Election of 2012....Who ya got?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Some do sure, but anyone can make it to the 100k a year level and live well.
    this is just not true. not everyone has the same opportunities as others. Not all circumstances are the same.

    Additionally, the value of degrees has changed. Currently, a bachelors degree is the equivalent to a HS degree of 20 years ago.

    Your oversimplification does not address the realities that are being faced.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    this is just not true. not everyone has the same opportunities as others. Not all circumstances are the same.

    Additionally, the value of degrees has changed. Currently, a bachelors degree is the equivalent to a HS degree of 20 years ago.

    Your oversimplification does not address the realities that are being faced.
    And attempting to hold the government and corporations responsible for a population that makes more effort to watch tv than improve skills its no different
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    And attempting to hold the government and corporations responsible for a population that makes more effort to watch tv than improve skills its no different
    These are obvious issues I agree with you on completely, but its just a part of a complex equation that there are no single answers too. The answers are found on more of a individual bases than the country as a whole.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    And attempting to hold the government and corporations responsible for a population that makes more effort to watch tv than improve skills its no different
    again....an enormous generalization. Are there those who fall into your assumption? Of course, but by and large that does not seem to be an accurate depiction at all

    I dont know what is going on today E, typically I am pretty much with you on these issues, but we are having a rough generalization day today
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  5. I'm extra grumpy because I'm traveling for work. The things you have to do to make that $
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Looks like the new hot candidate is putting himself in hot water. Herman Cain has come out and stated (paraphrasing here) "if you do not have a good job, or are not rich, dont blame the rich or the government, blame yourself."

    Wonder how this will effect his numbers
    Didn't he say that to the occupiers? Don't be made at wall street, be mad at yourself for not being rich (sounded like)

  7. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Is the government or corporations stopping people from educating themselves or spending more time on their children's education? No, and the value of unskilled uneducated labor drops each year by supply vs demand.

    Again look at unemployment by education level.
    Stopping them no, certainly not. I got all my college education from grants, but that was 10 years ago. Tuition keeps getting more expensive and last I checked they were talking about cutting grants if they haven't already. Community colleges were the way to go when I was in school to save on fee's for your first 2 years and then only have to go into half the debt for the State or University college. Community colleges are twice what they cost from 10 years ago. Unemployment on the other hand is higher also. So its safe to say its not easy to get an education for some.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Didn't he say that to the occupiers? Don't be made at wall street, be mad at yourself for not being rich (sounded like)
    Cain was Chairman of the Federal Reserve branch in Kansas (but they market him a pizza guy.) He will say whatever propaganda it takes to cool off and invalidate any enemies of his corporate/banking interests.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Stopping them no, certainly not. I got all my college education from grants, but that was 10 years ago. Tuition keeps getting more expensive and last I checked they were talking about cutting grants if they haven't already. Community colleges were the way to go when I was in school to save on fee's for your first 2 years and then only have to go into half the debt for the State or University college. Community colleges are twice what they cost from 10 years ago. Unemployment on the other hand is higher also. So its safe to say its not easy to get an education for some.
    exactly, its not easier now by any stretch. Add in the value of a bachelors in todays job world (which is minimal) and you realize how difficult it is.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Looks like the new hot candidate is putting himself in hot water. Herman Cain has come out and stated (paraphrasing here) "if you do not have a good job, or are not rich, dont blame the rich or the government, blame yourself."

    Wonder how this will effect his numbers
    With the folks he is trying to attract to nominate him, that might get more cheers than the execution of 200+ people.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    exactly, its not easier now by any stretch. Add in the value of a bachelors in todays job world (which is minimal) and you realize how difficult it is.
    Better off getting a 2 year certification or an associates degrees than paying for a bachelor's.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    At the same time, he's right
    A year ago I would have agreed with you,but this is a different America than the one I grew up in.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Yes...anyone may have a chance, and I also agree you can make far less than that and live well.

    That chance though is only limited and there are only a small % of jobs available that even make 100k. According to the 2009 census 9.7% of Americans make 100k and up. I know there are far more than that that qualify for the same type's of jobs but are in a impossible situation of limited work.

    I feel that if everybody gets a master education, and is equally as competitive, hard working and smart..still only 9.7% will make 100k.

    This is what they told people in China that if they get an high education they will do good. With the increase and overabundance of college graduates in China many and more in the future are being left out with no real job opportunities because you can only supply a certain amount of jobs.

    In any monetary system most have to be poor and there is no choice. The only solution to this is to ban the monetary system and to move on to a resource based economy.
    haha SOCIALIST!! jk
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  14. Hey Everyone,

    Just got my OWN internet connection so no more slow internet for me. Watched the Sept. 22 debates. My thoughts:

    Bachman - She's crazy. She's tanking. She's a woman. Not happening. I don't know anybody that likes her. I'd even like to point out that her campaign slogan is "The unifying choice that will beat Obama" and shes pushing abortion bills in the house to try to gain votes... honestly? no interest in the problems of the nation Michelle?

    Gary Johnson - First, he's either gay or a former junkie. Somethings wrong with that guy. I kinda like him, but the GOP doesn't. He's pro too much for the far right and religious to handle.

    Rick Perry - NO...oh GOD no!

    Herman Cain - Um he's black. Is 2012 the year when Americans will choose between two black guys as President? I doubt he will win the GOP. He does sound like a used car salesman. He's smart, and I believe Fox will support him for a while to come, but...

    Ron Paul - Funny guy. He seems to have the best nature of the lot. He's too Libertarian though for any serious Republican consideration. And he kind of intimidates me, like he wants anarchy or something. I do believe and have faith in what he says, but it's still intimidating. And I don't support libertarian views.

    Rick Santorum - He's a weasel. He used his child's death as a campaign tool, he has this intelligent design thing going on, he's discriminatory. He's very smart, and very capable, but I can't stand the guy.

    Newt Gingrich - I don't think he wants to be Pres. Lol. I just think he's enjoying the attention.

    I'm still getting to know Romney and Huntsman but they both seem pretty decent.
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  15. Your analysis is funny and pretty spot on. I think Newt really wants a shot at VP and would be a good choice for many.

    I actually like Huntsman, he is my top choice of the bunch, but anything less than 2nd in NH for him and he is done.

    It is Romney's to lose imo. He is very smooth, and never seems to get flustered by any attack. If he can get the religious right loons to jump on board, he will beat Obama, especially if unemployment remains an issue
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post

    It is Romney's to lose imo. He is very smooth, and never seems to get flustered by any attack. If he can get the religious right loons to jump on board, he will beat Obama, especially if unemployment remains an issue
    Now there are internal warfare with the christian religion, 1 sect (evangelical?? dont remember) was calling out Romney as saying his sect of Mormonism is a cult.
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  17. Ok, I'll recant to 100k for a couple I just figure if i, as the child of an illiterate blue collar worker who grew up on occasional food stamps, free school lunches and salvation army clothes could break 6 figures without a college degree others can too

  18. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Your analysis is funny and pretty spot on. I think Newt really wants a shot at VP and would be a good choice for many.

    I actually like Huntsman, he is my top choice of the bunch, but anything less than 2nd in NH for him and he is done.

    It is Romney's to lose imo. He is very smooth, and never seems to get flustered by any attack. If he can get the religious right loons to jump on board, he will beat Obama, especially if unemployment remains an issue

    I'll also throw my hat in with Huntsman. He seems to be sane, and that takes him a long way in this race! He makes the most sense and uses the facts to try and win his arguments. I'd be the least scared for this country's future with him in office.

    As for Romney, he a politician. Watch his 2011 CPAC speech. When he could have approached the problems he instead attacked Obama for the entire speech.

    YES WE GET IT OBAMA SUCKS! Can we please hear a plan, an idea, ANYTHING besides hate spewing?

    Also watch his 2011 VFW Convention speech. As a vet I will say that his speech doesn't make any friggin sense. It's horrible, he uses fear to try and persuade his audiences, he talks of spending more on the military when he's talking to veterans! Umm.... hello? Vets aren't interested in military spending, they are interested in veteran's benefits, healthcare, pensions, etc. Thats exactly why there's a Department of Defense and a Department of Veteran's Affairs. Two separate entities.

    How about saying thanks to the vets huh? How about asking how their benefits are working?

    Honestly Election of 2012, who do I have?

    OBAMA FA YA MAMA!

    If it so happens to be Obama v Huntsman or Obama v Paul then I'll vote Republican and watch the show. But that will never happen.
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  19. On al awlaki, this answered most of my concerns. I'd say it probably was legitimate now after the justifications presented

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44833756...war-al-awlaki/

  20. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    On al awlaki, this answered most of my concerns. I'd say it probably was legitimate now after the justifications presented

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44833756...war-al-awlaki/
    Ive been waiting for them to come up with a story like this, lol
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    On al awlaki, this answered most of my concerns. I'd say it probably was legitimate now after the justifications presented

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44833756...war-al-awlaki/
    Interesting video none the less. My Airforce buddy was trying to play it down last weekend saying the attack wasn't soley toward Awlaki, but they got him in the process.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Interesting video none the less. My Airforce buddy was trying to play it down last weekend saying the attack wasn't soley toward Awlaki, but they got him in the process.
    Did you know the Awalki was the Pentagon's guest of honor at a dinner just months after 9-11, at the same time a Homeland Security commission was ivestigating him for his involvement in 9/11? Awalki was known as the spiritual leader of 3 of the 9/11 hijackers as well, nice guest of honor for a Pentagon dinner isnt it?
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by vinnythestick View Post
    Hey Everyone,

    Just got my OWN internet connection so no more slow internet for me. Watched the Sept. 22 debates. My thoughts:

    Bachman - She's crazy. She's tanking. She's a woman. Not happening. I don't know anybody that likes her. I'd even like to point out that her campaign slogan is "The unifying choice that will beat Obama" and shes pushing abortion bills in the house to try to gain votes... honestly? no interest in the problems of the nation Michelle?

    Gary Johnson - First, he's either gay or a former junkie. Somethings wrong with that guy. I kinda like him, but the GOP doesn't. He's pro too much for the far right and religious to handle.

    Rick Perry - NO...oh GOD no!

    Herman Cain - Um he's black. Is 2012 the year when Americans will choose between two black guys as President? I doubt he will win the GOP. He does sound like a used car salesman. He's smart, and I believe Fox will support him for a while to come, but...

    Ron Paul - Funny guy. He seems to have the best nature of the lot. He's too Libertarian though for any serious Republican consideration. And he kind of intimidates me, like he wants anarchy or something. I do believe and have faith in what he says, but it's still intimidating. And I don't support libertarian views.

    Rick Santorum - He's a weasel. He used his child's death as a campaign tool, he has this intelligent design thing going on, he's discriminatory. He's very smart, and very capable, but I can't stand the guy.

    Newt Gingrich - I don't think he wants to be Pres. Lol. I just think he's enjoying the attention.

    I'm still getting to know Romney and Huntsman but they both seem pretty decent.
    which libertarian views do you not support? "not trying to be a dick, genuinely curious"

  24. Quote Originally Posted by nonidentity View Post
    which libertarian views do you not support? "not trying to be a dick, genuinely curious"
    I think the Libertarian party is too anarchistic for my tastes. They believe in too small a government role in economics, foreign-policy, drugs, prostitution, etc.

    This would be awesome if the world was a better place, but if you dont place controls on people then they go crazy.

    Muslim extremists and Imperialist nations are getting ready to launch one hell of a war on the US in the next 30 years if we don't intervene IMHO.
    We'd experience huge jumps in human trafficking, sex slavery, etc.

    I think we'd need an insane police force to keep this type of government from failing to protect it's citizens from the dissidents of society.

    I think Libertarian views are about freedom and self-expression, but they fail to account for the views of the religious population of the world which are usually about reverence ,restraint, and order. Also the plain crazies.

    You give religious nuts and the crazies freedom and they kill you with it.
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  25. The more I think about it the more I cant believe that Perry can withstand the scrutiny for another few months. I think its looking:

    Cain vs Paul vs Romney

    Maybe Ron Paul 2012 isn't a bad chant after all...
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