Election of 2012....Who ya got?

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  1. As much as I like Ron Paul he truly has no chance. I'll probably still vote for him as he is closest to what I think we need (though I don't support all his positions), but he will never capture the Republican nomination and without that he can't win. Everyone knows this (including him).


  2. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    As much as I like Ron Paul he truly has no chance. I'll probably still vote for him as he is closest to what I think we need (though I don't support all his positions), but he will never capture the Republican nomination and without that he can't win. Everyone knows this (including him).
    I think if he doesnt get elected by the republicans that he may then use his momentum to run as a 3rd party candidate, which I hope so or Im simply not voting for anybody.

    I think he has a chance, its different this time around, although his chance is small.
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  3. Romney or Perry pleeeeeeeeeease !!!!!!! I need to make some money ! Im goin broke paying for welfare recipients.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ken22 View Post
    Romney or Perry pleeeeeeeeeease !!!!!!! I need to make some money ! Im goin broke paying for welfare recipients.
    Do you really think they are going to end welfare? Or if they end it you pay less taxes?
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  5. I was being a little synical. But 1 I think either one of these canidates can spur economical growth better than any other and most definately better than current admin. 2 i understand we have to have welfare to some extent. id rather give a bumb $10 than have him stealing my ****, but reform is due. our system pays you more not to work than aiding in poverty for people trying to work but still falling. This would reflect the phrase " A hand up rather than a hand out" which our current system works just the opposite. Taxes ? Flat percentage, income or sales, is the only fair way to tax regardless of where it goes.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by ken22
    I was being a little synical. But 1 I think either one of these canidates can spur economical growth better than any other and most definately better than current admin. 2 i understand we have to have welfare to some extent. id rather give a bumb $10 than have him stealing my ****, but reform is due. our system pays you more not to work than aiding in poverty for people trying to work but still falling. This would reflect the phrase " A hand up rather than a hand out" which our current system works just the opposite. Taxes ? Flat percentage, income or sales, is the only fair way to tax regardless of where it goes.
    There will be no difference if either of those 2 get it, except Perry is a religious nut. Good luck with that.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ken22 View Post
    I was being a little synical. But 1 I think either one of these canidates can spur economical growth better than any other and most definately better than current admin. 2 i understand we have to have welfare to some extent. id rather give a bumb $10 than have him stealing my ****, but reform is due. our system pays you more not to work than aiding in poverty for people trying to work but still falling. This would reflect the phrase " A hand up rather than a hand out" which our current system works just the opposite. Taxes ? Flat percentage, income or sales, is the only fair way to tax regardless of where it goes.
    When it comes to policy there is no difference whatsover between Obama and Perry. Both will be funded by the same people. Both will have all the wars....both say one thing and do another, both will obey to the UN, both will yo-yo the economy, both will futher fuel the police state in America, I can go on and on. Why do I say so? Well there is no difference between George Bush and Barrack Obama, their policies of war and corporatism are all the same.

    There is no such thing as a fair tax. Income tax is unconstitutional and is a way to incorporate modern day slavery in America. A man who doesnt own his own labor is a slave. To ask for a fair income tax is like saying I want to be fairly treated as a slave. Each and every one of us are 25-50% slaves in this country. You can say the immigrants working off the books are the true free people in a weird way.
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  8. Cannot get behind any of the crop of candidates out there right now,but I don`t think this country can survive another 4 years of Obama.This guy took a really bad situation and made it much worse.He really needs to drop his "Go Green" agenda.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    Cannot get behind any of the crop of candidates out there right now,but I don`t think this country can survive another 4 years of Obama.This guy took a really bad situation and made it much worse.He really needs to drop his "Go Green" agenda.
    If McCain was president the same thing would have happened. This is just a continuous problem, reaction, solution. Republicans make people go crazy, so they think Democrats will make things better. Democrats make people go crazy, so now back to the republicans. No difference. Barry Soetoro aka Obama has little influence on economic policy. If you want to know who is making economic policy follow the money. The money trail leads to the bankers, corporations, Bildeberger group, Counsel on Foreign Relations, Ti-lateral commission, etc....the same people that supported Obama, supported Bush, and will support the next president who ever that is.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    If McCain was president the same thing would have happened. This is just a continuous problem, reaction, solution. Republicans make people go crazy, so they think Democrats will make things better. Democrats make people go crazy, so now back to the republicans. No difference. Barry Soetoro aka Obama has little influence on economic policy. If you want to know who is making economic policy follow the money. The money trail leads to the bankers, corporations, Bildeberger group, Counsel on Foreign Relations, Ti-lateral commission, etc....the same people that supported Obama, supported Bush, and will support the next president who ever that is.
    Agreed.In the words of George Carlin,forget about the politicians,they are there to give us the illusion that we have a choice.We don`t.The Congress,Senate,and Presidency were bought by the true owners of this Country a long time ago,and what the true owners want is more for them and less for us.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I think if he doesnt get elected by the republicans that he may then use his momentum to run as a 3rd party candidate, which I hope so or Im simply not voting for anybody.

    I think he has a chance, its different this time around, although his chance is small.
    I really wish you were right, I just don't see it in the least bit. He probably will run as a 3rd party candidate if he doesn't get the Republican nomination. I think he has no chance of getting the Republican nod and as a 3rd party candidate he won't carry even a single state.

    I wish this wasn't the case, but I would bet insane amounts of money on Ron Paul not getting the Republican nod and then I would turn around and bet insane amounts of money on him not carrying a state if he goes third party.

    I'll probably vote for him either way, but honestly I don't think anything is "different" this time around in regards to a libertarian.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post

    I'll probably vote for him either way, but honestly I don't think anything is "different" this time around in regards to a libertarian.
    Maybe...but then again there is a big tea party movement that was started by him that is gaining momentum. Unfortunately it was quickly hijacked by Sarah Palin and CNN had her on TV making a speach portraying her as head of the movement which is a farce and the movement is only a hijack for those looking for political gain. Now Michelle Bracknomandsland hijacked it, and we have Perry and also Newt Gingrich both acting like Ron Paul to pick up anything Ron Paul was for but only to lie and twist things around.

    A vote is a vote...its all about losing over and over again until we win...even if you never win.
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  13. Ron Paul started the Tea Party? I believe it was Glenn Beck

  14. Quote Originally Posted by ken22 View Post
    Ron Paul started the Tea Party? I believe it was Glenn Beck
    Glenn Beck is phoney trader, he did not start anything. He is just a CIA operative, just like Chris Mathews and Anderson Cooper both are. All Glenn was trying to do is copy Alex Jones and twist and distort everything. He had a whole crew following Alex Jones taking notes on everything every day and he would touch on similar issues only to deceive the mainstream audience.
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  15. Dont get me wrong, I think Beck is a joke, but we need to remove the tinfoil hats.&; Alex Jones is not someone to be trusted.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Dont get me wrong, I think Beck is a joke, but we need to remove the tinfoil hats.&; Alex Jones is not someone to be trusted.
    I dont trust anyone, and around the clock skepticism is cool, but Ive been listening to Alex Jones for several years now and he has been on the mark with most of the stuff he speaks about.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Glenn Beck is phoney trader, he did not start anything. He is just a CIA operative, just like Chris Mathews and Anderson Cooper both are. All Glenn was trying to do is copy Alex Jones and twist and distort everything. He had a whole crew following Alex Jones taking notes on everything every day and he would touch on similar issues only to deceive the mainstream audience.
    You Are A Quack!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ken22 View Post
    You Are A Quack!
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  19. Well played good sir

  20. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Well played good sir
    Amen..lol

    So I was looking into what Herman Cain was about, he almost seemed like an outsider. So far I found out that he supported the bailouts, and that he was chairman of the (private) Federal Reserve bank branch in Kansas City which is something that deeply concerns me about this candidate. I however dont believe he has any chance anyways thought Id point this out.
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  21. Cain is fun to listen to, and comes off as truly interested in fixing the problems, not just saying there are problems (which the rest seem to do). He has no shot, even less than Paul. Right now it will come down to Romney or Perry imo.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Cain is fun to listen to, and comes off as truly interested in fixing the problems, not just saying there are problems (which the rest seem to do). He has no shot, even less than Paul. Right now it will come down to Romney or Perry imo.
    Are you sure you dont wanna say it will come down to Romney, Perry or Obama? Unless you meant just the Repub race of course.

    I gotta say, Bush's re-election was more shocking to me than Buster knocking Tyson.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Are you sure you dont wanna say it will come down to Romney, Perry or Obama? Unless you meant just the Repub race of course.

    I gotta say, Bush's re-election was more shocking to me than Buster knocking Tyson.
    I meant the repub side.

    I was not overly stunned, but greatly disappointed

  24. Due to race, I will be surprised if Obama loses. It frustrates me that the left doesn't educate themselves on issues and vote on feelings. Even though Obama is the worst president in US history, most Blacks will still vote for him.

  25. the worst in history? Seems you are using a small sample size to gauge you evidence. Everyone has an opinion I suppose.

    I agree he has not been as many thought, but worst ever is foolish. As are the generalizations in your statement
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