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  1. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Obama is socialist as well as most democrats for that matter. All I have to say study history and look for success in communism and socialism. You might be searching for a while! It doesnt work but is still easy to understand why many congressman and presidents favor it- it further benefits those in government power while destroying the rest of the country! Its a perfect fit for greed and power. Also, I'd also like to point out that both Hitler and Stalin took this very same approach of "giving the power to the federal government". They were both crazy, power hungry, and ultimately became known as the world's greatest mass murderers in the name of socialism. Keep that in mind as u scream "hail Obama!" All I'm saying is that if Obama and the democrats take our country down this path, well, it's a path that I will not follow them into. And surely, there are at least a few million that agree with me who are mainly the educated natural rights individuals. And also, if the previous cabinet is to blame for whatever it is u r saying, then that must also mean that the cabinet previous to George W. is to blame for the credit crisis since it was Clinton's office that gave poor credit holders the right to move up a class via borrowing bank money. Nevermind those in that class were there not because of the rich oppressing the poor but rather because of their irresponsibility with finances. Just study a bit. It's all available for everyone to learn about...
    Having lived through a lot more of "it" than you have, this studying you speak of is not necessary. You keep your ideas and the BS you've been fed and I'll keep mine.

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    Then maybe you should leave now, now you're upset because he isn't doing what you want. We spent 8 years being bamboozeld,led into BS wars that we're still paying dearly for, having a bunch of personal freedoms taken away with the BS "Patriot Act", Please
    And Obama extended the patriot act and got us involved in another war not authorized by congress, Libya. Little did his supporters know they were voting for 4 more years of bush policy.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    And Obama extended the patriot act and got us involved in another war not authorized by congress, Libya. Little did his supporters know they were voting for 4 more years of bush policy.
    Going to war with an executive order is unprecedented in American Politics, not even Bush pulled that one off although he helped solidify the stepping stone of having an Executive Dictatorship, and now we have our Super Congress that is a House Dictatorship.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Going to war with an executive order is unprecedented in American Politics, not even Bush pulled that one off although he helped solidify the stepping stone of having an Executive Dictatorship, and now we have our Super Congress that is a House Dictatorship.
    Agreed. Regardless which office or party is at fault, it is clear that our government as a whole is moving towards more federal control and less state and local control. This is socialism at the heart - central power overwhleming the rest. I dont mean to piss u guys off. Its silly that u'd let ur political stance cause u to hate or fight others. At least I have historical reasons why I think the way I do about it. And I hope it secretly encourages others to research on their own. Stop embracing momma's view for once. And also, I appreciate ur input btw on things that I could be wrong about. The reason I suggested that democrats are for socialist movements and repubs r not is simply because the GOP has candidates that are promoting the exact opposite of socialist movements such as returning government power back to states as well as getting hands off on the things that states and corporations can do on their own such as taxes and regulatory agencies...the Federal Government was injtially created to be a tool OF THE STATES. After the 17th amendment, the states became a tool of the federal government further reducing our natural rights and pushing to more central control which is nit a democratic state. Anyways, to each his own. Happy voting!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    And Obama extended the patriot act and got us involved in another war not authorized by congress, Libya. Little did his supporters know they were voting for 4 more years of bush policy.
    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Going to war with an executive order is unprecedented in American Politics, not even Bush pulled that one off although he helped solidify the stepping stone of having an Executive Dictatorship, and now we have our Super Congress that is a House Dictatorship.
    they have become one in the same. The last 2 administrations are no longer divided by party.

    That is why it continually cracks me up how many people call our current administration socialist. Its laughable

  6. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Agreed. Regardless which office or party is at fault, it is clear that our government as a whole is moving towards more federal control and less state and local control. This is socialism at the heart - central power overwhleming the rest. I dont mean to piss u guys off. Its silly that u'd let ur political stance cause u to hate or fight others. At least I have historical reasons why I think the way I do about it. And I hope it secretly encourages others to research on their own. Stop embracing momma's view for once. And also, I appreciate ur input btw on things that I could be wrong about. The reason I suggested that democrats are for socialist movements and repubs r not is simply because the GOP has candidates that are promoting the exact opposite of socialist movements such as returning government power back to states as well as getting hands off on the things that states and corporations can do on their own such as taxes and regulatory agencies...the Federal Government was injtially created to be a tool OF THE STATES. After the 17th amendment, the states became a tool of the federal government further reducing our natural rights and pushing to more central control which is nit a democratic state. Anyways, to each his own. Happy voting!
    What socialist movement do the Democrats and Obama really have? I dont see anything. All they have done was hand power and money to the corporations. Its corporatist, there is no socialism especially Obamacare. All I see them doing is supporting the Military industrial complex. They are the same as republicans.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    What socialist movement do the Democrats and Obama really have? I dont see anything. All they have done was hand power and money to the corporations. Its corporatist, there is no socialism especially Obamacare. All I see them doing is supporting the Military industrial complex. They are the same as republicans.
    100% correct. He has been a wolf in sheeps clothing (if that is the proper analogy)

    He has maintained the status quo, no more no less

  8. http://obamaism.blogspot.com/That could be a start. Not to mention the restrictions his admin has placed on corporations. The very fact that communists parties are supporting him should say sometuing about what he stands for. I dunno. I'm starting to think it doesnt matter who is in office and that we're going down tuis road regardless now. I mean socialism sounds really nice on paper but it never works because the leaders and government always fail to remain above reproach. The human factor kicks in and things go bad. Thats been the case for any socialist/communists state. It happened to Rome, Greece, Germany, Russia, Japan and China but fortunately China fed off of american capitalism and indutrialization so they r making money now.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Socialism, Marxism, Communism & ObamaThat could be a start. Not to mention the restrictions his admin has placed on corporations. The very fact that communists parties are supporting him should say sometuing about what he stands for. I dunno. I'm starting to think it doesnt matter who is in office and that we're going down tuis road regardless now. I mean socialism sounds really nice on paper but it never works because the leaders and government always fail to remain above reproach. The human factor kicks in and things go bad. Thats been the case for any socialist/communists state. It happened to Rome, Greece, Germany, Russia, Japan and China but fortunately China fed off of american capitalism and indutrialization so they r making money now.
    Im not going to that website, I dont have time sorry. I wanted specific examples from you, and not who supports or who votes or what they say...I want real policy that passed.

    Restrictions? lol...ooohh lets hand them over trillions in tax dollars so they can keep their million+ bonuses and lets expand the wars over to Libya and possibly Syria so we can continue to finance the Military Industrial Complex, make Halliburton and countless other private overseas contractors billions of dollars more, lets force people to buy health insurance or go to jail, lets make TSA more powerful and help finance billions of dollars in contracts for naked body-scanner companies, lets give the Fed-Reserve more banking powers and even far less authority to oversight what they are doing, who they are sending money to and why, I can go on and on.

    Obama is a corporatist, I still dont see where this socialism is coming from, who is he trying to help? and not who he is going to say who he will help, but who did he in fact help? The corporations.

    I think our difference is that you think he is socialist moving on to communism, Im saying he went straight to fascism (in some ways) from day 1 after he won the election which was marketed socialist by the mainstream media and his teleprompter.

    I know socialism doesnt work, Its nice but your 100% right you cannot trust government to do anything. The fact is that Karl Marx's paper was financed by NYC Wall Street bankers to solidify power over the populations.

    True socialists are Ralph Nader or Bernie Sanders who I respect because they stick up for what they believe in.
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  10. Then let's just agree to respectfully disagree with each other. Although, I really don't think we have a disagreement abount political philosophy, but rather, Obama's agenda. And that's ok really.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Then let's just agree to respectfully disagree with each other. Although, I really don't think we have a disagreement abount political philosophy, but rather, Obama's agenda. And that's ok really.
    Yeah, seems like that, lol
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    You might personally agree with him Ax, but he does not resonate with that base, which was evident with his 9-11 comments and the crowd reaction. He has no shot.
    I think his down fall was not entirely with the criticism of US foreign policy and the roots of 9-11, but also the comment that we do not give palestinians fair treatment. That is such a taboo subject especially (for some reason) if you believe they are in fact being mistreated which he alluded to. Which is ballsy. I'm not completely sure if all his radical ideas would work or not in our current society, but I'd vote for him in a heart beat.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    I think his down fall was not entirely with the criticism of US foreign policy and the roots of 9-11, but also the comment that we do not give palestinians fair treatment. That is such a taboo subject especially (for some reason) if you believe they are in fact being mistreated which he alluded to. Which is ballsy. I'm not completely sure if all his radical ideas would work or not in our current society, but I'd vote for him in a heart beat.
    Why would you think his ideas are radical? His ideas are make the most sense. All the other candidates are pro-war which is extremely radical to me.

    I dont think Im really asking you a question, so you dont have to answer...just my point of view.

    To me, talking economics without addressing ending all the wars and military industrial complex is very radical...all the candidates appear to be guilty of this besides Ron Paul. Ron Paul's idea's are the norm.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Why would you think his ideas are radical? His ideas are make the most sense. All the other candidates are pro-war which is extremely radical to me.

    I dont think Im really asking you a question, so you dont have to answer...just my point of view.

    To me, talking economics without addressing ending all the wars and military industrial complex is very radical...all the candidates appear to be guilty of this besides Ron Paul. Ron Paul's idea's are the norm.
    I over stated when I said all his views. Specifically the ending of both wars would be great. I'm most referring to ending the IRS which sounds great, and has potential in theory, but would be a huge change. Oh also hearing the truth from polititians would be a huge change

  15. Yeah I agree and I'd vote for Ron Paul in a heart beat, too. I personally dont think the war is necessary and since we're only getting a very small amount of our oil from the middle east I dont even think we have good reason to be over there.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Yeah I agree and I'd vote for Ron Paul in a heart beat, too. I personally dont think the war is necessary and since we're only getting a very small amount of our oil from the middle east I dont even think we have good reason to be over there.
    We have enough oil in Dakota and Montana alone to take us completely out of debt and also give Americans enough oil until at least 2040.

    The wars arent about protecting the oil supply for America...the wars are about (partly about, but wont get into it here) profiting off the oil thats exported throught the world.
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  17. Wait wait wait....wait

    I thought we were liberating the afghans from the taliban and looking for bin laden all this time.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Wait wait wait....wait

    I thought we were liberating the afghans from the taliban and looking for bin laden all this time.
    Thats right, and we still are. Sorry, We should find him any day now.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Thats right, and we still are. Sorry, We should find him any day now.
    And soon as Saddam's out of power and we find the WMDs we can bring our troops home from there too. See Ax why are you such a pessimist

  20. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    We have enough oil in Dakota and Montana alone to take us completely out of debt and also give Americans enough oil until at least 2040.

    The wars arent about protecting the oil supply for America...the wars are about (partly about, but wont get into it here) profiting off the oil thats exported throught the world.
    yea I know. When one looks at all the excuses the government has given to be over there one can see something doesn't add up.

    -Taliban isn't a real threat anymore. Sure, they might be able to do a sneak attack on us again but no more or less than they could 10 years ago.

    -W. finished his daddy's work from years ago, so thats not a reason.

    -We only pull maybe 4% of our oil supply from that region anyways. Hmmm...

  21. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    -Taliban isn't a real threat anymore. Sure, they might be able to do a sneak attack on us again but no more or less than they could 10 years ago.

    -W. finished his daddy's work from years ago, so thats not a reason.

    -We only pull maybe 4% of our oil supply from that region anyways. Hmmm...
    Well, it is their land..Im not sticking up for them as a people but Im sure if China was building bases in Texas China would be getting sneak attacks too.
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  22. If Ron won the election who would be his VP? Hopefully not his son.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    If Ron won the election who would be his VP? Hopefully not his son.

    I think Bob Barr is someone to look into for his VP and would potentially be legitimate, although I have to look into it more.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion

    I completely agree! if Obama gets another term in I'll be gone from this country for good by the end of his 2nd term. By then this country will have "crossed the threshold" into a socialist state and will likely never return to natural rights philosophy, which is what this country was founded upon via the constitution. Everything that makes this country great will disappear into the past if we keep moving in this direction. Perhaps I'll get lucky and another country will embrace our constitution in it's original purpose and form when all of this goes down.
    I'm goin with bro.

    The scary part is it's not just Obama, it's a whole slew of them that want to 'fundamentally transform' our country into a socialistic state.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    I'm goin with bro.

    The scary part is it's not just Obama, it's a whole slew of them that want to 'fundamentally transform' our country into a socialistic state.
    I hate to disagree, but I do not see the socialist thing at all. In fact, I see quite the opposite. TO me, the Obama admin, is an extension of the previous 8 years, more like Bush III

  26. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I hate to disagree, but I do not see the socialist thing at all. In fact, I see quite the opposite. TO me, the Obama admin, is an extension of the previous 8 years, more like Bush III
    Everybody is just going by the marketing instead of the policies...I agree with AE14, Obama is not socialist in any way, Obama= Bush's 3rd term. Look at what they do, not what they say.
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  27. Perhaps I misused socialism, which is my own ignorance.

    My point is to agree with what he said about not only this administration, but most in power these days. Everyone wants a globally connected whatever, one world currency, one world gov't.
    That is a truly scary road to be traveling down.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I hate to disagree, but I do not see the socialist thing at all. In fact, I see quite the opposite. TO me, the Obama admin, is an extension of the previous 8 years, more like Bush III
    O kept almost everyone on staff from W's team. He grants the republicans everything they ask for (up until this last weekend). I'm not even sure he's a democrat.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    I'm not even sure he's a democrat.
    He is corporatist.
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  30. So Donald Trump might run as an independent should they chooses the "wrong" GOP to run...I know Trump is meeting up with Perry tonight for whatever reason.
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