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    I am not too sure he could accomplish what you hope. Executive orders can go so far, and by doing that he is a hypocrite for violating the balance of powers
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    As an aside, the most recent Rasmussen from 12/19 has Romney at 25% in Iowa and Paul at 20%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I am not too sure he could accomplish what you hope. Executive orders can go so far, and by doing that he is a hypocrite for violating the balance of powers
    He wouldnt be going outside of his constitutional authority. I wonder what constitutional powers he has to veto severe unconstitutional policy...hmmm time to research more.
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    I was looking at Ron Paul's site and here is one of the things he claims he will do.
    "Stop the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) from interfering with Americans’ knowledge of and access to dietary supplements and alternative treatments."
    ^that sounds good to me. The only thing I am a little confused about is his policy on social security. Can anyone clarify?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    I was looking at Ron Paul's site and here is one of the things he claims he will do.
    "Stop the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) from interfering with Americans’ knowledge of and access to dietary supplements and alternative treatments."
    ^that sounds good to me. The only thing I am a little confused about is his policy on social security. Can anyone clarify?
    I heard him mention that he isnt planning on just getting rid of it, I mean alot of people put their money into it already and really its not on the priority list.

    Social Security is a Federal Reserve ponzi scheme though, here is Ron Paul's brother on social security and its history
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    That is very, very interesting..

    I knew about the 16th and 17th amendments in 1913, I guess ole Woodrow thought he needed a brand new bank (FRB) to hold all that new found money he was going to make on taxes. Blows my mind what our government gets away with these days!

    And the typical sentence for Ponzi schemers is comparable to a 3rd or 2nd degree murderers sentence. Some food for thought...this shouldn't be taken lightly according to our justice system.
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    Well see I get an SSI check and food stamps and I have insurance, that I don't have to pay a dime for. I'm classified with having Bipolar among other things, this makes it hard for me to legally own guns unfortunately. So, yeah my main concern was will I still get my insurance and check? Also, please before anyone says I should just get a job, I can't drive, I've been in college for 4 years and most places aren't hiring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    Well see I get an SSI check and food stamps and I have insurance, that I don't have to pay a dime for. I'm classified with having Bipolar among other things, this makes it hard for me to legally own guns unfortunately. So, yeah my main concern was will I still get my insurance and check? Also, please before anyone says I should just get a job, I can't drive, I've been in college for 4 years and most places aren't hiring.
    Get a job....lol just kidding,

    If Ron Paul wins, he isnt going in there and stopping social security. Priorities are auditing the Fed, ending all the wars and bringing our troops home from WWII finally, re-instill the constitution and stop the transformation of the Police State (which is going full steam ahead), and so forth.

    One thing you have to realize is that your checks are paid for, and if this country goes into further bankruptcy or the currency collapses your checks will be useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    Well see I get an SSI check and food stamps and I have insurance, that I don't have to pay a dime for. I'm classified with having Bipolar among other things, this makes it hard for me to legally own guns unfortunately. So, yeah my main concern was will I still get my insurance and check? Also, please before anyone says I should just get a job, I can't drive, I've been in college for 4 years and most places aren't hiring.
    "places aren't hiring" is a bunch of crap. plenty of place are, most small employers i've talked to get dozens of applications and can't find one worth hiring because of so many errors in the application. misspelling your city? "collage" instead of "college", etc.

    but ron paul has stated that although social security + medicare aren't constitutionally authorized, they'd be phased out over time, not dropped like a rock. and the statement included that anyone who is already receiving checks will continue to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    "places aren't hiring" is a bunch of crap. plenty of place are, most small employers i've talked to get dozens of applications and can't find one worth hiring because of so many errors in the application. misspelling your city? "collage" instead of "college", etc.
    I think its more regional though, right? I mean if your willing to move you can find a job at least, which is better than being broke. If you cant move (maybe taking care of elderly parents for example) then things get rougher but life of course is a challenge you have to overcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I think its more regional though, right? I mean if your willing to move you can find a job at least, which is better than being broke. If you cant move (maybe taking care of elderly parents for example) then things get rougher but life of course is a challenge you have to overcome.
    this is mirrored by general statements from board of commerce members nationally. we've raised a generation of idiots who write in texting grade english....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    this is mirrored by general statements from board of commerce members nationally. we've raised a generation of idiots who write in texting grade english....
    you couldnt be more correct. I have worked in education for a decade, and it is getting progressively worse. I am currently the head of a history department of roughly 20 teachers, and the level of writing has gotten progressively worse every year. The saddest part is that when students lose points on an assignment based on their writing, it is their parents that b!tch and moan how it is ridiculous that their child should not receive a higher grade regardless of their writing skill. I have had several parents who claim that the teacher "just hates" their child, or there is a conspiracy against the child. While I find those conversations funny, it is a sad indication of where we are headed as a society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    you couldnt be more correct. I have worked in education for a decade, and it is getting progressively worse. I am currently the head of a history department of roughly 20 teachers, and the level of writing has gotten progressively worse every year. The saddest part is that when students lose points on an assignment based on their writing, it is their parents that b!tch and moan how it is ridiculous that their child should not receive a higher grade regardless of their writing skill. I have had several parents who claim that the teacher "just hates" their child, or there is a conspiracy against the child. While I find those conversations funny, it is a sad indication of where we are headed as a society.
    When I was younger I was put back in both english and math classes, not because of failing grades but because I had bad handwriting skills. They were very specific, "your writing is good, but I have a hard time with it so Im sending you to ESL class" or, "your math skills are good, but Im putting you in a lower math class just because you write sloppy"

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    I'd just like to say. I'm so tired of people saying They don't like Ron Paul, because he'd cut off aid to Israel. Last time I checked it was supposed to be the United States of America, not the United States of Israel.
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    I like Huntsman, but he doesn't stand a chance. It's too difficult for the American public to pick a moderate because it is hard to tell how they'll sway in the future. At least with a democrat or republican you know, generally, where they sit on a certain topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goat_guy View Post
    I like Huntsman, but he doesn't stand a chance. It's too difficult for the American public to pick a moderate because it is hard to tell how they'll sway in the future. At least with a democrat or republican you know, generally, where they sit on a certain topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Four days ago,
    lol good call. Been out of the loop for a bit. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    I'd just like to say. I'm so tired of people saying They don't like Ron Paul, because he'd cut off aid to Israel. Last time I checked it was supposed to be the United States of America, not the United States of Israel.
    Ron Paul is the most Constitutionally sound runner out there. It's sad tho because the only reason he wont get serious consideration is because a majority of the voting public does not make their decision based on knowledge and research but rather on social issues, ethnicity and party representation. At this point Paul needs to go Independent and completely dominate the young voters at the polls.

    Looking from an objective, historical perspective RP is the most American of the candidates while Obama is the most Marxist of the group. Eveyone else falls in between obviously.

    As a side note I'll say that while I wanted us to have the extra 10-15% oil from the pipeline in Canada, I was ever so glad to see Obama in a predicament between his character and his personal agenda. And, to the republican benefit, he revealed the truth about BOTH of them. His character sucks and he'd rather work toward funding his ambitions thru the environmentalist rather than give several thousand jobs to America as well as give us another huge source of oil. The best thing tho is that he lost alo of respect in that moment ESPECIALLY with the labor union! He screwed himself badly the other night by turning down that pipeline for a very very small minority in California, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Ron Paul is the most Constitutionally sound runner out there. It's sad tho because the only reason he wont get serious consideration is because a majority of the voting public does not make their decision based on knowledge and research but rather on social issues, ethnicity and party representation. At this point Paul needs to go Independent and completely dominate the young voters at the polls.

    Looking from an objective, historical perspective RP is the most American of the candidates while Obama is the most Marxist of the group. Eveyone else falls in between obviously.

    As a side note I'll say that while I wanted us to have the extra 10-15% oil from the pipeline in Canada, I was ever so glad to see Obama in a predicament between his character and his personal agenda. And, to the republican benefit, he revealed the truth about BOTH of them. His character sucks and he'd rather work toward funding his ambitions thru the environmentalist rather than give several thousand jobs to America as well as give us another huge source of oil. The best thing tho is that he lost alo of respect in that moment ESPECIALLY with the labor union! He screwed himself badly the other night by turning down that pipeline for a very very small minority in California, lol.
    Obama a marxist? wow....he is anything but

    At the end of the day, Obama is going to win because the Republicans have put up an awful bunch of candidates, that no one is going to get behind.

    I love the support for Paul. The good Dr. who in 2007 said he doesnt support evolution. Boy, thats who I want leading the US in the 21st century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I love the support for Paul. The good Dr. who in 2007 said he doesnt support evolution. Boy, thats who I want leading the US in the 21st century.
    please show me where in any way shape or form evolution accounts for going from the state of non-life to life. Even with accepting that a single cell organism evolved into humans, how did lumps of volcanic rock and swirling water become not just a single one celled organism, but enough of them of enough different types that they actually survived the conditions.

    Its hard to accept evolution as the whole solution when it can't answer that part. You can see even yourself that selective breeding can create and change traits. But it can't turn a rock into a turtle, or water into a fish.
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    Tell me how Obama is not socialist? "Corporatist" is nothing but a sugar-coated word for a socialist. It's a term that is not straight-forward. Between him and Bush they together have brought this country to a socialist state altogether. But you can't see it if you don't really understand the agenda of a socialist in the first place.

    Socialist = Central power. No religion, no morale..only laws. Laws laws laws and regulations regulations regulations. Complete government takeover. Doesn't sound too free if you ask me. Kinda sounds like China, really. Which, without our consumer base China would suck again anyways. The only success they've had as a communist country is by being the largest parasite that America has. Anyways, socialism and communism gives vast amounts of power to the select few governmental officials to make decisions for everyone else in the public. A socialist at his core believes that it's best for a select few powerful and "educated" men to govern or control everyone else. This type of philosophy has been taught in our ivy league schools and in our court rooms for decades now. Oh, and the biggest indicator of a socialist is this: redistribution of wealth. Which I must say has been part of Obama's relentless efforts as president. You see the redistribution of wealth in a few things really: one is the tax system, another is the liberated court system - where the offenders can someone manage to sue the victims, where the have not's can sue the haves ( even without good reason ) and where the common law that this country lived by for 2 centuries is now thrown out the window.

    Marxism is a broad word the wholistically represents it's sub-categories of socialism, communism and corporatism and supports all that bullcrap I just spouted off in the above paragraph.

    Ron Paul on the other hand is a bonified natural-rights advocate. Basically, natural rights is the most free form of governmental philosophy which was the core inspiration of the birth of America. When the founding fathers particularly outlined what the federal government's purpose was and what they were allowed to do, they were attempting to preserve the natural rights of the people in the form of the document you might be familiar with - the Constitution.

    Bottom line, we don't need corporatism. We need freedom to live by our religion, morale and to allow the states to form the laws to fill the gap, NOT the federal government. This way, California can continue to be filled with fruits and nuts and be happy with themselves as a liberal, law-defined society while here in Tennesee I can continue to live the Tennessee way which is by allowing social forms of morale and religion to dominate my lifestyle and to have laws fill the gaps on the grey areas. So when the fed's go away and actually do what they were designed to do (which is regulate interstate commerce by mediation between states regarding issues and national protection) we as individual states can create what each of us prefer. And if I don't like the way my state does things then guess what? I can move to a state that does do it the way I like. Thats the whole freggin point of having '50' states. Why else would we have so much variety!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    please show me where in any way shape or form evolution accounts for going from the state of non-life to life. Even with accepting that a single cell organism evolved into humans, how did lumps of volcanic rock and swirling water become not just a single one celled organism, but enough of them of enough different types that they actually survived the conditions.

    Its hard to accept evolution as the whole solution when it can't answer that part. You can see even yourself that selective breeding can create and change traits. But it can't turn a rock into a turtle, or water into a fish.
    So I assume that bacterial life certainly cannot evolve
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Tell me how Obama is not socialist? "Corporatist" is nothing but a sugar-coated word for a socialist. It's a term that is not straight-forward. Between him and Bush they together have brought this country to a socialist state altogether. But you can't see it if you don't really understand the agenda of a socialist in the first place.

    Socialist = Central power. No religion, no morale..only laws. Laws laws laws and regulations regulations regulations. Complete government takeover. Doesn't sound too free if you ask me. Kinda sounds like China, really. Which, without our consumer base China would suck again anyways. The only success they've had as a communist country is by being the largest parasite that America has. Anyways, socialism and communism gives vast amounts of power to the select few governmental officials to make decisions for everyone else in the public. A socialist at his core believes that it's best for a select few powerful and "educated" men to govern or control everyone else. This type of philosophy has been taught in our ivy league schools and in our court rooms for decades now. Oh, and the biggest indicator of a socialist is this: redistribution of wealth. Which I must say has been part of Obama's relentless efforts as president. You see the redistribution of wealth in a few things really: one is the tax system, another is the liberated court system - where the offenders can someone manage to sue the victims, where the have not's can sue the haves ( even without good reason ) and where the common law that this country lived by for 2 centuries is now thrown out the window.

    Marxism is a broad word the wholistically represents it's sub-categories of socialism, communism and corporatism and supports all that bullcrap I just spouted off in the above paragraph.

    Ron Paul on the other hand is a bonified natural-rights advocate. Basically, natural rights is the most free form of governmental philosophy which was the core inspiration of the birth of America. When the founding fathers particularly outlined what the federal government's purpose was and what they were allowed to do, they were attempting to preserve the natural rights of the people in the form of the document you might be familiar with - the Constitution.

    Bottom line, we don't need corporatism. We need freedom to live by our religion, morale and to allow the states to form the laws to fill the gap, NOT the federal government. This way, California can continue to be filled with fruits and nuts and be happy with themselves as a liberal, law-defined society while here in Tennesee I can continue to live the Tennessee way which is by allowing social forms of morale and religion to dominate my lifestyle and to have laws fill the gaps on the grey areas. So when the fed's go away and actually do what they were designed to do (which is regulate interstate commerce by mediation between states regarding issues and national protection) we as individual states can create what each of us prefer. And if I don't like the way my state does things then guess what? I can move to a state that does do it the way I like. Thats the whole freggin point of having '50' states. Why else would we have so much variety!?!?
    based on your definition every single politician is a socialist if you make the argument that corporatists are socialists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    please show me where in any way shape or form evolution accounts for going from the state of non-life to life. Even with accepting that a single cell organism evolved into humans, how did lumps of volcanic rock and swirling water become not just a single one celled organism, but enough of them of enough different types that they actually survived the conditions.

    Its hard to accept evolution as the whole solution when it can't answer that part. You can see even yourself that selective breeding can create and change traits. But it can't turn a rock into a turtle, or water into a fish.
    Good point. Who gives a crap about evolution. Knowing or not knowing how things came to be doesn't change anything about the cluster bomb of a situation our country is in right now.

    Besides, our leader doesn't have to have all the answers to be a good leader. So what if he doesn't buy into the theory of evolution. After all, it's still just a theory AE. It isn't fact. And it won't be otherwise it would have been proven so by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    based on your definition every single politician is a socialist if you make the argument that corporatists are socialists.
    So all of the candidates that want to reduce central government down to bare minimumm, repeal a few amendments favoring central power, reduce their spending power, and give power back to the people and freedoms back to the people are also corporatist? yeah right. Denial.

    Santorum does not favor Marxism or the passive version of corporatism.
    Ron Paul does not favor " " " " "
    Gingrich and Romney favor limited corporatism mainly because they think it's too much too ask our government to reverse course at this point. They see that its too late to go backwards without a revolutionary minset so they are taking a more moderate approach to things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Good point. Who gives a crap about evolution. Knowing or not knowing how things came to be doesn't change anything about the cluster bomb of a situation our country is in right now.

    Besides, our leader doesn't have to have all the answers to be a good leader. So what if he doesn't buy into the theory of evolution. After all, it's still just a theory AE. It isn't fact. And it won't be otherwise it would have been proven so by now.
    If the last statement is true, we need to get the religious nuts away from office, as that is just a theory as well and cant be proven
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    So all of the candidates that want to reduce central government down to bare minimumm, repeal a few amendments favoring central power, reduce their spending power, and give power back to the people and freedoms back to the people are also corporatist? yeah right. Denial.

    Santorum does not favor Marxism or the passive version of corporatism.
    Ron Paul does not favor " " " " "
    Gingrich and Romney favor limited corporatism mainly because they think it's too much too ask our government to reverse course at this point. They see that its too late to go backwards without a revolutionary minset so they are taking a more moderate approach to things.
    1. Santorum? Look at his record of corruption in Pa, then rethink
    2. Paul...agreed
    3. Romney and Gingrich are no better than what is in office now. Again look at their records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    based on your definition every single politician is a socialist if you make the argument that corporatists are socialists.
    And I will also say that a majority of congress is socialist. Why wouldn't they be? Socialism favors those already in power so of course congress as a whole would want socialism. It will eventually lead to another dictatorship. Only difference is that it will be a group of people dictating the lives of the people rather than just one sole dictator. That's whats at the end of this road if you ask me.
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    1. Santorum? Look at his record of corruption in Pa, then rethink Perhaps I will rethink. He's not my first or second choice anyways.
    2. Paul...agreed
    3. Romney and Gingrich are no better than what is in office now. Again look at their records. I agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    If the last statement is true, we need to get the religious nuts away from office, as that is just a theory as well and cant be proven
    Well no, I don't mind a president that believes in the Theory of Evolution. At the same time I think atheist should be ok with a president that believes in God. Period. What I'm saying it by believing or not believing one particular issue would not make him a good or bad leader.

    I just want a president that leads by allowing us as individuals to decide for ourselves. That way it doesn't matter if he's atheist or a Catholic or a Protestant or if he's gay or wahtever. Because a good government gets out of the way and lets each man decide for himself what is believable and what is not.

    Laws are there to define consequences for crossing those certain lines that cause injury to others. They shouldn't be there to define our religion, morale or lifestyle in any sense. And we need a radical, natural rights advocate for that type of governing and thats why I am for Ron Paul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    And I will also say that a majority of congress is socialist. Why wouldn't they be? Socialism favors those already in power so of course congress as a whole would want socialism. It will eventually lead to another dictatorship. Only difference is that it will be a group of people dictating the lives of the people rather than just one sole dictator. That's whats at the end of this road if you ask me.
    I would be interested to see how long that would take to accomplish, and if it truly went that way, how quickly people would revolt (if at all)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I would be interested to see how long that would take to accomplish, and if it truly went that way, how quickly people would revolt (if at all)
    I'd give it 30 years if nothing revolutionary takes place in this country before then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    So I assume that bacterial life certainly cannot evolve
    where do you get that from? Bacteria are living cells. But life doesn't exist in the vaccuum of space, or in the heat of the big bang. Life had to start from non-life somehow. Evolution doesn't cover that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I would be interested to see how long that would take to accomplish, and if it truly went that way, how quickly people would revolt (if at all)
    don't we already have that? we just pretend to elect them
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    don't we already have that? we just pretend to elect them
    You wearing tinfoil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    where do you get that from? Bacteria are living cells. But life doesn't exist in the vaccuum of space, or in the heat of the big bang. Life had to start from non-life somehow. Evolution doesn't cover that.
    1. This is an assumption about the beginning of time.
    2. Even if this was true of the beginning, nothing answers it. Not religion or evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    1. This is an assumption about the beginning of time.
    2. Even if this was true of the beginning, nothing answers it. Not religion or evolution.
    I can cleanly say that I totally disbelieve in religion's story of how we came to be, but I can't entirely buy evolutionary theory without that being a part of it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    where do you get that from? Bacteria are living cells. But life doesn't exist in the vaccuum of space, or in the heat of the big bang. Life had to start from non-life somehow. Evolution doesn't cover that.
    Life has possibly infinitely have been evolved. It doesnt make sense to me that all the sudden life came from a rock or a stick, life had to come from life and its always been around is some shape or form. Its just laws of cause and effect and life may have been in forms beyond our knowledge (no Im not talking about god or anything like that.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    1. This is an assumption about the beginning of time.
    2. Even if this was true of the beginning, nothing answers it. Not religion or evolution.
    How can there be a beginning, isnt that mathematically impossible? Its like extracting numbers from 0.
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