely with you guys on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    What really gets me is how this can possibly benefit anyone in a time of peace. I guess, as AX1 was suggesting, perhaps it's for prepping for silent actions.

    AX1, what are these domestic re-education camps? Now you've really got my attention. I know about the FEMA camps and such, but re-education, doesn't sound positive at all.
    Thats what they are training some of our military to operate.

    I knew of former Trooper who retired to set one of these places up in norther NY, and he straight out told me "They are preparing for a wave of mass chaos."

    First of all if you want to work at these camps and be a "Internment and Resettlement" specialist you can go ahead and apply here,
    http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jo...pecialist.html

    lol....I show printouts of these official websites with job offerings around my town and people who call me "conspiracy theorist" start to listen.

    This leaked document outlines plans for re-education camps in America, its from 2/2010 so its very recent. Remember the NDAA act allows the government to kidnap you against your will and without being protected under the Bill of Rights in our Constitution and put you here.

    Keep in mind foreign troops may be used to detain Americans domestically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Even still, these domestic actions only make sense to me if the US gets invaded beit via external or internal sources. Definitely with you guys on this.
    hows this for rationale?

    http://nation.foxnews.com/barack-oba...if-romney-wins

    its not about democrat or republican, its about plutocracy. they each make it easier for the next one. whether it benefits themselves or not doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    This leaked document outlines plans for re-education camps in America, its from 2/2010 so its very recent. Remember the NDAA act allows the government to kidnap you against your will and without being protected under the Bill of Rights in our Constitution and put you here.Keep in mind foreign troops may be used to detain Americans domestically.
    Well hopefully those tactics can't be used against permanent residents. I still don't have my citizenship here, not that I wouldn't want to become a citizen. I am still a Canadian Citizen but have been living here quite some time now in NYC, and feel far more at home as a New Yorker than Canadian.

    Preparing for mass chaos may actually be a good thing though. I bet a lot of the planning was pushed along due to the Tea Party, as well as Arab Spring. (semi joking about tea party)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Well hopefully those tactics can't be used against permanent residents. I still don't have my citizenship here, not that I wouldn't want to become a citizen. I am still a Canadian Citizen but have been living here quite some time now in NYC, and feel far more at home as a New Yorker than Canadian.

    Preparing for mass chaos may actually be a good thing though. I bet a lot of the planning was pushed along due to the Tea Party, as well as Arab Spring. (semi joking about tea party)
    Well the Tea Party was totally infiltrated and mostly turned into something else and all kinds of different factions mostly for the worse (reasons I do not believe in parties as I stated earlier), and the Arab Spring was all staged by CIA as a part of the global takeover.

    I love New York, mass chaos or not Im staying here.
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    if you connect anything with the Arab spring it would need to be occupy wallstreet..

    why was ahmedinajad meeting with occupy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    if you connect anything with the Arab spring it would need to be occupy wallstreet..

    why was ahmedinajad meeting with occupy?
    I didnt know the latter part, I can guess Ahme-satanjob just want to infiltrate in our own politics for his own political gain. Politics is like chess.

    Wallstreet protests were suppressed by Bloomberg and Obama, yet whats important is sending NATO to foreign protests. How about Obama sending NATO to NYC for humanitarian action, and ending the ban on 20 sodas? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    I didnt know the latter part, I can guess Ahme-satanjob just want to infiltrate in our own politics for his own political gain. Politics is like chess.

    Wallstreet protests were suppressed by Bloomberg and Obama, yet whats important is sending NATO to foreign protests. How about Obama sending NATO to NYC for humanitarian action, and ending the ban on 20 sodas? lol
    it wouldn't be his personal gain, it's radical islams in general...they truly want to infiltrate the west and ultimately the world and have a global caliphate.


    how bout the UN monitoring the elections?

    hahah Texas is threatening to arrest any UN officials...I thought that was awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    if you connect anything with the Arab spring it would need to be occupy wallstreet..

    why was ahmedinajad meeting with occupy?
    Hey, have you seen this recent CNBC clip where they are talking about how we are run by the NWO bankers? It basically confirms what Ive along with many others have been saying for years.

    We're All Slaves to the Banker Run Global Gov't (CNBC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post

    how bout the UN monitoring the elections?

    hahah Texas is threatening to arrest any UN officials...I thought that was awesome
    Well our head of Military straight out told Congress that they go to the UN and NATO for war authority, and that Congress is merely ceremonial so that doesnt surprise me.

    Out the door talk to you soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Well the Tea Party was totally infiltrated and mostly turned into something else and all kinds of different factions mostly for the worse (reasons I do not believe in parties as I stated earlier), and the Arab Spring was all staged by CIA as a part of the global takeover.I love New York, mass chaos or not Im staying here.
    You're from NY? Didn't know that. I've been working just off Wall St now in the financial district for about 4 years, just over. Been here 6 though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    You're from NY? Didn't know that. I've been working just off Wall St now in the financial district for about 4 years, just over. Been here 6 though.
    A little north from the city, half my family lives in Brooklyn. I love NYC.
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    Ahh that's wicked. I've lived in Williamsburg basically since I moved here. Love Brooklyn more than any other part of the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    If Romney somehow miraculously gets in, it will be George W Bush all over again. I think that much is obvious, pretty much why even the old-school GOPers have started to side with Obama. Obama is far more similar to Republican's of old, than any of these new Republican loonies.
    Are you serious? I laughed when a friend of mine here in Florida was attending Obama's 'grassroots event' in St. Petersburg. Obama is quite happy with the middle class disappearing and the irony of it is he thinks of himself as a fundamentalist. He targets groups of individuals when he finds it politically convenient and has no intention of focusing on any real issues whilst he undermines our liberties behind our backs (signing NDAA on New Year's Eve), circumventing the constitution and dodging Congress to involve us in yet another war(s), all while lying through his teeth on mainstream media interviews. I don't particularly care for Mitt Romney, but if we continue to think that the system we're in will get us out of this crisis we're in, then America has already lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Ahh that's wicked. I've lived in Williamsburg basically since I moved here. Love Brooklyn more than any other part of the city.
    Hey, by the way... I hope that you and your family are doing okay during the storm. I've been getting a lot of bad news from family back home in NJ before the phones went dead and the power got cut off.
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