Prohormone ban implemented, automatic weapons ban lifted
- 10-02-2004, 08:57 AM
- 10-02-2004, 09:00 AM
- 10-02-2004, 09:05 AM
Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
Actually Kuwait is very safe. While there I went to TGIFridays, Fuddruckers, 2 malls, and drove past a Lambourghini dealership. Those Kuwaitis have money. A natural born Kuwaiti gets paid 200K a year for being alive and they spend all their time trying to spend all their money.
10-02-2004, 12:34 PM
Evidently you've been watching too much CNN about the assault weapons ban. The assault weapons ban had nothing whatsoever to do with automatic weapons. Fully automatic weapons have been heavily regulated since the early 1900's and civilians have been banned from buying new fully automatic weapons since 1986. The only thing the assault weapons ban did in effect was limit high capacity magazines, collapsable stocks, and flash supressors to law enforcement. It had no effect on crime rates so it was really useless.Originally Posted by RobInKuwait
10-02-2004, 01:35 PM
Thank you, you saved me from having say it. You also could still purchase the same weapons, they just had to be manufactured before a certain date and they cost more. I don't see members of Al Qaeda or gangstas picking up semi autos to accomplish their missions. The ignorance surrounded by this piece of useless legislation irritates me to no end. BTW I just picked up a nice law enforcement version Colt AR15.Originally Posted by your2slow
10-02-2004, 01:53 PM
I'm looking at a Rock River Arms Elite CAR A4 No Ban model myself. Have fun with the Colt!!!Originally Posted by NPursuit
10-02-2004, 02:42 PM
10-02-2004, 04:23 PM
10-02-2004, 05:09 PM
Actually Kuwait is very safe. While there I went to TGIFridays, Fuddruckers, 2 malls, and drove past a Lambourghini dealership. Those Kuwaitis have money. A natural born Kuwaiti gets paid 200K a year for being alive and they spend all their time trying to spend all their money.[/QUOTE]
Jeez, I just wish I lived in Kuwait.
10-02-2004, 05:15 PM
Well you think the assalt weapons thing is bad enough, look at the democrats trying to get the draft reinstated. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query was proposed by all democrats (which i side with lots of times, but am 100% against this bill), if you are in college you still must go, unles you are a senior, which you then can wait and finish the year, or in highschool which they will let you finish. Only good thing about the bill is that women will be drafted to.
10-02-2004, 05:25 PM
They should only draft women with PMS. My wife could take out at least 100 terrorists on a PMS day. They should send Rouge too, he's such a little whiner.
10-02-2004, 05:31 PM
10-02-2004, 08:15 PM
I think they are using that as more of a scare tactic to get people to vote for Kerry. There's a mass email going around the internet about it claiming Bush wants to start up the draft because of this.Originally Posted by snakebyte05
10-02-2004, 08:19 PM
Yup, i've heard that exact same thing about bush from all the kerry supporters. I already have a copy of the bill printed out. It always is fun to shove things like this in someones face. Im not strictly bush or kerry, so i'm not trying to stick up for bush or kerry. Just to many people misinformed about whats going on.Originally Posted by your2slow
10-02-2004, 08:50 PM
Heh, I just always heard it called the assault weapons ban, and my buddy was telling me he could buy an AK in the states now. I'm not saying that I think this is a good piece of legislation, I just think that its ironic that legislators are increasing my access to weapons used only to kill other people, while decreasing my ability to ingest what I choose into body(aka "kill" myself with prohormones).Originally Posted by your2slow
10-02-2004, 08:57 PM
That whole draft thing is ****ing scary. I can't imagine the leadership challenge of being in charge of a company of "soldiers" in Iraq forced to be in the army by the point of the gun.
10-02-2004, 10:18 PM
10-02-2004, 10:52 PM
He's always been able to buy an AK-47 in the states or at least since they were designed years ago. A standard AK-47 is semi-automatic and most of the ones you buy will be cheaply made by an unheard of company. The Assault Weapons ban didn't actually ban any kind of firearm it banned certain characteristics of firearms. BTW I use my guns for things other than killing people. Actually I've never killed anyone and hope I never have to, but I do like to target shoot with those guns to keep myself in practice. That's what the majority of gun owners in the world do, but it seems we're never mentioned in the media.Originally Posted by RobInKuwait
I agree with you on the prohormones ban just so you know. Alcohol and Tobacco has killed more people than our supplements ever will. Tobacco has become a cash cow for the government now and beer companies pump alot of cash into the economy. IOW line the pockets of politicians with green and we'll have the finest prohormones ever developed on the shelves of every gas station.
10-02-2004, 10:55 PM
10-02-2004, 11:04 PM
10-03-2004, 03:21 AM
guys, automatic weapons are still covered by the NFA and GCA. They are not any more available now then they were last month. You need to do more research and watch less TV.
10-03-2004, 03:22 AM
10-03-2004, 08:40 AM
To be honest I don't know enough about all the individual different makers to know which one to recommend. You might want to check out the news group rec.guns. There are many knowledgable people on that forum. You can buy kits to build your own AR-15 for about $500 from what I understand. I don't know anyone that has personally done that, but from what I've read they are good entry level AR-15's.Originally Posted by DR.D
10-03-2004, 09:13 AM
OFF TOPIC: Take a look at the actual draft bill, and you'll see that it's a stunt coming from far left Congressmen including the a$$hole who famously claimed we had gone to red alert. See also Fahrenheit 911's display of Rep. McDermott, who's involved in the bill.
10-03-2004, 10:05 AM
10-03-2004, 11:26 AM
I have seen the movie (which I did not like at all), but what was his part in the movie? I'm with you thinking that all these rumors around with bush going to be the one to reinstate the draft, when in fact democrats are.Originally Posted by rrgg
10-03-2004, 11:51 AM
I hope this doesn't become a Fahrenheit 911 thread... but to answer your question McDermott is the guy in the film who talked about the psychology of scaring people into policy change. Conyers is the guy who talked about voting for the PATRIOT Act without debating it.
This isn't a pitch for either Kerry or Bush. I'm simply claiming that the "draft" bill is a political stunt that is not supported by the White House in any way. It is coming from Rangel, Abercrombie, Conyers, Lewis, McDermott, and Stark. Lewis is the only Republican in the group. They're not exactly friends of the White House. In fact, Conyers is on the lunatic fringe. Last May he even appeared at an MAS "Freedom Awards" event honoring Abdurahman Alamoudi who had been charged with involvement in an assassination plot among other terrorist activities.
10-03-2004, 11:55 AM
Well, I think if bush wins, he very well may have to reinstate the draft. If you crunch the number of soldiers in OIF/OEF against the large number of soldiers getting out versus the relatively few coming in, it will be very hard to maintain these conflicts for an extended period without either giving soldiers a major pay raise, putting the soldiers in now permanently on stop loss, or reinstating the draft.Originally Posted by snakebyte05
10-03-2004, 12:03 PM
The issue was the (false) rumour that the White House was secretly taking action to reinstate the draft. That's a very different issue from whether the US has to reinstate the draft in the near future.
P.S. You're also not accounting for the forces the US plans to withdraw from other places like Europe (and has already started in South Korea). And you're assuming the US will maintain troop levels after the 2005 elections in Iraq.
10-03-2004, 01:02 PM
10-03-2004, 01:20 PM
10-03-2004, 03:09 PM
Actually, I never heard this rumor, I'm just looking at the number of manuever units in the US army and their deployment rotations (every other year). I'm also looking at the number of my friends and their soldiers who are getting out once their commitments are up or stop loss is lifted. The number is VERY high.Originally Posted by rrgg
Actually I am. Every major manuever command in Europe has deployed in the past three years, 1ID has twice.Originally Posted by rrgg
Also we're not withdrawing from europe we're just reorganizing it to fit the new BCT structure.
Also a division out of Korea is in Iraq as we speak.
10-03-2004, 03:14 PM
1st armored was there 15 months and is going back in April after a 9 month break, and 1st infantry returned for their second year there. V Corps and III Corps were also there. The troops in Germany are pulling just as much weight in OIF/OEF as almost any other unit in the army.Originally Posted by goldylight
10-03-2004, 04:29 PM
10-03-2004, 06:06 PM
Most likely not, but the fact that it has even been proposed, I think is a bad move on anyones part.Originally Posted by wastedwhiteboy2
10-03-2004, 06:20 PM
10-12-2004, 12:09 AM
1) The Draft Proposal was first put forth by Charles Rangel (whom I have always considered a weenie) quite some time back as a form of protest because it contained absolutely no loopholes for anybody in the right age group- Senator's kids would be called up. The GOP pidgeonholed it until the right time (Rangel's protest message was forgotten and it was near the election) and then they publically stomped it to death.
Of course that means they won't have to debate the issues Rangel brought up whan they come up with their draft proposal after the elections.
2) The rumors started about the draft (before Rangel's bill) when someone looked on the Selective Service web site, and noted that they were soliciting for volunteers to local SS boards all over the country. A hew and cry went up and subsuquently the web site reported that they have always been soliciting for volunteers to local SS boards all over the country.
Say, I get an obscure rag called "Federal Practitioner." It had an article that noted the commision responsible for the plan to draft physiscians recently reported that they can role out the program and have the first doctors in uniform within 6 months of being given the word. So don't think for a second that there are not government bodies preparing to implement the draft.
Me? Since I started seeing the Fnords, I think Robert Anton Wilson of the Guns and Dope Party should be President:
The G'n'D Party Advocates:
 guns for those who want them, no guns
forced on those who don't want them (pacfists, Quakers etc.)
 drugs for those who want them,
no drugs forced on those who don't want them (Christian Scientists etc.)
 an end to Tsarism and a return to constitutional democracy
 equal rights for ostriches.
Ok, I'm still undecided about the ostriches, but I think the rest of the platform ROCKS!
10-12-2004, 12:17 AM
Oh, Yeah. I love my pre ban FN-FAL .308 battle rifle. I don't use illegal drugs....
-Man, that PH ban SUCKS.
If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny. -Thomas Jefferson
Last edited by INFOHAZARD; 10-12-2004 at 12:37 AM.
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