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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    and although i'll join in making fun of it, the plan when you think about it has some merits. Yes, viewed directly middle class sees an increase. But when their employer is paying 7% less in payroll taxes, that means more capability for raises. And similarly with some of the other areas, there would be an effect over time that would fix some of the issues as businesses worked out the new cost structure. But it would take a few years.

    I don't have a problem with middle + down being taxed more anyhow. We are nearing the point where close to half of america are tax consumers rather than tax payers and long term that just can't work.
    look at your wording.....capability. That does not mean there will be, so in essence more for the middle class to carry, without a definite bump in pay.

    Once the logic of the plan is truly understood, Cain is toast imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    look at your wording.....capability. That does not mean there will be, so in essence more for the middle class to carry, without a definite bump in pay.

    Once the logic of the plan is truly understood, Cain is toast imo
    Yeah, and it would minimally take a year or two for wages and product pricing to catch up.

    But at this point, almost half of americans are tax consumers rather than payers, not paying even enough to cover what they will collect in social security. This needs to change
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Yeah, and it would minimally take a year or two for wages and product pricing to catch up.

    But at this point, almost half of americans are tax consumers rather than payers, not paying even enough to cover what they will collect in social security. This needs to change
    it most certainly does....however, 999 is not the way to get it done. The federal sales tax can never pass. People will stop putting $ into the system if they get hit with 9% extra.

    As an aside....the apples to oranges thing was funny and stupid all at the same time
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    Or, you could just as easily see which plan or approach is constitutional. Cain's plan, however "flawed" it might be, runs parallel to what the founding fathers said would work. This can be seen in Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Consitution. Plan as day really, the very first federal allowance. Uniform taxation. This was effective and the federal government never saw a deficit (with the exception of the Civil War era) until the constitutional revolution in 1912 by socialist Wilson when he had congress ratify Amendments 16 & 17 into the consititution. By doing this, Wilson effectively transferred all the power of the states to the federal government by giving the states no representation and giving the people double representation and with the 16th amendment allowing the feds to tax those people however they wish - without uniformity. So in essence, this was the very first socialist movement and has since gotten terribly worse. If Cain's deal on uniform taxation were to happen, the 16th amendment would have to be repealed...something I am in full support of getting rid of. I encourage you guys to read the Constitution asap before siding with one party/candidate over another. Its a quick 20 minute read for an educated individual, maybe 30-40 min for the lower than average IQ's. Either way, its stupid to even choose a side without first knowing the foundation and success of our country. If ur an "anti-natural rights" person, then u should just move somewhere else instead. There r plenty of socialist/communist/corporatist countries to choose from elsewhere. We dont need to change what is nearly perfect in our country to suit those who want to live in total government dependency.

    While Cain may have some additional things that he might need to adjust to make a strong run, I certainly like two things that he stands for:

    1) abolishing the 16th amendment by tax reform
    2) abolishing the 17th amendment by deligating power back to the states, which should be treated like mini countries since they were originally independent in every aspect OTHER THAN INTERSTATE COMMERCE, which the ISC clause defines clearly enough. This reduces the feds and central powers and gives it all back to the peeps and giving us essentially 50 different countries to choose from to live and prosper in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Or, you could just as easily see which plan or approach is constitutional.
    Paul's plan = no income tax.

    Paul's plan is the only constitutional plan.

    Ron Paul supports the elimination of the income tax and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). He asserts that Congress had no power to impose a direct income tax and has called for the repeal of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, which was ratified on February 3, 1913.An income tax is the most degrading and totalitarian of all possible taxes. Its implementation wrongly suggests that the government owns the lives and labor of the citizens it is supposed to represent. Tellingly, “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” is Plank #2 of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and first published in 1848.
    To provide funding for the federal government, Ron Paul supports excise taxes, non-protectionist tariffs, massive cuts in spending.
    Ron Paul discusses the income tax and the “FAIR Tax” in May 2007: (link for video)


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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Paul's plan = no income tax.

    Paul's plan is the only constitutional plan.

    Ron Paul supports the elimination of the income tax and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). He asserts that Congress had no power to impose a direct income tax and has called for the repeal of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, which was ratified on February 3, 1913.An income tax is the most degrading and totalitarian of all possible taxes. Its implementation wrongly suggests that the government owns the lives and labor of the citizens it is supposed to represent. Tellingly, “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” is Plank #2 of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and first published in 1848.
    To provide funding for the federal government, Ron Paul supports excise taxes, non-protectionist tariffs, massive cuts in spending.
    Ron Paul discusses the income tax and the “FAIR Tax” in May 2007: (link for video)


    http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-04-15/en...olish-the-irs/
    I'm down with Ron Paul. Only problem is he doesnt have much of a shot right now..or does he? I'd vote for him before Cain, but between Cain, Romney and Perry - I'm for Cain.

    Hopefully Ron can makes something happen. He'd totally upset alot of congressman tho which is why I dont think he has a huge chance. Honestly tho, the tea party ought to be behind him. He is indeed the most inline with the constitution...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
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    I'm down with Ron Paul. Only problem is he doesnt have much of a shot right now..or does he? I'd vote for him before Cain, but between Cain, Romney and Perry - I'm for Cain.

    Hopefully Ron can makes something happen. He'd totally upset alot of congressman tho which is why I dont think he has a huge chance. Honestly tho, the tea party ought to be behind him. He is indeed the most inline with the constitution...
    The problem is whenever a movement starts, mainstream media Hijacks it and will appoint Sarah Palin as the leader of it or something.

    If Paul doesnt run as an independent I wont vote for him...then I wont vote for anybody unless Nader runs. Yes dramatic difference but I like both of them. My politics are quite abstract.

    I completely have boycotted the single party american system of Republicrats, but I do understand how Paul needed to be a repub to get any attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion
    Or, you could just as easily see which plan or approach is constitutional. Cain's plan, however "flawed" it might be, runs parallel to what the founding fathers said would work. This can be seen in Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Consitution. Plan as day really, the very first federal allowance. Uniform taxation. This was effective and the federal government never saw a deficit (with the exception of the Civil War era) until the constitutional revolution in 1912 by socialist Wilson when he had congress ratify Amendments 16 & 17 into the consititution. By doing this, Wilson effectively transferred all the power of the states to the federal government by giving the states no representation and giving the people double representation and with the 16th amendment allowing the feds to tax those people however they wish - without uniformity. So in essence, this was the very first socialist movement and has since gotten terribly worse. If Cain's deal on uniform taxation were to happen, the 16th amendment would have to be repealed...something I am in full support of getting rid of. I encourage you guys to read the Constitution asap before siding with one party/candidate over another. Its a quick 20 minute read for an educated individual, maybe 30-40 min for the lower than average IQ's. Either way, its stupid to even choose a side without first knowing the foundation and success of our country. If ur an "anti-natural rights" person, then u should just move somewhere else instead. There r plenty of socialist/communist/corporatist countries to choose from elsewhere. We dont need to change what is nearly perfect in our country to suit those who want to live in total government dependency.

    While Cain may have some additional things that he might need to adjust to make a strong run, I certainly like two things that he stands for:

    1) abolishing the 16th amendment by tax reform
    2) abolishing the 17th amendment by deligating power back to the states, which should be treated like mini countries since they were originally independent in every aspect OTHER THAN INTERSTATE COMMERCE, which the ISC clause defines clearly enough. This reduces the feds and central powers and gives it all back to the peeps and giving us essentially 50 different countries to choose from to live and prosper in.
    No offense, there was enormous defects early in the countries history. Hence the enormous ordeal of Jackson balancing the budget.

    With that said, this is not a constitutional issue IMO. Cain's plan won't pass, simple as that. It puts too much of a hit on the middle class, and worse for him right now, his campaign is running out of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    No offense, there was enormous defects early in the countries history. Hence the enormous ordeal of Jackson balancing the budget.

    With that said, this is not a constitutional issue IMO. Cain's plan won't pass, simple as that. It puts too much of a hit on the middle class, and worse for him right now, his campaign is running out of money.
    Sorry on my phone answering this.... You said to move elsewhere, but we are a coporatist nation, so we all need to move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Sorry on my phone answering this.... You said to move elsewhere, but we are a coporatist nation, so we all need to move.
    Whats beautiful about this country is that you can choose whatever side you want, even if its completely unconstitutional or anti-natural rights.

    To tell someone to move because someone has "anti-natural rights" can only come from someone who doesnt know the foundation and success of our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    Whats beautiful about this country is that you can choose whatever side you want, even if its completely unconstitutional or anti-natural rights.

    To tell someone to move because someone has "anti-natural rights" can only come from someone who doesnt know the foundation and success of our country.
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    The Constitution is a natural rights document. This is fact. The founding fathers were so concerned with central government becoming a totalitarian power that instead of listing what they couldn't do, it was easier to just list what they could do. That is what Article 1, Section 8 covers.

    If a party, government, or any demographic in society opposes natural rights in America, then they either need to do one of two things. Change the constitution to be something that fits their philosophy or stop pressing for something other than natural rights. It's crazy that people want the government to have so much influence and power yet as a nation we continue to use a natural rights document as a source of our law. To be anti-natural rights and live in a country whose law is founded upon natural rights is counter-productive is what I'm trying to say. It's like me living in China but refusing to embrace the Chinese language and culture -> it just doesn't make sense.

    I don't appreciate the cheap shots about my education. In fact, I'm taking classes right now regarding business law and how ethics, social and environmental movements have effected our philosophy and political approaches. The content that I'm learning in this class is not able to be learned, understood or even seen in the media, especially since the majority of the media is left wing. And since my professor speaks from experience and who was once a democratic scientific socialist (back in the 70's) and who is now currently a conservative natural rights advocate, I'd say he's ahead of the curve on the subject. This professor has literally tested both waters and has seen the corruption behind congressional philosophies/approaches.

    Maybe my previous statement is a bit over the top, but I truly believe that the extreme left wing, liberal, and pro-government parties will drive this country into the ground ultimately accomplishing the same thing with this country as what happened in others in the past. And when that day comes, I won't be surprised to see all the supporters of such political philosphies try and renig their standing just to save face. Kinda like the Nazi parties did..only not as extreme. Now I don't exactly support right wing anything, I really just support what the constitution was created for, which is natural rights to the individual. Now if you support socialism or anything other than natural rights approach then good for you. But don't expect this country to be the greatest country in the world taking that approach. it might end up being succesful from a GDP/economic stand-point kinda like China but also just like China the quality of life will suck hard for the majority of Americans. I personally believe that too much central power will ultimately lead to this. If you have a way to prove otherwise, then please do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    Maybe my previous statement is a bit over the top, but I truly believe that the extreme left wing, liberal, and pro-government parties will drive this country into the ground ultimately accomplishing the same thing with this country as what happened in others in the past. And when that day comes, I won't be surprised to see all the supporters of such political philosphies try and renig their standing just to save face. Kinda like the Nazi parties did..only not as extreme. Now I don't exactly support right wing anything, I really just support what the constitution was created for, which is natural rights to the individual. Now if you support socialism or anything other than natural rights approach then good for you. But don't expect this country to be the greatest country in the world taking that approach. it might end up being succesful from a GDP/economic stand-point kinda like China but also just like China the quality of life will suck hard for the majority of Americans. I personally believe that too much central power will ultimately lead to this. If you have a way to prove otherwise, then please do.
    Its not the goverment, left, right, northwest, etc...they are just the henchmen in public view. Its the people with the money which is the banks. Corporatism is rule of law. Ben Bernanke has more power than the president.

    The Constitution is no longer relevant in politics here, its old and gone. They even teach Homeland Security that our founding fathers are all terrorists and those who are constitutionalists, libertarian's, Ron Paul supporters, etc..are all to be on a terrorist watch list.

    The quality of life in China is better than the USA believe it or not. You should go there. There are more people in this country having trouble putting food on their table today than in China. Yes, there is a huge lower class, but if you go to the cities I think you would be quite surprised how good the level of life can be for some 300+ million. I can have more freedom in China that I do here.

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    Well, then I guess I just support whatever will leave me alone to make a living and live out the faith of my choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Well, then I guess I just support whatever will leave me alone to make a living and live out the faith of my choice.
    You dont have to support anybody, why support the lesser of 2 evils or who acts lesser when they are really not?...If only Cain and Obama run, you dont have to vote. There is no difference between the 2. There is no difference between Perry and Obama or Romney or Obama. They are all the same.

    Cain by the way was a Chairman of the Federal Reserve, he is the most dangerous candidate out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    it most certainly does....however, 999 is not the way to get it done. The federal sales tax can never pass. People will stop putting $ into the system if they get hit with 9% extra.

    As an aside....the apples to oranges thing was funny and stupid all at the same time
    Not only was it dumb, but romney missed the easy answer.

    If a $20 shirt costs $21.70 now in nevada, won't it cost $23.20 after 999?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Not only was it dumb, but romney missed the easy answer.

    If a $20 shirt costs $21.70 now in nevada, won't it cost $23.20 after 999?
    I agree, Romney or anyone else could have really hit Cain hard but missed the boat. It would have been nice to see for a change that something specific would have been addressed, but mostly Cain was left off the hook. I do think that most do not view Cain as an entirely viable candidate considering the state of his campaign and their lack of funds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    The Constitution is a natural rights document. This is fact. The founding fathers were so concerned with central government becoming a totalitarian power that instead of listing what they couldn't do, it was easier to just list what they could do. That is what Article 1, Section 8 covers.

    If a party, government, or any demographic in society opposes natural rights in America, then they either need to do one of two things. Change the constitution to be something that fits their philosophy or stop pressing for something other than natural rights. It's crazy that people want the government to have so much influence and power yet as a nation we continue to use a natural rights document as a source of our law. To be anti-natural rights and live in a country whose law is founded upon natural rights is counter-productive is what I'm trying to say. It's like me living in China but refusing to embrace the Chinese language and culture -> it just doesn't make sense.

    I don't appreciate the cheap shots about my education.
    In fact, I'm taking classes right now regarding business law and how ethics, social and environmental movements have effected our philosophy and political approaches. The content that I'm learning in this class is not able to be learned, understood or even seen in the media, especially since the majority of the media is left wing. And since my professor speaks from experience and who was once a democratic scientific socialist (back in the 70's) and who is now currently a conservative natural rights advocate, I'd say he's ahead of the curve on the subject. This professor has literally tested both waters and has seen the corruption behind congressional philosophies/approaches.

    Maybe my previous statement is a bit over the top, but I truly believe that the extreme left wing, liberal, and pro-government parties will drive this country into the ground ultimately accomplishing the same thing with this country as what happened in others in the past. And when that day comes, I won't be surprised to see all the supporters of such political philosphies try and renig their standing just to save face. Kinda like the Nazi parties did..only not as extreme. Now I don't exactly support right wing anything, I really just support what the constitution was created for, which is natural rights to the individual. Now if you support socialism or anything other than natural rights approach then good for you. But don't expect this country to be the greatest country in the world taking that approach. it might end up being succesful from a GDP/economic stand-point kinda like China but also just like China the quality of life will suck hard for the majority of Americans. I personally believe that too much central power will ultimately lead to this. If you have a way to prove otherwise, then please do.
    In relation to the bolded sections: did someone take a pot shot? If you deemed something I said as a pot shot, please know that was not the intent.

    #2, I think you are being too exclusive. Both left and right are for government intervention or just big government. They just each want it in different areas. It is sickening. To be honest (and I dont give him enough credit) AX is right. The parties are identical, and you shouldnt feel required to vote for either one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    You dont have to support anybody, why support the lesser of 2 evils or who acts lesser when they are really not?...If only Cain and Obama run, you dont have to vote. There is no difference between the 2. There is no difference between Perry and Obama or Romney or Obama. They are all the same.

    Cain by the way was a Chairman of the Federal Reserve, he is the most dangerous candidate out there.
    Alot of people dont know cain was a fed chairman. Hell I didnt even know until about a month ago.
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    Perhaps I am too exclusive. I'll consider the comments above and make adjustments to my political stance. But as it stands, Ron Paul looks the best but I dont think he'll be a real possibility which is sad IMO. And I do recall my professor making statements about both parties having the same agenda and that most of the debates and political battles are for show. So maybe we're just screwed either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Perhaps I am too exclusive. I'll consider the comments above and make adjustments to my political stance. But as it stands, Ron Paul looks the best but I dont think he'll be a real possibility which is sad IMO. And I do recall my professor making statements about both parties having the same agenda and that most of the debates and political battles are for show. So maybe we're just screwed either way.
    Ron Paul can totally be on top of the political spectrum if the media didnt black him out. The ones behind the scenes calling the shots on the major networks do not want Paul being in power.

    What your professor is talking about is called a "duopoly" Lets say we can give China a democracy tomorrow...we split the party into China Red, and China Blue and let everybody vote who to pick...we end up with the same party regardless. Its how a political party maintains long term control and stays in power, which is by creating and owning its own competition and blacking out any competition outside of itself in education, most news agencies it controls and many other means.

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    Despite being consistently ranked in the top three in GOP presidential candidate preference polls, Ron Paul has been given the least time to speak OUT OF ALL THE CANDIDATES at the debates that have taken place thus far.
    Confirmation of this fact comes in the form of a study from the University of Minnesota, published to the Smart Politics blog.
    The study has tallied the total face time that candidates were afforded during the last three debates. The results speak for themselves.

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    Ron Paul has received just 18 minutes and 47 seconds of time, less than any other candidate, and less than half the time that Mitt Romney has been allowed.
    Indeed, Romney has racked up a total of 41 minutes and 9 seconds of speaking time over the debates, close to seven minutes more than the next closest candidate, Rick Perry who has received 34 minutes, 12 seconds.
    The Study notes that during Tuesday’s debate, Romney received a full quarter of the speaking time, meaning he had almost double the time of all the other candidates and approaching three times the amount Ron Paul was given.
    Despite being placed third in a Harvard University Institute of Politics and New Hampshire Institute of Politics poll prior to the Washington Post/Bloomberg debate, Ron Paul received just 26 and 21 seconds more speaking time than Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum respectively.
    Even when he is not speaking, it seems Romney is the focus of the attention, on Tuesday Romney was afforded:
    · 194 percent more camera time than Rick Santorum
    · 190 percent more than Jon Huntsman
    · 171 percent more than Ron Paul
    · 157 percent more than Newt Gingrich
    · 103 percent more than Michele Bachmann
    · 100 percent more than Herman Cain
    · 77 percent more than Rick Perry
    The gross inequality displayed here will only serve to confirm assertions that the mainstream media is engaged in a conspiracy to sideline, ignore and discredit Paul’s campaign.


    Even the authors of the study at the University of Minnesota question the amount of time Paul is getting. They note:
    “The fact that Congressman Paul has received less than half the amount of speaking time as Romney (and less than any other candidate) is curious considering the libertarian firebrand has run third or fourth in most polls throughout the last several months.”
    The establishment denigrates Paul’s campaign not because they think he can’t win, but because they’re scared he could win. That’s why they’ve made it their job to try and derail his momentum at every turn. It’s their job to manipulate the American public into thinking they’re wasting their vote if they support Paul because he has no chance of winning, when the opposite is true, he has every chance of winning, if only he was given an equal platform with the other candidates.
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    TPM took these numbers and displayed them visually below:
    hahaha tell me you just didn't throw that together with the little heads. It looks hilarious, and yet very interesting.
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    Since the beginning I liked a few things Ron Paul had to say, all the candidates have good idea's, but I think he's out of touch with the times. Just my opinion. I liked Cain and still like him more than the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    Since the beginning I liked a few things Ron Paul had to say, all the candidates have good idea's, but I think he's out of touch with the times. Just my opinion. I liked Cain and still like him more than the others.
    I see what your saying, but Cain has his flaws too. Like how he has everyone fooled that hes just a down to earth pizza man, and he was never the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City from 1995-1996.

    Out of the two, Im still going with Ron Paul. Paul also says some things that are revolutionary, like when he was asked about how he would bring the troops home, and he said that he would just simply bring them home. He also whants to legalize weed, and break up drug cartels. And before anyone says drug cartels are no big deal, I advise you to acknowledge the existance of the show Board Walk Empire. You dont even have to whach it, but just acknoledge the fact that there is an entire hit show dedicated to the criminals created by the Alcohol prohibition.

    1. Getting pot smokers out of jail will be like a small bailout.
    2. Taxing weed will be a BIG bailout.
    3. Stated will still be able to run their drug laws. I doubt that anyone will really legalize heroin, accept maby Deliverance town.
    4. As a fitness nut who just likes to smoke and still be a good citizen, I will never have to deal with an unsavory character again.
    5. Lets face it, we live in a country where teenagers and baby boomers smoke. Many of them smoke way more than they drink. This really inforces 2 and 4!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    I see what your saying, but Cain has his flaws too. Like how he has everyone fooled that hes just a down to earth pizza man, and he was never the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City from 1995-1996.

    Out of the two, Im still going with Ron Paul. Paul also says some things that are revolutionary, like when he was asked about how he would bring the troops home, and he said that he would just simply bring them home. He also whants to legalize weed, and break up drug cartels. And before anyone says drug cartels are no big deal, I advise you to acknowledge the existance of the show Board Walk Empire. You dont even have to whach it, but just acknoledge the fact that there is an entire hit show dedicated to the criminals created by the Alcohol prohibition.

    1. Getting pot smokers out of jail will be like a small bailout.
    2. Taxing weed will be a BIG bailout.
    3. Stated will still be able to run their drug laws. I doubt that anyone will really legalize heroin, accept maby Deliverance town.
    4. As a fitness nut who just likes to smoke and still be a good citizen, I will never have to deal with an unsavory character again.
    5. Lets face it, we live in a country where teenagers and baby boomers smoke. Many of them smoke way more than they drink. This really inforces 2 and 4!
    I totally support what you say...but even if Paul becomes president its not like he will wave a magic wand and the world is perfect. The fact that his stay will only by 4 years 8 years tops makes things that much more difficult. He could even be impeached.

    I think he would prioritize getting the Fed audited and ending the wars which nobody, none of the candidates including Obama dare does or has any interest in (and this Iraq pullout again is total nonesense, but thats a different story).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I totally support what you say...but even if Paul becomes president its not like he will wave a magic wand and the world is perfect. The fact that his stay will only by 4 years 8 years tops makes things that much more difficult. He could even be impeached.

    I think he would prioritize getting the Fed audited and ending the wars which nobody, none of the candidates including Obama dare does or has any interest in (and this Iraq pullout again is total nonesense, but thats a different story).
    Touche! And I completely agree with what your saying. That only further supports my drive to get him into office for at least 4 years. 4 years isnt time for a president to do much of anything, but at least hell get the ball rolling on some things that NO ONE ELSE IN OUR LIFETIME WILL GET THE BALL ROLLING ON!

    Im calling my local headshops and telliing to carry ron Paul memorabelia.

    Im sending out text messages telling people do the same, and to register as Republican 3 months before the primary so we can get him into the top two running. I make sure to mention that hes a libertarian first though to make sure people dont just say "I hate republicans!" and toon outthe rest of the message first, and I appeal to the yout starting with the fact that he whants to legalize weed. I end by telling people to forward it and the "We need to get this across the country!"

    Im doing the same on Facebook and Youtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Touche! And I completely agree with what your saying. That only further supports my drive to get him into office for at least 4 years. 4 years isnt time for a president to do much of anything, but at least hell get the ball rolling on some things that NO ONE ELSE IN OUR LIFETIME WILL GET THE BALL ROLLING ON!

    Im calling my local headshops and telliing to carry ron Paul memorabelia.

    Im sending out text messages telling people do the same, and to register as Republican 3 months before the primary so we can get him into the top two running. I make sure to mention that hes a libertarian first though to make sure people dont just say "I hate republicans!" and toon outthe rest of the message first, and I appeal to the yout starting with the fact that he whants to legalize weed. I end by telling people to forward it and the "We need to get this across the country!"

    Im doing the same on Facebook and Youtube.
    Oh, and with Michelle Bachman's entire staff resigning and Newt Gingrich's senior staff resigning, we now have an opening! One more reason to follow the advice above, because our chances just shot up. Us muscle people have will power. Lets use it and make this happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Another solid debate last night for Romney and Newt. If Perry was not finished before, he is now.
    I cant miss late night TV w/ Leno and Letterman after that one!

    Id dont want Perry to go away just yet, wish he hangs in as much as possible, this is great!!!!!!!!!
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