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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Tell me how Obama is not socialist? "Corporatist" is nothing but a sugar-coated word for a socialist. It's a term that is not straight-forward. Between him and Bush they together have brought this country to a socialist state altogether. But you can't see it if you don't really understand the agenda of a socialist in the first place.

    Socialist = Central power. No religion, no morale..only laws. Laws laws laws and regulations regulations regulations. Complete government takeover.
    All political philosophies are subject to hijacking, and infiltration by the mega-corporations and banks. You can easily debate that Democracy and "freedom" is a complete corporatist and police state system run by the banking cartels. All you have to do is look at America the way it is since 1913 for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    All political philosophies are subject to hijacking, and infiltration by the mega-corporations and banks. You can easily debate that Democracy and "freedom" is a complete corporatist and police state system run by the banking cartels. All you have to do is use America the way it is since 1913 for example.
    I actually agree with you AX, lol. That's also why I am for the repealing of those two nasty amendments of 1913 (16th and 17th) which I think we've visited earlier in this thread lol.

    And of course the Federal Reserve Bank has alot of sway now since we've been in debt to them for quite some time now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    I actually agree with you AX, lol. That's also why I am for the repealing of those two nasty amendments of 1913 (16th and 17th) which I think we've visited earlier in this thread lol.

    And of course the Federal Reserve Bank has alot of sway now since we've been in debt to them for quite some time now.
    That was the purpose, permanent debt and permanent control.

    Thomas Jefferson warned us about this, he was here earlier in the thread as well Ill quote what he said;

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    At this point Paul needs to go Independent and completely dominate the young voters at the polls.
    That would be a disaster as it would split the Republican vote and President Obama would be re-elected. Rick Santorum is who I like the best but I realize he probably won't win. Having said that, I am willing to get behind whoever the nominee ends up being. I won't be calling for my favorite to run as a third party candidate.

    Ron Paul would lose as a third party candidate too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    That would be a disaster as it would split the Republican vote and President Obama would be re-elected. Rick Santorum is who I like the best but I realize he probably won't win. Having said that, I am willing to get behind whoever the nominee ends up being. I won't be calling for my favorite to run as a third party candidate.

    Ron Paul would lose as a third party candidate too.
    Many people feel there is no difference between Obama and any other republican, the fact that Obama's 4 year term has been nothing but a carbon copy of George Bush's (except for the teleprompter reading, lol) there is no evidence that putting a Republican back in there will be any different.

    To some of us Ron Paul supporters what's important is not joining the winning team, but winning by delivering the message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    Many people feel there is no difference between Obama and any other republican, the fact that Obama's 4 year term has been nothing but a carbon copy of George Bush's (except for the teleprompter reading, lol) there is no evidence that putting a Republican back in there will be any different.

    To some of us Ron Paul supporters what's important is not joining the winning team, but winning by delivering the message.
    there's not. both sides will expand the govt power.
    part of the overall problem is as a country we are not facing any black and white situations.
    our economy partially could've been under economic attack (reports nonchalantly coming out of the pentagon)
    Islamists are pushing for sharia in the US.
    banks and financial institutions have their own agenda.
    who knows what the fed reserve monster will bring about.
    the list goes on and on.
    some media outlets are more like propaganda spin artists, both sides.
    and a white black Kenyan Hawaiian catholic Muslim Christian who was/could have been a revolutionary Marxist in college, as president
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    Hmm. If Paul doesn't get elected I want to move to Switzerland. I want to avoid the Chinese invasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Many people feel there is no difference between Obama and any other republican, the fact that Obama's 4 year term has been nothing but a carbon copy of George Bush's (except for the teleprompter reading, lol) there is no evidence that putting a Republican back in there will be any different.
    the bolded includes Ron Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    the bolded includes Ron Paul
    Certainly, which would prove that the entire government is a fraud and the President truly has no authority. The ones calling the shots are not the ones on TV.

    Going by Ron Paul's voting record, and all bills he has put into play partly would support this for starters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    Certainly, which would prove that the entire government is a fraud and the President truly has no authority. The ones calling the shots are not the ones on TV.

    Going by Ron Paul's voting record, and all bills he has put into play partly would support this for starters.
    He has only had 1 or 2 passed in his entire time correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    1. This is an assumption about the beginning of time.
    2. Even if this was true of the beginning, nothing answers it. Not religion or evolution.
    Religion answers it, but with a garbage answer. If life has always existed, it's pretty astounding to me that you can believe that we are the first beings evolution had created that were able to maker indelible marks
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    He has only had 1 or 2 passed in his entire time correct?
    If you are one voice of sense in a room full of schizophrenics, is the number of things you started that passed any metric of your quality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    If you are one voice of sense in a room full of schizophrenics, is the number of things you started that passed any metric of your quality?
    1 voice of sense? My goodness do I love the Paul folks. Let me clear it up or you now, he is not the lone voice nor is he a savior. He is a guy with a solid niche, who most certainly believes what he spews. However, we all know he will not get elected and would be a failure if he did.

    Don't get me wrong, the other 3 are awful and are only as bad as the current president. Luckily, we at least have congress.....oh wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    However, we all know he will not get elected and would be a failure if he did.
    Why should that matter so much? Its not always about winning, and I have no need to join a winning team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    1 voice of sense? My goodness do I love the Paul folks. Let me clear it up or you now, he is not the lone voice nor is he a savior. He is a guy with a solid niche, who most certainly believes what he spews. However, we all know he will not get elected and would be a failure if he did.

    Don't get me wrong, the other 3 are awful and are only as bad as the current president. Luckily, we at least have congress.....oh wait.
    A failure compared to whom? You act like Paul will be worse than any of the presidents we've had for the past 49 years. If all Paul does for 4 years is veto bills, he would do a hell of a lot better a job than any president we've had since JFK. A president that accomplishes nothing is still better than a president that brings about WWIII.
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    A supporter of Ron Paul is just the "cool" or "hip" thing to be right now. Paul in this race is nothing more than an annoyance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    A failure compared to whom? You act like Paul will be worse than any of the presidents we've had for the past 49 years. If all Paul does for 4 years is veto bills, he would do a hell of a lot better a job than any president we've had since JFK. A president that accomplishes nothing is still better than a president that brings about WWIII.
    this is downright silly. Lets hope for 4 years of nothing....thats what we need I am amazed at the Paul fans...I give him credit, he is becoming like Jim Jones. Just a word of advice for Derick, Ax, and Easy....Dont drink the kool-aid
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Why should that matter so much? Its not always about winning, and I have no need to join a winning team.
    Not really sure what you are getting at here
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    this is downright silly. Lets hope for 4 years of nothing....thats what we need I am amazed at the Paul fans...I give him credit, he is becoming like Jim Jones. Just a word of advice for Derick, Ax, and Easy....Dont drink the kool-aid
    Lemee see, in the last 40 years of presidents + congress, what have they accomplished? They've put us in wars we didn't need to be in, driven up our debt, driven our manufacturing industry away, supported special interest groups over general group (including unions), been manipulated by the revolving door policy into high end private sector jobs after leaving government. Oh yeah, and entirely ignored the constitution. 4 years of nothing would be fantastic compared to another 4 years of rising deficits.

    You realize at current projections, by 2021 the national debt will be high enough that more than 1/3 of what the government took in last year in revenue will be going towards interest alone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    A supporter of Ron Paul is just the "cool" or "hip" thing to be right now. Paul in this race is nothing more than an annoyance.

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    Nah, i've always been a constitutionalist but can't be a part of that party because of its religious tones. It is funny how he grabs so much of the young vote though. But he's not an annoyance any more than you can say each of the candidates are an annoyance. He's running more about the overall movement of "back to actually following the consitution" than necessarily getting elected. He's happy with not winning the nomination, so long as he can win 5 caucuses and be guaranteed speaking rights at the convention.

    If anything, from results so far, you can say he has beaten each of the others besides romney in at least one of the primaries/caucuses held. If thats what a "cool" "hip" annoyance gets for votes, what does it say of the others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Not really sure what you are getting at here
    You always bring up failure over and over again. I know Ron Paul's ideas are a challenge this day in age in Washington, but the movement isnt about Ron Paul its about the idea's and planting seeds which is happening and Im personally amazed how well Ron Paul has in fact been doing win or lose. Because of this, we are winning but your considering everything a failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    A supporter of Ron Paul is just the "cool" or "hip" thing to be right now. Paul in this race is nothing more than an annoyance.

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    Ron Paul's movement to audit the Federal Reserve won the support to partially audit the private banking cartel with authority granted by Ron Paul's bill HR 1207. Its publishing (this past July) was astounding.

    The partial audit revealed 16,000,000,000,000 (yes trillion) in secret bailouts to US banks, corporations and foreign banks that took place in a 2.5 year period. The GDP at time of publishing for the United States was only $14.12 trillion.

    If you find that to be "hip and annoying" I certainly wish to continue to be. Everyone else can support the Fed and their top secret ponzi schemes, and also can focus on borrowing more money from the Chinese to go to war with Iran (which I bet the Chinese will let Iran borrow money too).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    If you find that to be "hip and annoying" I certainly wish to continue to be. Everyone else can support the Fed and their top secret ponzi schemes, and also can focus on borrowing more money from the Chinese to go to war with Iran (which I bet the Chinese will let Iran borrow money too).
    but without ponzi schemes, we wouldn't have social security.

    And don't leave out borrowing money from china to send foreign aid to china. Granted we only send them a few million, which doesn't cover the interest for 1 day of what we borrowed from them this year, but still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Lemee see, in the last 40 years of presidents + congress, what have they accomplished? They've put us in wars we didn't need to be in, driven up our debt, driven our manufacturing industry away, supported special interest groups over general group (including unions), been manipulated by the revolving door policy into high end private sector jobs after leaving government. Oh yeah, and entirely ignored the constitution. 4 years of nothing would be fantastic compared to another 4 years of rising deficits.

    You realize at current projections, by 2021 the national debt will be high enough that more than 1/3 of what the government took in last year in revenue will be going towards interest alone?
    A lot of what you said is true and a good portion is entirely opinion. During the Cold War, many supported the idea of physically containing and beating communism. So, Vietnam and Korea are logical at least from the perspective of the time that they took place.

    Driving our manufacturing jobs away is a bit misleading. If you were a CEO of a corp, and could make more $(significantly) by sending jobs elsewhere, you are not going to do it? I will call BS there, as this is what Capitalism is all about.

    Maybe it is time to look at Socialism.

    Yes, Paul considers himself a strict Constitutionalist, I am just curious how many have actually looked at his record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    A lot of what you said is true and a good portion is entirely opinion. During the Cold War, many supported the idea of physically containing and beating communism. So, Vietnam and Korea are logical at least from the perspective of the time that they took place.

    Driving our manufacturing jobs away is a bit misleading. If you were a CEO of a corp, and could make more $(significantly) by sending jobs elsewhere, you are not going to do it? I will call BS there, as this is what Capitalism is all about.

    Maybe it is time to look at Socialism.

    Yes, Paul considers himself a strict Constitutionalist, I am just curious how many have actually looked at his record.
    Part of driving away manufacturing is a union issue though. without unions we are able to be competitive in a lot of areas. With unions, we aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Ron Paul's movement to audit the Federal Reserve won the support to partially audit the private banking cartel with authority granted by Ron Paul's bill HR 1207. Its publishing (this past July) was astounding.

    The partial audit revealed 16,000,000,000,000 (yes trillion) in secret bailouts to US banks, corporations and foreign banks that took place in a 2.5 year period. The GDP at time of publishing for the United States was only $14.12 trillion.

    If you find that to be "hip and annoying" I certainly wish to continue to be. Everyone else can support the Fed and their top secret ponzi schemes, and also can focus on borrowing more money from the Chinese to go to war with Iran (which I bet the Chinese will let Iran borrow money too).
    This is one of the instances where I agree with him. THere is no reason not to audit the fed. No "government" agency is above audit imo
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    If one is in a election and doesn't care about actually getting elected...to me that is an annoyance.
    This is just my opinion...I realize it isn't popular at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    If one is in a election and doesn't care about actually getting elected...to me that is an annoyance.
    This is just my opinion...I realize it isn't popular at the moment.
    He wants to get elected, just that even if not elected getting people to actually use their brains for a bit and see that overall the republican party + democratic party are almost identical in their refusal to follow the constitution, continuing to grow the size of government, continuing to invade our personal liberty, etc is well worth his efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    He wants to get elected, just that even if not elected getting people to actually use their brains for a bit and see that overall the republican party + democratic party are almost identical in their refusal to follow the constitution, continuing to grow the size of government, continuing to invade our personal liberty, etc is well worth his efforts.
    I understand where you are coming from.
    But I really don't think the Republican Party & Democratic Party are close to the same.

    Good luck to Ron Paul. I really think he is a nice guy and adds to interesting debate. I don't disagree with Paul on a lot. But the things I disagree with him on are a pretty big deal to me.
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    I think for me is - we've tried it with "interpreting" the constitution by all 3 branches for a while, and we just get deeper in **** as we go. I'd like to see us instead follow it for 8 years and see where we end up. Keep it simple stupid, and keep the power out of the hands of a small group who usually are idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    I understand where you are coming from.
    But I really don't think the Republican Party & Democratic Party are close to the same.
    Its a duopoly. The way you conquer competition is to infiltrate and/or buy out your own competition and give people an illusion of choice. Become your own competition.

    We can have China and split it into 2 parties today, China Red and China Blue and let people vote and end up with the same exact people in office.

    When it comes to big issues both parties are in line with each other such as wars and supporting the corporate order....and most of the polititions are funded by the same people.

    Obama and Romney both have the same bankster campaign contributors for example, them two are a carbon copy of each other.

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    Paul only really has to beat Romney. Neither Newt or Santuram are on the ballot in every state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    Paul only really has to beat Romney. Neither Newt or Santuram are on the ballot in every state.
    There is something else up for grabs as well...if Paul gets enough delegates he will secure a major time slot to speak at the Republican convention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    There is something else up for grabs as well...if Paul gets enough delegates he will secure a major time slot to speak at the Republican convention.
    that he's guaranteed to get as he's smart enough to be putting some advertising effort into some of the later small states after supertuesday that nobody else gives a crap about.

    He still has a chance, although small. His best shot would be for Newt to win florida I think. It takes romney down a few notches then, and as was obvious in last night's debate its not that hard to get under newt's skin. he looked apoplexic at one moment and actually lost the ability to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    that he's guaranteed to get as he's smart enough to be putting some advertising effort into some of the later small states after supertuesday that nobody else gives a crap about.

    He still has a chance, although small. His best shot would be for Newt to win florida I think. It takes romney down a few notches then, and as was obvious in last night's debate its not that hard to get under newt's skin. he looked apoplexic at one moment and actually lost the ability to speak.
    Newt is a disaster, and on a national scale, is entirely unelectable. He seems always on the verge of a self destruction. Which is funny to watch.

    Should Newt somehow get the nomination, he will never win, and will get blown out badly. I dont think any of the Republicans will win a general, but Newt will be embarrassed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Newt is a disaster, and on a national scale, is entirely unelectable. He seems always on the verge of a self destruction. Which is funny to watch.

    Should Newt somehow get the nomination, he will never win, and will get blown out badly. I dont think any of the Republicans will win a general, but Newt will be embarrassed.
    Agreed.Newt is a joke.Honestly,if the Republicans keep pushing their far rightwing agenda,I do not see a Republican retaking the Presidency for a long time.The majority of Americans are either moderate or liberals and unless they are being hypocritical,cannot identify with these so called "social conservatives".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    Agreed.Newt is a joke.Honestly,if the Republicans keep pushing their far rightwing agenda,I do not see a Republican retaking the Presidency for a long time.The majority of Americans are either moderate or liberals and unless they are being hypocritical,cannot identify with these so called "social conservatives".
    exactly, the social conservative agenda does not resonate with people right now. If they were to focus on more of the moderates while still slamming the uber-liberals they would have a far better opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Newt is a disaster, and on a national scale, is entirely unelectable. He seems always on the verge of a self destruction. Which is funny to watch.

    Should Newt somehow get the nomination, he will never win, and will get blown out badly. I dont think any of the Republicans will win a general, but Newt will be embarrassed.
    Oh yeah, I don't want newt to win nationally, but since his campaign already blew being on the ballot in a numbe of states, it would be difficult for him to win anyhow. Plus we're back to the dollars in campaign funds issue too, newt just doesn't have the dollars yet, or organization yet to be truly nationally competitive. If you look, here's what we got over the next 6 weeks, and newt doesn't have time to get it all running in all states.

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    but newt winning florida would make romney appear weaker, and give the existing establish Paul organizations a much bigger shot at more of those later states.

    I had been going to vote for romney rather than paul in the primary just because florida says they are a winner take all state (and i'd rather have help newt not win it, regardless of my rationale above). But the RNC says they never approved florida being winner take all, so it likely will go proportionate so i'm back to voting for Paul.
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    Paul does seem like our only legitimate candidate for any real change to the status quo.Any one else is just more of the same.Sad times for America.
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    it is funny how much importance is placed on those first 3 primaries/caucuses. Together less than 50 delegates, need what is it 1144 for the nomination?
  

  
 

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