What does the ban REALLY mean??
10-10-2004 02:39 PM
What does the ban REALLY mean??
I was sitting around the lab, disscussing the pH ban with a coworker and he started to ask me some thought provoking questions about the ban, which I was unable to answer. These led me to ask even more questions and get even more confused, so i figured I'd post them here and maybe someone who knows can help.
What does the Ban really mean? We all know that we wont be able to buy pH leagally ovet the net or in the mall anymore, but does that make them schedule III like real gear?
What about stuff purchased before the ban? If the cops happen to see a bottle of M4OHN that I've been holding onto is that the same as a pile of Dbol?
What about resale between private parties? If I want to give my little brother a bottle of pH but want something in return is that distribution of narcotics?
Are there any other places that sell pH? A hormone powder shop just over the border into canada would do ****loads of bussiness after the ban (Hint, hint guys).
After the ban would it just make more sense to go straight back to real gear in light of the changes in legal status?
I dont know the answers to any of these questions but would really like to know.
10-10-2004 02:56 PM
10-10-2004 04:37 PM
10-10-2004 07:36 PM
we who like these things are f#cked. Doubtful the policy police are gonna send dogs into houses, but above-the-board dist. will end, sources will dry up, production may end (unless the demand continues and the black mkt stands to profit). More likely AAS demand will go up. If you sell these things, you're at risk. If you have a huge supply you might have a problem. Otherwise, if you get busted with a couple bottles of M4OHN or something, just ask for a jury trial and let 'em know you bought them legally and you're not gonna throw 'em away unless the gov't is gonna reimburse you for the cost. Oh, and speak to a lawyer. F#ck the ban.
10-11-2004 01:17 PM
A hormone shop just over the Canadian border would do ****loads of business? With who the RCMP? Anything that is illegal in the US is illegal in Canada, to put it mildly.
Originally Posted by Chem101
As for your other questions, all "prohormones" (i.e. steroids which are legal because of a legal loophole which the ban closes) will be just as illegal as any illegal steroid is today. So the swapmeet forum here will not be in use for these items, and any such sales will be illegal. Play at your own risk, but you could end up getting daily, if unorthodox, injections from something close to a 1-gauge "needle."
10-11-2004 05:36 PM
A lot of it depends on how they are schedulled and to a certain degree the state you live in. If the do schedule them as class III substance is will just go to show how ignorant the government is. I wrote my rep about this and he sent me back a letter that had nothing to do with PH but was about ephidrine. It is clear that they have no idea what they are talking about her. Who are the professionals that they called in? Did P.A. get to speak? Isn't he the leading authority on these?
The best thing to do is to check the laws in your state. These are states where if you get caught with GH it isn't the same as getting busted with D-Bol.
And yes Chem101. The guys on captital hill whose gunny sacks have already shrivelled up never thought about what the PH users would do. If the penalties are the same, go for the real stuff. Hell, in some ways it's even cheaper.
Has any one seen a draft of the ban? It would be interesting to see what the final wording came out to be. And let's remember, it only includes a those PH's that are on the market now, someone could come out with something not covered on this ban.
By the way, if you ever come a physician who has done a sex change operation or know someone who has had one, please report them to the police and insist that they be arrested. It is illegal to use AAS to change one's appearence isn't it? This only shows how the government is so short sighted and is willing to cater to special interest groups. This November when I go to vote, if you're in office now, I'm voting against you. I suggest everyone do the same.
10-12-2004 12:50 PM
Well Bros I guess that let most of the wind outta my sails. I had thought about buying a pile (100grams) or so worth of powder and some of those sledge liquids everybody seems to love to last me well into next year, possibly a year and a half. If that stuff is going to be the same in the eyes of the law as real gear I suppose there is no point in doing so. How incredibly dissappointing, just when really good pH start hitting the market, ones that really work...BAM, back to square one.
Is the gov't likely to issue some sort of service announcememnt once the ban happens telling us to flush what we have? Or are we just supposed to know what to do?
I thought the canadian gov't was much easier on gear than our own, I just kind of assumed that they wouldn't ban pH. Every time I cross the border I pick up some cuban Cigars and Everclear, so I figured why not some andro while were at it. If you are more familiar with the laws in Cananda could you please fill the rest of us in. Thanks
10-12-2004 01:18 PM
canada banned prohormones a while back, but i looked at the banned list and most of the new stuff isnt on it.
Hell i had Mdien get sent to health canada to be inspected, and it was sent back and shipped to me declared legal..
But yeah you cant buy them here unless its on the sly
10-12-2004 02:09 PM
if its a federal law how will states determine anything? I thought that they were scheduling ph as III?
10-12-2004 02:39 PM
I'm not worried about them finding my "stash" of PH's. If it is in your house BEFORE the ban goes into effect and you do not try and sell or mail them, then what are the odds that anyone will find out or care?
If they are giving the distributors 90 days to empty their supply then it would seem unfair to not give the consumer MORE time to consume it.
10-12-2004 06:58 PM
In Canada, individual amino acids were illegal for a while. Now some of them are not. All of it is bull****. The same government spent $2 billion on a gun-registry program so stupid that the police won't even enforce it. You people shouldn't think you are so hard up in the US.
If you are a heroin junky or a pothead, I guess Canada is "the place to be" -- there is an experimental clinic in Vancouver which has registered nurses shoot up junkies for free. The US is also not too pleased about Canada's lax enforcement of marijuana laws, which give every incentive for the chinese gangs to grow tons (and tons) of weed and smuggle it into the US.
10-12-2004 07:02 PM
Government is all back-asswards worldwide ATM. The europeanization of the world is turning us into a bunch of do nothings (socialism, welfare, etc) with ever decreasing rights...people are stupid.
Originally Posted by Strateg0s
10-12-2004 08:10 PM
Kristopher was right, Canada banned PH a good while back, so we were importing them from the US. It's luck of the draw when trying to import something in the grey market from the US, I know many people who've had their stuff seized. I think it very safe to say that this stuff WOULDN'T be considered legal. In Canada possession of anabolics is not technically illegal but if you're caught, then the RCMP won't look kindly on it (but I don't believe there's a serious effort to 'crack down' on AAS). Now trying to acquire AAS is illegal, so purchasing or trafficking is gonna get you into some hot water. And I agree with Strateg0s, the gun registry was a STUPID idea..and they're not gonna let it die either, they'll just keep pouring money into it..and up here we have only a small fraction of gun related violence, aside from the fact that you ALREADY have to have a permit/lisence for handguns or the like. So it's basically the people who hunt with their rifles getting shafted. Yeah, they're also experimenting with walk-in clinics for drug users in a couple of bigger urban areas. Don't think the nurses can shoot them up though, they could be charged for that. They can, however, give them all the needles, syringes, alcohol swabs, etc.. for them to do it with and monitor them as they do it and afterwards in case of emergency.
Yes, what a great country.
10-12-2004 09:03 PM
10-12-2004 11:00 PM
Don't ask how I know this but the Secratery of Health in your state has a lot of control over what gets schedulled and what doesn't. Now I'm not saying it would be legal to have something the feds banned, it's just that you would have to be busted my the feds. So save for doing something stupid like shipping it over state lines or transporting across state lines and juristiction falls to your local and state police. A good example is HGH. Some states specifically list it as a controlled substance, other states do not, you could still get busted by the feds but really, are you worried about the DEA busting into your house or getting pulled over by a state trooper with a bottle of 4-AD in your gym bag?
Recommended reading: Legal Muscle (It's written by an attorny and he breaks down the laws for each state, a nice read if you want to think about something like, of cattle inplants).
10-12-2004 11:11 PM
I don't see a problem with government sanctioned drug houses. People are going to do it anyway, so you just make it safer for them. It's like safe sex education and free condoms. Adults should have the right to choose what they do with their bodies. It's no different than a government AAS house for those of us who want to partake in it. Wouldn't that be nice? Go Canada!
Originally Posted by Strateg0s
10-12-2004 11:29 PM
In simple English they will be the same as steroids legally. Did anyone know there is discussion on banning Creatine. These stupid *******s dont know anything about what they vote on.
10-14-2004 06:58 PM
I'm switching off gear and ph's to cigarretes and booze. At least then I know the government will NEVER take those things off the market. I mean if they were harmful to us, they'd surely protect us by banning them right? Because they're just looking out for our best interests right? So they MUST be completely safe and healthy. Beer and Cigs- the new dbol and test.