Obamney 2012 - Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    It's too bad none of the people responsible for 9/11 were in Iraq...

    You're seriously still on the birther train over the cert? Ok, you just proved how much I shouldn't be debating any politics with you lol.

    And whoever made a post about MSNBC..never read that site in my life. Pretty sure I've only stated a few actual facts as well, call it what you will - clearly these facts disturb you as well or you wouldn't have commented about them. People of either side agree with these facts anyhow, so not sure what the issue is here. I simply wouldn't vote for anyone who is cruel to animals, is a neo-con and has no common sense, even if he is a cut throat business man.

    The GOP has some serious soul searching to do after this election. It's party is falling apart. They need some real, pragmatic leaders.
    Oh Cmon, if Romnesia can pass, so can Birther. FWIW I am not even close to being a republican.

    My fear is that this will convert this nation I love to one that relies on socialist agendas of wealth redistribution and helping the poor by lynching the rich. I am not rich, and I am thankfully not poor either. I quoted an example earlier of how Obama's agendas have impacted and stopped us from generating 9 jobs, as a sort of a powerhouse/ well known brand at what we do, this is just a small example of how hampered "success" feels in this nation under this president.

    FWIW, the right man would have pushed Hillary and unified the masses, Obama for all his goods, has failed, immensely more at helping organizations sustain success
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Republicans would piss me off a lot less if they weren't so freaking anti-science/intellectual. It's like being intelligent is such a horrible thing to them. I can see being against Obama, but I can't see why ANYONE would be for Romney in his place.

    Basically if you aren't voting third party (or abstaining) you're the problem.
    I would have to strongly agree with this.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I agree it will be George W. Bush all over again, but it will be George W.'s 4th term, the 3rd being Obama. I do not see any difference between Bush and Obama other than Obama being Bush on steroids and the next term whoever wins will increase dosages without pct.
    Obama doesn't have ogre Cheney controlling him though. Big difference. Can't hate on Obama for actually being pragmatic through bipartisanship. Can't say the same for the party of no.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I would have to strongly agree with this.
    It's stuff like that from the right that just annoys me. Also stupid crap like "Obama bowed to leader X when the custom over there is to do that!"

    You can hate on Obama for a ton of stuff, but pretty much every President has bowed to other leaders if that is the custom. You know who started it? George Washington.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Obama doesn't have ogre Cheney controlling him though. Big difference. Can't hate on Obama for actually being pragmatic through bipartisanship. Can't say the same for the party of no.
    Obama is just a puppet the same way Bush was. Obama has the ogre banks and ogre corporations controlling him.

    Being bipartisan is very easy and automatic since there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats, both parties are financed by the same people. Its a duopoly system giving people the illusion of choice.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    Oh Cmon, if Romnesia can pass, so can Birther. FWIW I am not even close to being a republican.
    The issue with the birther...Im convinced (but not positive) that the fraudulent birth certificate that was tampered with then released on whitehouse.gov wasnt to hide his place of birth, but rather to conceal who his real father was which was originally listed as "unknown."

    Regardless, Hawaiian law allows for those birth certificates to be given out to anybody so it is not a legitimate document for place of birth.

    The law, Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 states:

    “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

    This is a loophole that allows foreigners to establish US citizenship even if the parents aren't citizens.

    Anyways, none of this matters as much as his actual policy, wars, executive orders, +more which are terrible.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Obama doesn't have ogre Cheney controlling him though. Big difference. Can't hate on Obama for actually being pragmatic through bipartisanship. Can't say the same for the party of no.
    you are out of your ****ing mind. Obama isn't pragmatic, he's dogmatic. His idea of bipartisanship was "the people elected me, do exactly as I say without any of your input or changes"

  8. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    you are out of your ****ing mind. Obama isn't pragmatic, he's dogmatic. His idea of bipartisanship was "the people elected me, do exactly as I say without any of your input or changes"
    Yes...

    Obama has signed more executive orders than any president in history (wow, not even 1 term completed yet,) 140 to date (and counting) making his presidency a dictatorship. I will call it as I see it, Obama is a dictator. Making matters worse, some of his executive orders and actions destroys our Bill of Rights.

    Official source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-r...ecutive-orders
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  9. But the reality really is that Tories in general are rising to power, be it the Brits or be here. America would be a lot more self reliant if we learnt how to manage expectations. Successful people built this country, that does not imply that being poor or not well to do (like most of us) is a sin, it just means we need to want it more.

    I find it appalling that Obama and his cronies have not embraced this. Bill Maher, on his show with Nick Gillespie and Rachel Maddow, said that in this country we have a culture of punishing failure. I am not sure I would have my kids listen to that. We do not punish failure, we want you to fear it, because failing at something is the first step towards success, not a reason for you to start fingerpointing at others.

    Memphis for eg is a prime example of people with the victim mentality multiplying by the dozens and preaching the mentality to the future generations.

    Does it make me a bad person to want success and prosperity as much as Trump and Buffet? No it does not, but if I am not working hard for it, and saying well Trump's Dad gave it to him or as the Man says "You did not build that", thats absolute bollocks, I deserve to rot for not taking responsibility of my actions. Every man worth his salt has to work hard for it, Obama or Bush, Jindal or Biden does not matter.

    I wish this society of ours would move up from the scavenger mentality that we have gotten into, in the last 4-6 years and into the capitalist boomers that we know we can be.

    Just my .02
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    you are out of your ****ing mind. Obama isn't pragmatic, he's dogmatic. His idea of bipartisanship was "the people elected me, do exactly as I say without any of your input or changes"


    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Yes...

    Obama has signed more executive orders than any president in history (wow, not even 1 term completed yet,) 140 to date (and counting) making his presidency a dictatorship. I will call it as I see it, Obama is a dictator. Making matters worse, some of his executive orders and actions destroys our Bill of Rights.

    Official source: Executive Orders | The White House

    I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.

    Yep, I'm bonkers Easy! A raving lunatic!

    Obama is as centrist as they come.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    But the reality really is that Tories in general are rising to power, be it the Brits or be here. America would be a lot more self reliant if we learnt how to manage expectations. Successful people built this country, that does not imply that being poor or not well to do (like most of us) is a sin, it just means we need to want it more.

    I find it appalling that Obama and his cronies have not embraced this. Bill Maher, on his show with Nick Gillespie and Rachel Maddow, said that in this country we have a culture of punishing failure. I am not sure I would have my kids listen to that. We do not punish failure, we want you to fear it, because failing at something is the first step towards success, not a reason for you to start fingerpointing at others.

    Memphis for eg is a prime example of people with the victim mentality multiplying by the dozens and preaching the mentality to the future generations.

    Does it make me a bad person to want success and prosperity as much as Trump and Buffet? No it does not, but if I am not working hard for it, and saying well Trump's Dad gave it to him or as the Man says "You did not build that", thats absolute bollocks, I deserve to rot for not taking responsibility of my actions. Every man worth his salt has to work hard for it, Obama or Bush, Jindal or Biden does not matter.

    I wish this society of ours would move up from the scavenger mentality that we have gotten into, in the last 4-6 years and into the capitalist boomers that we know we can be.

    Just my .02
    This is what society has become though. We never blame ourselves. Blame the President, blame the gov't, sue corporations for you falling in a store, blame McDonald's for your obesity, watch trashy people on reality TV shows, be lazy as ****. Until we take some personal ownership for our lives we are screwed. We have the government we've demanded. Hurricane Katrina happens and WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT? Come save me from myself government! Ban smoking, ban weed, bail me out, keep gays from getting married, just fix things for me! Blame government for why my kid can't read ignoring the fact that we are responsible for their upbringing.

    Pointing the finger is the new American way. Most people simply don't care anymore. We have HD TV, Playstation 3, and pizza stores open 24 hours. We're content to be average.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post






    I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.

    Yep, I'm bonkers Easy! A raving lunatic!

    Obama is as centrist as they come.
    Easy there pal, there are barely 4-5 of us who frequent this place, no point in name calling and operating in a "Everybody is a c*nt" mode. Its fine that we have differing opinions lets have a discussion about it, without resorting to petty name calling.


    Stewart made a very interesting point about Repubs blocking a benefit bill for Vets over some crazy filibustering move. Saw it last night when he interviewed the two vets on his show.

    Now that is when an executive order should become mandatory, however I fail to see why some of the others would be allowed to go thru. Whatever happened to the Fast and Furious mafia.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post

    I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.

    Yep, I'm bonkers Easy! A raving lunatic!

    Obama is as centrist as they come.
    He wasn't forced to lock the republicans out of the health care negotiations during his first year, yet he did. You are ****ing nuts as you seem to think as Obama does, that he has dictatorial rights and can ignore the representatives of half the population since they aren't in his party. He has made no effort whatsoever into anything bipartisan his entire 4 years. Those republicans were voted in because the public ALREADY had seen that Obama was governing as a dictator, and the exact reason they were voted in was to put brakes on his and Pelosi's insane goals that run contrary to the constitution and common sense. The american people weren't held hostage, the american people WANT obama stopped from pursuing a democrat only strategy to everything.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    This is what society has become though. We never blame ourselves. Blame the President, blame the gov't, sue corporations for you falling in a store, blame McDonald's for your obesity, watch trashy people on reality TV shows, be lazy as ****.
    How much of that is down to the appreciation of mediocrity that is handed out of the white house? Does not matter Red or Blue, both are equally guilty of this. I am not looking to go all Ron Paul on everyone here, but maybe we should vote in a third person to take democracy back.

    Until we take some personal ownership for our lives we are screwed. We have the government we've demanded. Hurricane Katrina happens and WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT? Come save me from myself government! Ban smoking, ban weed, bail me out
    Legalizing certain recreational drugs cannot be a bad thing, and in certain areas that would be the best thing to happen ever for their economy.

    Lets just say this part I agree with
    keep gays from getting married, just fix things for me!
    Have never supported the movement, and probably never will, lets just agree that I am a conservative in certain aspects.

    Blame government for why my kid can't read ignoring the fact that we are responsible for their upbringing.
    Absolutely, this is what winds me up immensely, I am disturbed at how far behind kids here are, compared to schools in India.

    Pointing the finger is the new American way. Most people simply don't care anymore. We have HD TV, Playstation 3, and pizza stores open 24 hours. We're content to be average.
    I guess this is where responsibility of action comes into play. Completely off related reference, but in this James Cameroon spoofing south park episode, the bar is set so low, that contentment is at an all time high. We need to realize our expectations from life have been lowered so much, that now suddenly we are absolutely tanked and the measure of contentment is really not there. A Best Buy Manager described to me that buying a HD TV is a life changing experience, lets just say, i tore him 2 new ones that evening.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The american people weren't held hostage, the american people WANT obama stopped from pursuing a democrat only strategy to everything.
    I probably agree to this piece over here, the rest not so much. He has a habit of prototyping republicans as gun totting scooters, which is really not true.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    You are ****ing nuts

    Yep I know, a raging lunatic I said. Completely blinded!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Obama is as centrist as they come.
    So if signing executive orders that destroy our Bill of Rights and Constitution is "centrist" being a centrist is inhumane, lol
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    How much of that is down to the appreciation of mediocrity that is handed out of the white house? Does not matter Red or Blue, both are equally guilty of this. I am not looking to go all Ron Paul on everyone here, but maybe we should vote in a third person to take democracy back.
    Could not agree more. I think a lot of it has to do with how satisfied we are ourselves with mediocrity. Our basic needs are taken care of so we are good to go.

    Have never supported the movement, and probably never will, lets just agree that I am a conservative in certain aspects.
    I'm not gay nor really care a bunch about the movement but I have no idea why it is the government's job to legislate this and not individual churches. The whole institution of marriage argument is such a crock. Most marriages end in divorce and you can get married by Elvis in Vegas in 5 minutes. Some institution that is, save it government! Let's let churches marry who they want, but agree to disagree I guess.

    Absolutely, this is what winds me up immensely, I am disturbed at how far behind kids here are, compared to schools in India.
    We blame the government, we should be blaming ourselves. We have gotten extremely lazy in our education from a parent perspective. When I have kids I'm going to be responsible for them learning even if they go to a public school. Again this is another reason why the conservative anti-science anti-intellectual stuff pisses me off so much.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT?
    Im not a Reagan fan but some things he said were right on,

    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan 40th president of US
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The american people weren't held hostage, the american people WANT obama stopped from pursuing a democrat only strategy to everything.
    This might be the new rules of politics. Freeze out the other side by not letting any discussion take place. When things go bad it's perfect for the team in the minority. Another reason why we need to ditch this two party nonsense. Being a moderate or working with the other side is now the most evil thing anyone can do left or right. Most of American isn't super far left or super far right, but that's who both parties are trying to appeal to and we are all losing because of it.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Im not a Reagan fan but some things he said were right on,

    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan 40th president of US
    Reagan was an unbelievable hypocrite sadly. Talked small government, but walked big government.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    So if signing executive orders that destroy our Bill of Rights and Constitution is "centrist" being a centrist is inhumane, lol
    Pretty sure he was doing this to allow America to function. We had important things to pass, the GOP publicly said they would block everything that comes through, as much as they could - no matter what it was. It's a ridiculous way to function. Like I was saying, it's scary what the GOP has become. The party does not deserve the name GOP.

  23. Any seriously Easy, why lower yourself to throwing around personal insults when you don't agree with someone's politics? Bit immature innit?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    Easy there pal, there are barely 4-5 of us who frequent this place, no point in name calling and operating in a "Everybody is a c*nt" mode. Its fine that we have differing opinions lets have a discussion about it, without resorting to petty name calling.

    You may need to re-read. I wasn't calling anyone a name in here. Other way around. I was sarcastically agreeing with Easy that I'm f&*king nuts bruva. I agree with you, it's immature and unnecessary.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Pretty sure he was doing this to allow America to function. We had important things to pass, the GOP publicly said they would block everything that comes through, as much as they could - no matter what it was. It's a ridiculous way to function. Like I was saying, it's scary what the GOP has become. The party does not deserve the name GOP.
    The GOP isn't scary as long as you desire to have a theocracy. They might actually worry me as an agnostic more than the far left's loony ideas. Sadly these are the two choices we are left with.
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