Obamney 2012 - Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    But the reality really is that Tories in general are rising to power, be it the Brits or be here. America would be a lot more self reliant if we learnt how to manage expectations. Successful people built this country, that does not imply that being poor or not well to do (like most of us) is a sin, it just means we need to want it more.

    I find it appalling that Obama and his cronies have not embraced this. Bill Maher, on his show with Nick Gillespie and Rachel Maddow, said that in this country we have a culture of punishing failure. I am not sure I would have my kids listen to that. We do not punish failure, we want you to fear it, because failing at something is the first step towards success, not a reason for you to start fingerpointing at others.

    Memphis for eg is a prime example of people with the victim mentality multiplying by the dozens and preaching the mentality to the future generations.

    Does it make me a bad person to want success and prosperity as much as Trump and Buffet? No it does not, but if I am not working hard for it, and saying well Trump's Dad gave it to him or as the Man says "You did not build that", thats absolute bollocks, I deserve to rot for not taking responsibility of my actions. Every man worth his salt has to work hard for it, Obama or Bush, Jindal or Biden does not matter.

    I wish this society of ours would move up from the scavenger mentality that we have gotten into, in the last 4-6 years and into the capitalist boomers that we know we can be.

    Just my .02
    This is what society has become though. We never blame ourselves. Blame the President, blame the gov't, sue corporations for you falling in a store, blame McDonald's for your obesity, watch trashy people on reality TV shows, be lazy as ****. Until we take some personal ownership for our lives we are screwed. We have the government we've demanded. Hurricane Katrina happens and WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT? Come save me from myself government! Ban smoking, ban weed, bail me out, keep gays from getting married, just fix things for me! Blame government for why my kid can't read ignoring the fact that we are responsible for their upbringing.

    Pointing the finger is the new American way. Most people simply don't care anymore. We have HD TV, Playstation 3, and pizza stores open 24 hours. We're content to be average.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post






    I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.

    Yep, I'm bonkers Easy! A raving lunatic!

    Obama is as centrist as they come.
    Easy there pal, there are barely 4-5 of us who frequent this place, no point in name calling and operating in a "Everybody is a c*nt" mode. Its fine that we have differing opinions lets have a discussion about it, without resorting to petty name calling.


    Stewart made a very interesting point about Repubs blocking a benefit bill for Vets over some crazy filibustering move. Saw it last night when he interviewed the two vets on his show.

    Now that is when an executive order should become mandatory, however I fail to see why some of the others would be allowed to go thru. Whatever happened to the Fast and Furious mafia.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post

    I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.

    Yep, I'm bonkers Easy! A raving lunatic!

    Obama is as centrist as they come.
    He wasn't forced to lock the republicans out of the health care negotiations during his first year, yet he did. You are ****ing nuts as you seem to think as Obama does, that he has dictatorial rights and can ignore the representatives of half the population since they aren't in his party. He has made no effort whatsoever into anything bipartisan his entire 4 years. Those republicans were voted in because the public ALREADY had seen that Obama was governing as a dictator, and the exact reason they were voted in was to put brakes on his and Pelosi's insane goals that run contrary to the constitution and common sense. The american people weren't held hostage, the american people WANT obama stopped from pursuing a democrat only strategy to everything.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    This is what society has become though. We never blame ourselves. Blame the President, blame the gov't, sue corporations for you falling in a store, blame McDonald's for your obesity, watch trashy people on reality TV shows, be lazy as ****.
    How much of that is down to the appreciation of mediocrity that is handed out of the white house? Does not matter Red or Blue, both are equally guilty of this. I am not looking to go all Ron Paul on everyone here, but maybe we should vote in a third person to take democracy back.

    Until we take some personal ownership for our lives we are screwed. We have the government we've demanded. Hurricane Katrina happens and WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT? Come save me from myself government! Ban smoking, ban weed, bail me out
    Legalizing certain recreational drugs cannot be a bad thing, and in certain areas that would be the best thing to happen ever for their economy.

    Lets just say this part I agree with
    keep gays from getting married, just fix things for me!
    Have never supported the movement, and probably never will, lets just agree that I am a conservative in certain aspects.

    Blame government for why my kid can't read ignoring the fact that we are responsible for their upbringing.
    Absolutely, this is what winds me up immensely, I am disturbed at how far behind kids here are, compared to schools in India.

    Pointing the finger is the new American way. Most people simply don't care anymore. We have HD TV, Playstation 3, and pizza stores open 24 hours. We're content to be average.
    I guess this is where responsibility of action comes into play. Completely off related reference, but in this James Cameroon spoofing south park episode, the bar is set so low, that contentment is at an all time high. We need to realize our expectations from life have been lowered so much, that now suddenly we are absolutely tanked and the measure of contentment is really not there. A Best Buy Manager described to me that buying a HD TV is a life changing experience, lets just say, i tore him 2 new ones that evening.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The american people weren't held hostage, the american people WANT obama stopped from pursuing a democrat only strategy to everything.
    I probably agree to this piece over here, the rest not so much. He has a habit of prototyping republicans as gun totting scooters, which is really not true.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    You are ****ing nuts

    Yep I know, a raging lunatic I said. Completely blinded!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Obama is as centrist as they come.
    So if signing executive orders that destroy our Bill of Rights and Constitution is "centrist" being a centrist is inhumane, lol
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    How much of that is down to the appreciation of mediocrity that is handed out of the white house? Does not matter Red or Blue, both are equally guilty of this. I am not looking to go all Ron Paul on everyone here, but maybe we should vote in a third person to take democracy back.
    Could not agree more. I think a lot of it has to do with how satisfied we are ourselves with mediocrity. Our basic needs are taken care of so we are good to go.

    Have never supported the movement, and probably never will, lets just agree that I am a conservative in certain aspects.
    I'm not gay nor really care a bunch about the movement but I have no idea why it is the government's job to legislate this and not individual churches. The whole institution of marriage argument is such a crock. Most marriages end in divorce and you can get married by Elvis in Vegas in 5 minutes. Some institution that is, save it government! Let's let churches marry who they want, but agree to disagree I guess.

    Absolutely, this is what winds me up immensely, I am disturbed at how far behind kids here are, compared to schools in India.
    We blame the government, we should be blaming ourselves. We have gotten extremely lazy in our education from a parent perspective. When I have kids I'm going to be responsible for them learning even if they go to a public school. Again this is another reason why the conservative anti-science anti-intellectual stuff pisses me off so much.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT?
    Im not a Reagan fan but some things he said were right on,

    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan 40th president of US
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The american people weren't held hostage, the american people WANT obama stopped from pursuing a democrat only strategy to everything.
    This might be the new rules of politics. Freeze out the other side by not letting any discussion take place. When things go bad it's perfect for the team in the minority. Another reason why we need to ditch this two party nonsense. Being a moderate or working with the other side is now the most evil thing anyone can do left or right. Most of American isn't super far left or super far right, but that's who both parties are trying to appeal to and we are all losing because of it.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Im not a Reagan fan but some things he said were right on,

    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan 40th president of US
    Reagan was an unbelievable hypocrite sadly. Talked small government, but walked big government.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    So if signing executive orders that destroy our Bill of Rights and Constitution is "centrist" being a centrist is inhumane, lol
    Pretty sure he was doing this to allow America to function. We had important things to pass, the GOP publicly said they would block everything that comes through, as much as they could - no matter what it was. It's a ridiculous way to function. Like I was saying, it's scary what the GOP has become. The party does not deserve the name GOP.

  13. Any seriously Easy, why lower yourself to throwing around personal insults when you don't agree with someone's politics? Bit immature innit?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    Easy there pal, there are barely 4-5 of us who frequent this place, no point in name calling and operating in a "Everybody is a c*nt" mode. Its fine that we have differing opinions lets have a discussion about it, without resorting to petty name calling.

    You may need to re-read. I wasn't calling anyone a name in here. Other way around. I was sarcastically agreeing with Easy that I'm f&*king nuts bruva. I agree with you, it's immature and unnecessary.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Pretty sure he was doing this to allow America to function. We had important things to pass, the GOP publicly said they would block everything that comes through, as much as they could - no matter what it was. It's a ridiculous way to function. Like I was saying, it's scary what the GOP has become. The party does not deserve the name GOP.
    The GOP isn't scary as long as you desire to have a theocracy. They might actually worry me as an agnostic more than the far left's loony ideas. Sadly these are the two choices we are left with.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Pretty sure he was doing this to allow America to function. We had important things to pass, the GOP publicly said they would block everything that comes through, as much as they could - no matter what it was. It's a ridiculous way to function. Like I was saying, it's scary what the GOP has become. The party does not deserve the name GOP.
    Se lets cover some of Obama's executive orders that are "allowing America to function"

    Keep in mind, Obama swore to oath to protect our Constitution and he burned it to ashes.

    Ok so in order to allow America to function we must allow the government to indefinitely detail Americans and even murder them without trial.

    In order to allow America to function we must allow the executive to illegally bypass congress and go to NATO for authority to go to war and bomb the crap out of Lybia.

    In order to allow America to function we must allow the military to take control of all our countries natural resources including the homes of all Americans in both a time of war and peace.

    In order to allow America to function we must allow the military to detain any and or all Americans and force them to serve the military in a time of war and peace.

    In order to allow America to function we must use the NDAA act to bully and detail our Journalists.

    In order to allow America to function we must allow unlimited spying on Americans, warrant-less wiretapping, warrant-less arrest, warrant-less detainment, basically destroy the privacy of all Americans that were supposed to be protected by our Bill of Rights that Obama swore to protect, our "Constitutional Lawyer President." Although he did campaign against this 4 years ago and end these Bush era policies, but then turn around and made them worse.

    You have to love Obama's secret unconstitutional "kill list" with Americans on it. This is what we need to allow America to function.

    If this is what it takes to allow America to function, this isnt America anymore its China.
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  17. Honestly though, I'm a bit shocked to see that people in here don't view Obama as centrist. It's not just an opinion folks.Remove yourself and your own opinions for a minute from this equation....regardless of where your principles and loyalty lies. Look at the WORLD's view of Obama even, and you will see the majority of people view him as centrist. Numbers alone speak volumes, without having to go into all the details of why. It's just general knowledge.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Any seriously Easy, why lower yourself to throwing around personal insults when you don't agree with someone's politics? Bit immature innit?
    so you insulting a person's ideology and belief points is ok, but I can't tell you that you have to be a delusional wreckage to think Obama attempted any bipartisanship? I'll stand by "you are ****ing nuts to believe what you say you beleive"

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Honestly though, I'm a bit shocked to see that people in here don't view Obama as centrist. It's not just an opinion folks.Remove yourself and your own opinions for a minute from this equation....regardless of where your principles and loyalty lies. Look at the WORLD's view of Obama even, and you will see the majority of people view him as centrist. Numbers alone speak volumes, without having to go into all the details of why. It's just general knowledge.
    Yes, Chavez, Ahmenajad, Castro all view Obama as a moderate. General knowledge is crap, general knowledge said the earth was flat at a certain point in time, and that the sun revolved around the earth.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Se lets cover some of Obama's executive orders that are "allowing America to function"

    Keep in mind, Obama swore to oath to protect our Constitution and he burned it to ashes.

    Ok so in order to allow America to function we must allow the government to indefinitely detail Americans and even murder them without trial.

    In order to allow America to function we must allow the executive to illegally bypass congress and go to NATO for authority to go to war and bomb the crap out of Lybia.

    In order to allow America to function we must allow the military to take control of all our countries natural resources including the homes of all Americans in both a time of war and peace.

    In order to allow America to function we must allow the military to detain any and or all Americans and force them to serve the military in a time of war and peace.

    In order to allow America to function we must use the NDAA act to bully and detail our Journalists.

    In order to allow America to function we must allow unlimited spying on Americans, warrant-less wiretapping, warrant-less arrest, warrant-less detainment, basically destroy the privacy of all Americans that were supposed to be protected by our Bill of Rights that Obama swore to protect, our "Constitutional Lawyer President." Although he did campaign against this 4 years ago and end these Bush era policies, but then turn around and made them worse.

    You have to love Obama's secret unconstitutional "kill list" with Americans on it. This is what we need to allow America to function.

    If this is what it takes to allow America to function, this isnt America anymore its China.


    When was the draft reinstated? That is news to me.

    The military is in control of our oil, gas, solar, water, forestry, etc? Huh?

    And yes I agree with what you are saying about the monitoring of our own citizens, and how homeland security has been functioning. But you know what? I have nothing to hide... so I'm ok personally. Not saying that I agree with how things have been though here, with our own citizens living in fear of our own police, and their own rights being violated.. etc. That is a much larger issue than a partisan issue though. It's been an issue in American for many years.

    If you are speaking of opinions here as well, I am all for drones. Not too sure about homeland drones though, but again, I have nothing to hide. Spying is not a new concept either, and it's not a Democrat concept as well.


    Back to my original point though, which you didn't address, the GOP has done nothing in the past years to help the American people while being the House majority. They have played nothing but political games to further their own agenda, not the people's.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    so you insulting a person's ideology and belief points is ok, but I can't tell you that you have to be a delusional wreckage to think Obama attempted any bipartisanship? I'll stand by "you are ****ing nuts to believe what you say you beleive"

    I am not anti-GOP whatsoever, and have stated this already. But the party is falling apart, I think we all can agree on this!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Back to my original point though, which you didn't address, the GOP has done nothing in the past years to help the American people while being the House majority. They have played nothing but political games to further their own agenda, not the people's.
    more proof of your delusions. The house has passed a dozen jobs bills, all stuck in the democrat controlled senate. The house has passed multiple budgets, the senate 0.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I am not anti-GOP whatsoever, and have stated this already. But the party is falling apart, I think we all can agree on this!
    no, thats a convient marketing line for ideologues on the other side to use. Otherwise romney wouldn't have a majority in most every poll, and holding a majority of electoral college votes as per realclearpolitics.com

  24. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Yes, Chavez, Ahmenajad, Castro all view Obama as a moderate. General knowledge is crap, general knowledge said the earth was flat at a certain point in time, and that the sun revolved around the earth.
    LOL I am not talking about the views of a few socialist countries. By WORLD view I mean, the majority of people's view...

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Honestly though, I'm a bit shocked to see that people in here don't view Obama as centrist. It's not just an opinion folks.Remove yourself and your own opinions for a minute from this equation....regardless of where your principles and loyalty lies. Look at the WORLD's view of Obama even, and you will see the majority of people view him as centrist. Numbers alone speak volumes, without having to go into all the details of why. It's just general knowledge.
    I voted for Obama 4 years ago.

    He can be a centrist thats fine, but my whole point is both left and right within our government are primarily funded and lobbied by the same corporations and banks. There is no difference between the two or being a centrist. 99% of the planet can view him as a centrist, I call it as I see it, he is a bankster corporate mafia criminal.

    Personally I do not support left, right or centrist. All 3 of those views are xtreme. Abolish the political parties and all the labeling of left, right, conservative, liberal, it really doesnt mean anything.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    LOL I am not talking about the views of a few socialist countries. By WORLD view I mean, the majority of people's view...
    like the majority who believe the earth was flat, or the majority here who believe you can't get big or lose fat without eating 6-8 meals a day. A lot of people believing something doesn't make it true, sorry.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    no, thats a convient marketing line for ideologues on the other side to use

    No? I'm not allowed to prefer real solid conservative leaders like we've had in the past, over what we're offered now by the GOP? Really? Now you are telling me no..I'm not allowed to hold this opinion? Yeaaaaaahhh whatever man.

    I would take Bush Sr ANYDAY over Jr. It's been going nothing but downhill for the GOP since Jr was originally in office. Can you tell me that there has been one solid person run for office since then for them in the last two elections?

    Honestly, I would vote for any party, so long as it was for a real solid moderate candidate. Romney may say he's moderate, but in the debates and the past few months, it's been very forthcoming how much he changes his words to suit his audience.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post






    I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.



    Obama is as centrist as they come.
    there are a plethora of issues here. blaming 1 party is laughable, and I am sure that you know that. Neither side is willing to be bipartisan, but that also includes Obama. Additionally, saying he is a centrist doesnt make it so. I would love for an explanation on how a socialized health care system is centrist? Lets just start there

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    No? I'm not allowed to prefer real solid conservative leaders like we've had in the past, over what we're offered now by the GOP? Really? Now you are telling me no..I'm not allowed to hold this opinion? Yeaaaaaahhh whatever man.

    I would take Bush Sr ANYDAY over Jr. It's been going nothing but downhill for the GOP since Jr was originally in office. Can you tell me that there has been one solid person run for office since then for them in the last two elections?

    Honestly, I would vote for any party, so long as it was for a real solid moderate candidate. Romney may say he's moderate, but in the debates and the past few months, it's been very forthcoming how much he changes his words to suit his audience.
    You cant seriously even take these debates seriously, can you? Its just a puppet show, its has only 1% significance and most people already decided who won the debate before it even took place.

    Any undecided voter basing their vote on what they see on these corporate controlled, closed off to the rest of the election (Gary Johnson legally should be on them) is seriously only choosing on what Hollywood movie is better than the other.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I voted for Obama 4 years ago.

    He can be a centrist thats fine, but my whole point is both left and right within our government are primarily funded and lobbied by the same corporations and banks. There is no difference between the two or being a centrist. 99% of the planet can view him as a centrist, I call it as I see it, he is a bankster corporate mafia criminal.

    Personally I do not support left, right or centrist. All 3 of those views are xtreme. Abolish the political parties and all the labeling of left, right, conservative, liberal, it really doesnt mean anything.

    I mostly agree with you here, and I think it's very difficult to function in everyone's interest within a 2 party system.

    The remarks about him being a mafia criminal seem a bit extreme though, but I do respect your stance about both parties. But if these politicians can't think for themselves, then how is he going about these executive orders and decisions? Do we blame the banks and call them the dictators? Is it the mafia that are the dictators? Is Obama the dictator as you and others stated in this thread? Or is he being controlled as the same people claim? Seems a bit contradictory to say these things.

    I am just curious though, who will you vote for this year? If you don't mind me asking.
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