Election of 2012....Who ya got?

[ax1]

Then let's just agree to respectfully disagree with each other. Although, I really don't think we have a disagreement abount political philosophy, but rather, Obama's agenda. And that's ok really.

Yeah, seems like that, lol

[Jessep76]

You might personally agree with him Ax, but he does not resonate with that base, which was evident with his 9-11 comments and the crowd reaction. He has no shot.

I think his down fall was not entirely with the criticism of US foreign policy and the roots of 9-11, but also the comment that we do not give palestinians fair treatment. That is such a taboo subject especially (for some reason) if you believe they are in fact being mistreated which he alluded to. Which is ballsy. I'm not completely sure if all his radical ideas would work or not in our current society, but I'd vote for him in a heart beat.

[ax1]

I think his down fall was not entirely with the criticism of US foreign policy and the roots of 9-11, but also the comment that we do not give palestinians fair treatment. That is such a taboo subject especially (for some reason) if you believe they are in fact being mistreated which he alluded to. Which is ballsy. I'm not completely sure if all his radical ideas would work or not in our current society, but I'd vote for him in a heart beat.

Why would you think his ideas are radical? His ideas are make the most sense. All the other candidates are pro-war which is extremely radical to me.

I dont think Im really asking you a question, so you dont have to answer...just my point of view.

To me, talking economics without addressing ending all the wars and military industrial complex is very radical...all the candidates appear to be guilty of this besides Ron Paul. Ron Paul's idea's are the norm.

[Jessep76]

Why would you think his ideas are radical? His ideas are make the most sense. All the other candidates are pro-war which is extremely radical to me.

I dont think Im really asking you a question, so you dont have to answer...just my point of view.

To me, talking economics without addressing ending all the wars and military industrial complex is very radical...all the candidates appear to be guilty of this besides Ron Paul. Ron Paul's idea's are the norm.

I over stated when I said all his views. Specifically the ending of both wars would be great. I'm most referring to ending the IRS which sounds great, and has potential in theory, but would be a huge change. Oh also hearing the truth from polititians would be a huge change

[fueledpassion]

Yeah I agree and I'd vote for Ron Paul in a heart beat, too. I personally dont think the war is necessary and since we're only getting a very small amount of our oil from the middle east I dont even think we have good reason to be over there.

[ax1]

Yeah I agree and I'd vote for Ron Paul in a heart beat, too. I personally dont think the war is necessary and since we're only getting a very small amount of our oil from the middle east I dont even think we have good reason to be over there.

We have enough oil in Dakota and Montana alone to take us completely out of debt and also give Americans enough oil until at least 2040.

The wars arent about protecting the oil supply for America...the wars are about (partly about, but wont get into it here) profiting off the oil thats exported throught the world.

[Jessep76]

Wait wait wait....wait

I thought we were liberating the afghans from the taliban and looking for bin laden all this time.

[ax1]

Wait wait wait....wait

I thought we were liberating the afghans from the taliban and looking for bin laden all this time.

Thats right, and we still are. Sorry, We should find him any day now.

[Jessep76]

Thats right, and we still are. Sorry, We should find him any day now.

And soon as Saddam's out of power and we find the WMDs we can bring our troops home from there too. See Ax why are you such a pessimist

[fueledpassion]

We have enough oil in Dakota and Montana alone to take us completely out of debt and also give Americans enough oil until at least 2040.

The wars arent about protecting the oil supply for America...the wars are about (partly about, but wont get into it here) profiting off the oil thats exported throught the world.

yea I know. When one looks at all the excuses the government has given to be over there one can see something doesn't add up.

-Taliban isn't a real threat anymore. Sure, they might be able to do a sneak attack on us again but no more or less than they could 10 years ago.

-W. finished his daddy's work from years ago, so thats not a reason.

-We only pull maybe 4% of our oil supply from that region anyways. Hmmm...

[ax1]

-Taliban isn't a real threat anymore. Sure, they might be able to do a sneak attack on us again but no more or less than they could 10 years ago.

-W. finished his daddy's work from years ago, so thats not a reason.

-We only pull maybe 4% of our oil supply from that region anyways. Hmmm...

Well, it is their land..Im not sticking up for them as a people but Im sure if China was building bases in Texas China would be getting sneak attacks too.

[Jessep76]

If Ron won the election who would be his VP? Hopefully not his son.

[ax1]

If Ron won the election who would be his VP? Hopefully not his son.

I think Bob Barr is someone to look into for his VP and would potentially be legitimate, although I have to look into it more.

[carpee]

I completely agree! if Obama gets another term in I'll be gone from this country for good by the end of his 2nd term. By then this country will have "crossed the threshold" into a socialist state and will likely never return to natural rights philosophy, which is what this country was founded upon via the constitution. Everything that makes this country great will disappear into the past if we keep moving in this direction. Perhaps I'll get lucky and another country will embrace our constitution in it's original purpose and form when all of this goes down.

I'm goin with bro.

The scary part is it's not just Obama, it's a whole slew of them that want to 'fundamentally transform' our country into a socialistic state.

[AE14]

I'm goin with bro.

The scary part is it's not just Obama, it's a whole slew of them that want to 'fundamentally transform' our country into a socialistic state.

I hate to disagree, but I do not see the socialist thing at all. In fact, I see quite the opposite. TO me, the Obama admin, is an extension of the previous 8 years, more like Bush III

[ax1]

I hate to disagree, but I do not see the socialist thing at all. In fact, I see quite the opposite. TO me, the Obama admin, is an extension of the previous 8 years, more like Bush III

Everybody is just going by the marketing instead of the policies...I agree with AE14, Obama is not socialist in any way, Obama= Bush's 3rd term. Look at what they do, not what they say.

[carpee]

Perhaps I misused socialism, which is my own ignorance.

My point is to agree with what he said about not only this administration, but most in power these days. Everyone wants a globally connected whatever, one world currency, one world gov't.
That is a truly scary road to be traveling down.

[Jessep76]

I hate to disagree, but I do not see the socialist thing at all. In fact, I see quite the opposite. TO me, the Obama admin, is an extension of the previous 8 years, more like Bush III

O kept almost everyone on staff from W's team. He grants the republicans everything they ask for (up until this last weekend). I'm not even sure he's a democrat.

[ax1]

I'm not even sure he's a democrat.

He is corporatist.

[ax1]

So Donald Trump might run as an independent should they chooses the "wrong" GOP to run...I know Trump is meeting up with Perry tonight for whatever reason.