[goldylight]

http://www.wbir.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=20241


additionally:
In Wisconsin four homes with Bush/Cheney sings on their lawns has swastika's burned into their lawns with grass killer. The signs were also stolen. There seems to be an increase in these incidents the closer the election gets.
the other week "some group" broke in and stole Republican computers from campaign head quarters

thoughts:
why cant democrats get this fired up about islamic terrorists.

Question - What does the Democrat Party and Islam have in common?

Answer - They are both hate-filled, evil cults.

Flame away.

[Gumbo]

Originally Posted by goldylight

http://www.wbir.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=20241


additionally:
In Wisconsin four homes with Bush/Cheney sings on their lawns has swastika's burned into their lawns with grass killer. The signs were also stolen. There seems to be an increase in these incidents the closer the election gets.
the other week "some group" broke in and stole Republican computers from campaign head quarters

thoughts:
why cant democrats get this fired up about islamic terrorists.

Question - What does the Democrat Party and Islam have in common?

Answer - They are both hate-filled, evil cults.

Flame away.

Agreed.

Gumbo

[Jeff]

Free speech for me, not for thee

[goldylight]

another incedent:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5901781/

[CEDeoudes59]

Communists......

[goldylight]

http://www.local6.com/politics/3785861/detail.html
again WTF is wrong with these people now they ransack an office. geez.

[CEDeoudes59]

Today,
Tennessee: Liberals shoot up Bush/Cheney headquarters
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...4050-1855r.htm

West Virginia: Liberals shoot at Bush/Cheney headquarters
http://wowktv.com/news/index.cfm?newsItemID=1320

[CEDeoudes59]

there you have it. The open minded peacenik liberals

[kwyckemynd00]

Ha, ha, ha...so open minded aren't they?

Kinda like how they call the rightists the racists, yet they repeatedly insist that minorities must have lower standards in school, etc, in order to achieve; ROFL. A good example was a UC system example. Our UC's decided to up the GPA for acceptance out of highschol from 2.8 to 3.0. Seems reasonable to me for going to a UC! Now, after the vote passed (smoething like 15-4) liberal activists chanted "Education is right, not just for the rich and white!" I don't understand how minorities vote for these kooks! They've essentially labeled them as inherent underachievers and incompetent, yet they cast huge numbers in their favor! Another example is when we try to upgrade voting equiptment or standards (i.e. requiring drivers liscenses and proof of citizenship to vote). These are ALWAYS met with remarks saying that the Republicans are using this as a racist mechanism to discount minority votes; By virtue of that statement they're saying a) that minorities are too dumb to use new voting equiptment and b) that we're racists for not wanting illegal aliens to vote.

ROTFLMAO!

The party of equality (see above)...the party of peace and open-mindedness (see original post)...ROFL...they really need to rethink that party of peace and open-mindedness thing...LOL

[CEDeoudes59]

scholarships at UC-Berkeley reserved for homosexuals.
I love it.

in other news,
Cheney was solid. Edwards wasn't bad either (my opinion).
The media is calling it a solid Cheney victory though

[kwyckemynd00]

Many California schools have a policy that not only allow low income students to get free classes and books (which I don't have a problem with), THEY GIVE LOW INCOME STUDENTS PRIORITY OVER ALL OTHER STUDENTS WHEN IT COMES TO REGISTRATION TIMES FOR CLASSES!! Now, that pisses me off!! Equality....where???

[Iron Warrior]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Many California schools have a policy that not only allow low income students to get free classes and books (which I don't have a problem with), THEY GIVE LOW INCOME STUDENTS PRIORITY OVER ALL OTHER STUDENTS WHEN IT COMES TO REGISTRATION TIMES FOR CLASSES!! Now, that pisses me off!! Equality....where???

Not only that but they give them money too !!! In community college, some **** got $4,000 plus tuition and books covered I didn't get jack **** and I was on the football team.

[CDB]

There's an easy answer to all this: get the government out of education. There's a reason why 90% of the households in our country have TVs but very few have good education delivered. The regulation of the former is relatively free, the regulations surrounding the latter are strict, basically state controlled. There's no profit sheet, so no way to tell who is doing a good job, ie educting kids as good as can possibly be at the lowest cost possible. And liberals scream for more money, when they should be screaming as to why they are getting so little for what they've already poured into the system.

[VanillaGorilla]

Another example is when we try to upgrade voting equiptment or standards (i.e. requiring drivers liscenses and proof of citizenship to vote). These are ALWAYS met with remarks saying that the Republicans are using this as a racist mechanism to discount minority votes; By virtue of that statement they're saying a) that minorities are too dumb to use new voting equiptment and b) that we're racists for not wanting illegal aliens to vote.

If they that passed the democrats loose votes. Why wouldn't they fight it.lol

[goldylight]

http://www.wisgop.org/view.phtml?func=ch&lg=&id=83
PROTESTERS STORM BUSH/CHENEY MILWAUKEE HEADQUARTERS...

And again.

[Jeff]

Kind of off topic but I these are the usual talking points with the 'bush lied' people at work

I think it's time to roll out the historical quotes by memory-hole leftists again:


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998


"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.


"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.


"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998.


"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998


"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.


"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

[Jeff]

And the current administration is not the only one to tie iraq and al-queda

From the December 29, 2003 / January 5, 2004 issue of the weekly standard

Connecting the dots in 1998, but not in 2003.
by Stephen F. Hayes
12/29/2003, Volume 009, Issue 16


ARE AL QAEDA'S links to Saddam Hussein's Iraq just a fantasy of the Bush administration? Hardly. The Clinton administration also warned the American public about those ties and defended its response to al Qaeda terror by citing an Iraqi connection.


For nearly two years, starting in 1996, the CIA monitored the al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan. The plant was known to have deep connections to Sudan's Military Industrial Corporation, and the CIA had gathered intelligence on the budding relationship between Iraqi chemical weapons experts and the plant's top officials. The intelligence included information that several top chemical weapons specialists from Iraq had attended ceremonies to celebrate the plant's opening in 1996. And, more compelling, the National Security Agency had intercepted telephone calls between Iraqi scientists and the plant's general manager.


Iraq also admitted to having a $199,000 contract with al Shifa for goods under the oil-for-food program. Those goods were never delivered. While it's hard to know what significance, if any, to ascribe to this information, it fits a pattern described in recent CIA reporting on the overlap in the mid-1990s between al Qaeda-financed groups and firms that violated U.N. sanctions on behalf of Iraq.


The clincher, however, came later in the spring of 1998, when the CIA secretly gathered a soil sample from 60 feet outside of the plant's main gate. The sample showed high levels of O-ethylmethylphosphonothioic acid, known as EMPTA, which is a key ingredient for the deadly nerve agent VX. A senior intelligence official who briefed reporters at the time was asked which countries make VX using EMPTA. "Iraq is the only country we're aware of," the official said. "There are a variety of ways of making VX, a variety of recipes, and EMPTA is fairly unique."


That briefing came on August 24, 1998, four days after the Clinton administration launched cruise-missile strikes against al Qaeda targets in Afghanistan and Sudan (Osama bin Laden's headquarters from 1992-96), including the al Shifa plant. The missile strikes came 13 days after bombings at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania killed 257 people--including 12 Americans--and injured nearly 5,000. Clinton administration officials said that the attacks were in part retaliatory and in part preemptive. U.S. intelligence agencies had picked up "chatter" among bin Laden's deputies indicating that more attacks against American interests were imminent.


The al Shifa plant in Sudan was largely destroyed after being hit by six Tomahawk missiles. John McWethy, national security correspondent for ABC News, reported the story on August 25, 1998:



Before the pharmaceutical plant was reduced to rubble by American cruise missiles, the CIA was secretly gathering evidence that ended up putting the facility on America's target list. Intelligence sources say their agents clandestinely gathered soil samples outside the plant and found, quote, "strong evidence" of a chemical compound called EMPTA, a compound that has only one known purpose, to make VX nerve gas.



Then, the connection:



The U.S. had been suspicious for months, partly because of Osama bin Laden's financial ties, but also because of strong connections to Iraq. Sources say the U.S. had intercepted phone calls from the plant to a man in Iraq who runs that country's chemical weapons program.



The senior intelligence officials who briefed reporters laid out the collaboration. "We knew there were fuzzy ties between [bin Laden] and the plant but strong ties between him and Sudan and strong ties between the plant and Sudan and strong ties between the plant and Iraq." Although this official was careful not to oversell bin Laden's ties to the plant, other Clinton officials told reporters that the plant's general manager lived in a villa owned by bin Laden.


Several Clinton administration national security officials told THE WEEKLY STANDARD last week that they stand by the intelligence. "The bottom line for me is that the targeting was justified and appropriate," said Daniel Benjamin, director of counterterrorism on Clinton's National Security Council, in an emailed response to questions. "I would be surprised if any president--with the evidence of al Qaeda's intentions evident in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and the intelligence on [chemical weapons] that was at hand from Sudan--would have made a different decision about bombing the plant."


The current president certainly agrees. "I think you give the commander in chief the benefit of the doubt," said George W. Bush, governor of Texas, on August 20, 1998, the same day as the U.S. counterstrikes. "This is a foreign policy matter. I'm confident he's working on the best intelligence available, and I hope it's successful."


Wouldn't the bombing of a plant with well-documented connections to Iraq's chemical weapons program, undertaken in an effort to strike back at Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, seem to suggest the Clinton administration national security officials believed Iraq was working with al Qaeda? Benjamin, who has been one of the leading skeptics of claims that Iraq was working with al Qaeda, doesn't want to connect those dots.


Instead, he describes al Qaeda and Iraq as unwitting collaborators. "The Iraqi connection with al Shifa, given what we know about it, does not yet meet the test as proof of a substantive relationship because it isn't clear that one side knew the other side's involvement. That is, it is not clear that the Iraqis knew about bin Laden's well-concealed investment in the Sudanese Military Industrial Corporation. The Sudanese very likely had their own interest in VX development, and they would also have had good reasons to keep al Qaeda's involvement from the Iraqis. After all, Saddam was exactly the kind of secularist autocrat that al Qaeda despised. In the most extreme case, if the Iraqis suspected al Qaeda involvement, they might have had assurances from the Sudanese that bin Laden's people would never get the weapons. That may sound less than satisfying, but the Sudanese did show a talent for fleecing bin Laden. It is all somewhat speculative, and it would be helpful to know more."


It does sound less than satisfying to one Bush administration official. "So, when the Clinton administration wants to justify its strike on al Shifa," this official tells me, "it's okay to use an Iraq-al Qaeda connection. But now that the Bush administration and George Tenet talk about links, it's suddenly not believable?"


The Clinton administration heavily emphasized the Iraq link to justify its 1998 strikes against al Qaeda. Just four days before the embassy bombings, Saddam Hussein had once again stepped up his defiance of U.N. weapons inspectors, causing what Senator Richard Lugar called another Iraqi "crisis." Undersecretary of State Thomas Pickering, one of those in the small circle of Clinton advisers involved in planning the strikes, briefed foreign reporters on August 25, 1998. He was asked about the connection directly and answered carefully.



Q: Ambassador Pickering, do you know of any connection between the so-called pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum and the Iraqi government in regard to production of precursors of VX?


PICKERING: Yeah, I would like to consult my notes just to be sure that what I have to say is stated clearly and correctly. We see evidence that we think is quite clear on contacts between Sudan and Iraq. In fact, al Shifa officials, early in the company's history, we believe were in touch with Iraqi individuals associated with Iraq's VX program.



Ambassador Bill Richardson, at the time U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, echoed those sentiments in an appearance on CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer," on August 30, 1998. He called the targeting "one of the finest hours of our intelligence people."


"We know for a fact, physical evidence, soil samples of VX precurs