Election of 2012....Who ya got?
- 08-16-2011, 01:30 PM
- 08-16-2011, 01:39 PM
So your argument is that teachers have it easy for the money they get paid and for the hours to work and then you think people wouldn't want that? Ok, keep dreaming. Must be easy to do when you have time for 28,000 posts yet claim to know so much about hard work.
You can get the last word as usual, it won't change the fact that you're talking a lot about a job you've never done. Then again I don't go around claiming to know everything about everyone else's job, but I guess that's just something a guy with your kind of time is free to do. I'm not an expert on farming just because I've passed a wheat field, but apparently you're an expert on teaching because you sat in a classroom twenty five years ago.
08-16-2011, 01:43 PM
08-16-2011, 02:01 PM
08-16-2011, 02:15 PM
08-16-2011, 02:36 PM
Comically as an agnostic, I have a problem with how people have chosen to use "freedom of religion" in thje constitution. When the constitution was signed, most of the states had their official religion and that was perfectly ok. That was put in the constitution to avoid having the federal government force a religion down everyones throats. But the states were still free to do as they wished, and if you didn't like your state's official religion, or how it handled it (school prayer, etc) you were free to move to another state.
08-16-2011, 02:37 PM
I'm not gonna make it complicated or get into detail, imma' put it this way, ANYBODY BUT OBAMA WOULD BE GREAAAAT.
Expose yourself to your deepest fear; after that, fear has no power, and the fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes. You are free.
08-16-2011, 02:38 PM
08-16-2011, 02:41 PM
Does anyone know when Ron Paul got leprosy? He was 2nd in the straw poll, only 200 votes behind the leader (less than 5% behind) and yet he's being 100% ignored by all news agencies...
08-16-2011, 06:11 PM
08-16-2011, 06:16 PM
I made far more money in the private sector, and at 5pm on friday went home and was thrilled. On Fridays now, all I wanna do is sleep. I am at work by 6:45am and on many days dont leave till after 4pm.
Are there those that take advantage? of course, but the same can be said of the private sector.
08-16-2011, 06:18 PM
08-16-2011, 06:47 PM
The problem is that he's a libertarian, and has been consistent his whole career. Nobody in the media likes that.Originally Posted by AE14
08-16-2011, 06:53 PM
The problem isn't individual teachers, its the special interest group of the teachers union as a whole. There are great individual teachers, many of whom deserve making more than they do. But there is a majority of mediocre teachers, and a significant portion that are a total drain on the system. Sadly of course, the worst tend to end up on the inner city schools, making the problems there worse.Originally Posted by AE14
Washington DC wanted to during raise negotiations offer teachers a choice. Accept the 4% raise, or only take a 1% raise but institute a merit based bonus system that could allow teachers to make as much as twice their current pay based on improvement in average student performance. The union officials disallowed it from even being brought to a vote
08-16-2011, 06:59 PM
08-16-2011, 07:00 PM
You do understand the major drawbacks for merit based pay and why it has never worked in education right?Originally Posted by EasyEJL
08-16-2011, 08:00 PM
I'd like to know when and where it was tried, as both have bearing. And I would not in the slightest put it past the union to purposefully sabotage it. But for the union to disallow the teachers to even vote on it shows the culture and character of the union officials.Originally Posted by AE14
08-16-2011, 08:02 PM
Interesting...hmmmmm, um...I forgot what I was going to say?!?
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08-16-2011, 08:37 PM
08-16-2011, 08:41 PM
08-16-2011, 08:42 PM
Think of it as in the college setting if it helps. A lot of people in college don't go to class, don't study, and end up failing. A lot of people show up, study, and pass easily. The idea that we should pay the teacher/professor based on how the kids do on some test just doesn't work when you consider all the factors. Crap teachers with great kids would show progress and great teachers with crap kids might not even if they are doing a great job.
08-16-2011, 08:45 PM
08-16-2011, 08:46 PM
08-16-2011, 08:55 PM
You don't test vs generic averages, you test vs that same schools prior year performance. If that school's average for 5th graders was 20% reading at grade level, and in 6th grade you bring that up to 25%, that's a great improvement. If that school had 85% at grade level and you brought it to 90 that's great improvement. Any individual schools demographics don't change much year to year, so your argument is invalid. Saying "there's no good way to measure it" mostly means its primarily snake oil sales.Originally Posted by seccsi
08-16-2011, 08:55 PM
I don't know what that means. Public education has a lot of problems, but it's the only hope for a lot of kids. Ironically the right wants every kid to be born, but then doesn't give a crap what happens to them after that. I call them pro-birth. They want kids to be born, but after they are here **** em. Not on my tax dollar they say.
It's public educations job to try and do the job a lot of parents refuse to do. It's also most of those kids only chances. It is by no means perfect and I fully support changes that make sense. It isn't going anywhere because it isn't like a majority of Americans want to see education taken away. I would love to see a lot of its problems start to become fixed, and I could say that about anything to do with the government. As small government as I am I still believe in its LIMITED role.
Are you an ACist Ax? I used to visit a board with a lot of ACists and even though I disagreed with a lot of them, it was very enlightening discussion.
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