Election of 2012....Who ya got?

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  1. Cain is fun to listen to, and comes off as truly interested in fixing the problems, not just saying there are problems (which the rest seem to do). He has no shot, even less than Paul. Right now it will come down to Romney or Perry imo.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Cain is fun to listen to, and comes off as truly interested in fixing the problems, not just saying there are problems (which the rest seem to do). He has no shot, even less than Paul. Right now it will come down to Romney or Perry imo.
    Are you sure you dont wanna say it will come down to Romney, Perry or Obama? Unless you meant just the Repub race of course.

    I gotta say, Bush's re-election was more shocking to me than Buster knocking Tyson.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Are you sure you dont wanna say it will come down to Romney, Perry or Obama? Unless you meant just the Repub race of course.

    I gotta say, Bush's re-election was more shocking to me than Buster knocking Tyson.
    I meant the repub side.

    I was not overly stunned, but greatly disappointed

  4. Due to race, I will be surprised if Obama loses. It frustrates me that the left doesn't educate themselves on issues and vote on feelings. Even though Obama is the worst president in US history, most Blacks will still vote for him.

  5. the worst in history? Seems you are using a small sample size to gauge you evidence. Everyone has an opinion I suppose.

    I agree he has not been as many thought, but worst ever is foolish. As are the generalizations in your statement
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    the worst in history? Seems you are using a small sample size to gauge you evidence. Everyone has an opinion I suppose.

    I agree he has not been as many thought, but worst ever is foolish. As are the generalizations in your statement
    At least he has some time left in his term...or 2nd term to try to really top the charts.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    the worst in history? Seems you are using a small sample size to gauge you evidence. Everyone has an opinion I suppose.

    I agree he has not been as many thought, but worst ever is foolish. As are the generalizations in your statement
    According to the '08 exit polls my "generalizations" aren't foolish. 96% of Black voters voted for Obama. If it had been only 85%, then I would say race wasn't an issue.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    According to the '08 exit polls my "generalizations" aren't foolish. 96% of Black voters voted for Obama. If it had been only 85%, then I would say race wasn't an issue.
    The black people in my gym dont even consider Obama black. I asked them how they felt after Obama won and they "didnt care because he not even black." It wasnt a black victory to them in any way.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    According to the '08 exit polls my "generalizations" aren't foolish. 96% of Black voters voted for Obama. If it had been only 85%, then I would say race wasn't an issue.
    Its actually not that dramatic...in 2008 only 64% of blacks were registered to vote, so 36% didnt even care to register to vote for Obama....Doing math on top of my head Obama only got a 60% turnout of blacks supporting him if your 95% number is actually correct. You dont have to vote to show you disprove of him.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Its actually not that dramatic...in 2008 only 64% of blacks were registered to vote, so 36% didnt even care to register to vote for Obama....Doing math on top of my head Obama only got a 60% turnout of blacks supporting him if your 95% number is actually correct. You dont have to vote to show you disprove of him.
    True but, more Black voters registered in '08 vs '04. In '04 Kerry only had something like 87% of the Black vote. I'm just saying that if the same 96% vote again for Obama, they're voting according to race. If there were only white candidates again less would turn out- like in '04 and previous years. - I think Obama will win again.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    True but, more Black voters registered in '08 vs '04. In '04 Kerry only had something like 87% of the Black vote. I'm just saying that if the same 96% vote again for Obama, they're voting according to race. If there were only white candidates again less would turn out- like in '04 and previous years. - I think Obama will win again.
    I dunno...Ive heard of black people coming out and turning against Obama, and that he has not supported the black communities...so possible he may have lost support over the last couple years.

    I do think Obama has a chance at pulling this off, but not because of the black vote, but the fact his he rose 1+Billion dollars for the election already. Money and marketing power buys elections most of the time.
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  12. I almost wish Donald Trump was running just for more entertainment value out of these debates.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I almost wish Donald Trump was running just for more entertainment value out of these debates.
    i love watching him and Cain.

    they have a practical business approach, instead of a political bull**** approach.

  14. At this point the republicans have a "clown car" going on. Ron Paul makes the most sense and gets the least out of it except when others are parroting things that he has said in the past.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    i love watching him and Cain.

    they have a practical business approach, instead of a political bull**** approach.
    yeah I wouldn't mind Cain and Perry together as P and VP. Things would start shaping up between those two fellas IMO.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    At this point the republicans have a "clown car" going on. Ron Paul makes the most sense and gets the least out of it except when others are parroting things that he has said in the past.
    He looks like he dominated everybody again...Id be interested in seeing if he did as well on the CNN poll as he did the NBC poll last.
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  17. Paul dominated last night? He looked like an angry, feeble old man having a tantrum.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    At this point the republicans have a "clown car" going on. Ron Paul makes the most sense and gets the least out of it except when others are parroting things that he has said in the past.
    you know I hate agreeing with you, but yet again I do. I want to beat Perry with a bat, wish Bachman would stop talking entirely, and Santorum is just too Mr Rodgers to go anywhere.

    Its a tossup as to who is more electible in the general election, romney or paul. Paul from a concept point as well as consistency point, but he has the negatives of old white man plus career politician. And a lot of what he says frightens people partially because they don't understand. Disband FEMA? yep, its unconstitutional. Does that mean the federal government will ignore a state in crisis? No, block grants of $ to a state to deal with a crisis doesn't require a vast federal department who tells the state how to handle its own crisis.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Paul dominated last night? He looked like an angry, feeble old man having a tantrum.
    I dont pay attention to their behaviors nor do I look for someone who presents themselves as "presidential" I just make myself tone def and blind and listen to their message. As far as Im concerned, unless I missed something Ron Paul is the only anti-war candidate.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    you know I hate agreeing with you, but yet again I do. I want to beat Perry with a bat, wish Bachman would stop talking entirely, and Santorum is just too Mr Rodgers to go anywhere.

    Its a tossup as to who is more electible in the general election, romney or paul. Paul from a concept point as well as consistency point, but he has the negatives of old white man plus career politician. And a lot of what he says frightens people partially because they don't understand. Disband FEMA? yep, its unconstitutional. Does that mean the federal government will ignore a state in crisis? No, block grants of $ to a state to deal with a crisis doesn't require a vast federal department who tells the state how to handle its own crisis.
    We talked about this before how the media promotes Pecky and Ramknee and ignores the other candidates. Seems like they took this to another level.

    I looked for CNN's online poll to see what viewers thought won the debate and to see if Ron Paul dominated again, and the online poll is....

    "Quick vote"
    "Did Rick Perry's debate performance solidify his front-runner status for the GOP presidential nomination?"

    Well, good news is 77% said no (20,000 votes to 6,000)
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  21. You might personally agree with him Ax, but he does not resonate with that base, which was evident with his 9-11 comments and the crowd reaction. He has no shot.

    Perry looked silly up there, as did many others. Although I do not care for Newt, he carried himself quite well.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    You might personally agree with him Ax, but he does not resonate with that base, which was evident with his 9-11 comments and the crowd reaction. He has no shot.

    Perry looked silly up there, as did many others. Although I do not care for Newt, he carried himself quite well.
    Im certainly hoping he is not trying to resonate with that base (edit: although Id hope some day that base goes through drastic changes.) The base Im looking after is a growing process. I think more people support his 9/11 comments that what the people in the audience tried to show, but I understand alot of people have problems when they are being told the contrary to what they have been fed over and over again the past decade.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Im certainly hoping he is not trying to resonate with that base (edit: although Id hope some day that base goes through drastic changes.) The base Im looking after is a growing process. I think more people support his 9/11 comments that what the people in the audience tried to show, but I understand alot of people have problems when they are being told the contrary to what they have been fed over and over again the past decade.
    Just to clarify what I meant...Im certainly hoping Ron Paul sticks to his ethical standards instead of catering and trying to resonate with the base just to try to win votes, support and the election. The same way Obama catered to liberals with his socialist views, and anti-war views only then to be a straight corporatist/fascist pro-war president.
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  24. By the time the base is on board with him, he will be long gone

  25. To me, other than Romney (and he's a fraud) I don't expect any of these candidates to be around when the fun really gets going. Someone will need to "rise up" from obscurity to make this interesting

  26. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    the worst in history? Seems you are using a small sample size to gauge you evidence. Everyone has an opinion I suppose.

    I agree he has not been as many thought, but worst ever is foolish. As are the generalizations in your statement
    Well, the most inexperienced and most irresponsible. Only time will tell if the consequences for these things will merit him to be "the worst ever". Wilson is up there on my crap list because he initiated the socialist movement with the 17th amendment. Panzy president...not look what we've got to deal with.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    Due to race, I will be surprised if Obama loses. It frustrates me that the left doesn't educate themselves on issues and vote on feelings. Even though Obama is the worst president in US history, most Blacks will still vote for him.
    I completely agree! if Obama gets another term in I'll be gone from this country for good by the end of his 2nd term. By then this country will have "crossed the threshold" into a socialist state and will likely never return to natural rights philosophy, which is what this country was founded upon via the constitution. Everything that makes this country great will disappear into the past if we keep moving in this direction. Perhaps I'll get lucky and another country will embrace our constitution in it's original purpose and form when all of this goes down.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    I completely agree! if Obama gets another term in I'll be gone from this country for good by the end of his 2nd term. By then this country will have "crossed the threshold" into a socialist state and will likely never return to natural rights philosophy, which is what this country was founded upon via the constitution. Everything that makes this country great will disappear into the past if we keep moving in this direction. Perhaps I'll get lucky and another country will embrace our constitution in it's original purpose and form when all of this goes down.
    Then maybe you should leave now, now you're upset because he isn't doing what you want. We spent 8 years being bamboozeld,led into BS wars that we're still paying dearly for, having a bunch of personal freedoms taken away with the BS "Patriot Act", Please

  29. Obama is socialist as well as most democrats for that matter. All I have to say study history and look for success in communism and socialism. You might be searching for a while! It doesnt work but is still easy to understand why many congressman and presidents favor it- it further benefits those in government power while destroying the rest of the country! Its a perfect fit for greed and power. Also, I'd also like to point out that both Hitler and Stalin took this very same approach of "giving the power to the federal government". They were both crazy, power hungry, and ultimately became known as the world's greatest mass murderers in the name of socialism. Keep that in mind as u scream "hail Obama!" All I'm saying is that if Obama and the democrats take our country down this path, well, it's a path that I will not follow them into. And surely, there are at least a few million that agree with me who are mainly the educated natural rights individuals. And also, if the previous cabinet is to blame for whatever it is u r saying, then that must also mean that the cabinet previous to George W. is to blame for the credit crisis since it was Clinton's office that gave poor credit holders the right to move up a class via borrowing bank money. Nevermind those in that class were there not because of the rich oppressing the poor but rather because of their irresponsibility with finances. Just study a bit. It's all available for everyone to learn about...

  30. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Obama is socialist as well as most democrats for that matter. All I have to say study history and look for success in communism and socialism. You might be searching for a while! It doesnt work but is still easy to understand why many congressman and presidents favor it- it further benefits those in government power while destroying the rest of the country! Its a perfect fit for greed and power. Also, I'd also like to point out that both Hitler and Stalin took this very same approach of "giving the power to the federal government". They were both crazy, power hungry, and ultimately became known as the world's greatest mass murderers in the name of socialism. Keep that in mind as u scream "hail Obama!" All I'm saying is that if Obama and the democrats take our country down this path, well, it's a path that I will not follow them into. And surely, there are at least a few million that agree with me who are mainly the educated natural rights individuals. And also, if the previous cabinet is to blame for whatever it is u r saying, then that must also mean that the cabinet previous to George W. is to blame for the credit crisis since it was Clinton's office that gave poor credit holders the right to move up a class via borrowing bank money. Nevermind those in that class were there not because of the rich oppressing the poor but rather because of their irresponsibility with finances. Just study a bit. It's all available for everyone to learn about...
    I dont think Obama is a socialist, there is no evidence of that although he was marketed that way. He is a straight corporatist.

    I do see your references to handing over more power to the govermnet...his extension of the patriot act, letting TSA turn the country into a police state, expansion of FEMA concentration camps (H.R. 645,) his executive orders and expanded wars evidence this.

    I think where you are really wrong is that you are viewing this as a democrat vs. republican approach. There is very little difference between the two, they are basically the same party. We can take China for example, and take their government and create China red and China blue, let people vote and end up with the same people in power for example. Its all a continuation of Dems fixing Repubs and Repubs fixing Dems, they take turns fixing the issues of this country, but instead continuing it.

    You can say that Obama is Bush's 3rd term, and if Perry, Cain, Romeny win they will be Bush's 4th term. Hillary Clinton can win it 5 years from now and it will be Bush's 5th term.

    Its an endless hijack of this current 1 party "Duopoly" political system, you will not see change and these politicians (most of them) all work for the banks, corporations and other private interests, the rest of us are just serfs.
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