Election of 2012....Who ya got?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    Well, there are politicians who....
    1. support war, police state, war on drugs/terrorism, anti-constitutional, pro-fed, pro-globalism, etc...and then there are polititions who are
    2. anti-war, police state, anti war on drugs/terrorism, pro-constitutional, anti-fed, anti-globalism, etc....

    I prefer lifelong politicians of the latter 2nd type. For example of what I dont want..... Obama is a younger politician who is all of the first type of politician listed. What Im saying is, its not if they are lifelong or new and vibrant that makes up the character, its what they have been fighting for the entire time.

    Paul is the only anti-war candidate out of all the candidates, that alone is a night/day difference in regards to foreign/domestic policy and makes Ron Paul the only serious candidate in regards to fixing the economy, foreign relations, etc.
    I understand and am antiwar myself. However, we need to be realistic and Paul is not. Pulling troops is naive, as there a flip side to the coin. We are a global community at this point and we rely on relationships around the world. We have to make the best of situations we are in, not create more mess. Which is what Paul will do.

    Add in 30+ years in politics, an that
    Makes him an unattractive candidate IMO.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I understand and am antiwar myself. However, we need to be realistic and Paul is not. Pulling troops is naive, as there a flip side to the coin. We are a global community at this point and we rely on relationships around the world. We have to make the best of situations we are in, not create more mess. Which is what Paul will do.

    Add in 30+ years in politics, an that
    Makes him an unattractive candidate IMO.
    What you state is subject to a huge debate to get into all the details...too much time for both of us to get totally into, but I think we marched right in, and we can march right out. We cannot afford this any longer, and many of these countries dont want us there and want us to go away as soon as possible.

    They are only expanding wars and control, look at Libya for example. We are only creating a bigger mess by the year, and by the month. Global relationships is being friendly with other countries, not bombing the crap out of them and steeling their resources.

    This is a matter of what your going to believe however, but I feel Paul is far from naive, and the only realistic candidate on the platform in regards to making things right both domestically and internationally. To me a vote for any war supporting candidate (unless its a war we have to fight) is just support for death and blood stain, and support for the big corporations profiting on the military industrial complex.

    I dont know why you judge a candidate by the time they put into politics rather than what they fight for during that time...which in your opinion of course Paul is not what you look for in a leader so its easy for you to poke that at him.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    What you state is subject to a huge debate to get into all the details...too much time for both of us to get totally into, but I think we marched right in, and we can march right out. We cannot afford this any longer, and many of these countries dont want us there and want us to go away as soon as possible.

    They are only expanding wars and control, look at Libya for example. We are only creating a bigger mess by the year, and by the month. Global relationships is being friendly with other countries, not bombing the crap out of them and steeling their resources.

    This is a matter of what your going to believe however, but I feel Paul is far from naive, and the only realistic candidate on the platform in regards to making things right both domestically and internationally. To me a vote for any war supporting candidate (unless its a war we have to fight) is just support for death and blood stain, and support for the big corporations profiting on the military industrial complex.

    I dont know why you judge a candidate by the time they put into politics rather than what they fight for during that time...which in your opinion of course Paul is not what you look for in a leader so its easy for you to poke that at him.
    I agree, the debate is not a simple one. The problem to me however, is that we have created an enormous mess, and to walk away from it and leave it uncertain would be an unmitigated disaster. Similar to vietnam. I am in no way supporting expanding war efforts, and do support gradual troop withdrawal, however, we have to make sure that all of OUR interests are protected. At the end of the day, we might as well reap some benefit for our own disasters, specifically since we created them.

    With that said, Paul is without a doubt naive. To say that we are going to bring everyone home right now is foolish and shows an ineptitude with regards to foreign policy.

    Why dont I agree with Paul? He is no different than most up there imo. The most pressing issue to me is jobs, and job growth. His plans (based on our previous discussions) are small scale, and to be honest, his economic policy of "I will wipe out the fed, end the wars" etc...show little evidence that he understands what his job would be. I do however support his stance on the 10th amendment, but that is all I can get behind him on.

    There is NO great candidate, and my vote will be cast as a lesser of 2 evils. Right now, out of all possible candidates here is my take:
    Perry/Bachman: religious fanatics who will not last on a national scene as has already been evidenced
    Newt: very experienced, has solidified answers, would be surprised if the base supported him based on his personal history
    Romney: fairly moderate, business background COULD be a plus, not 100% sold
    Cain: 9-9-9 will not work. Most economists agree. Will fade imo
    Paul: explained above
    Huntsman: a real moderate imo, good job growth history, good foreign policy history, gets no support. His CFR issue is a non issue to me. I have personally been to meetings where known CFR members have spoken. I dont wear tinfoil
    Obama: utter disappointment imo. Couldnt agree more with you AX, a true corporatist

    For me Huntsman is #1 right now (about as likely as Paul getting the nod), Romney is a distant 2nd
    Mr. Supps Board Rep

  4. Romney should be on that religious fanatic list of yours. Huntsman is also a Mormon, but Im not sure if he is a fanatic.

    I gotta admit though, Perry is probably on top of that list.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Romney should be on that religious fanatic list of yours. Huntsman is also a Mormon, but Im not sure if he is a fanatic.

    I gotta admit though, Perry is probably on top of that list.
    Romney does not portray himself like a fanatic, however, you could be right

    Huntsman has come out and said I am spiritual not religious.

    Perry is frightening. The rain prayer sealed it for me. Regardless of how inept he looks in debates
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  6. bachman just needs better handlers...


  7. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL
    bachman just needs better handlers...
    Now we are talking.

    In all seriousness she is a loon
    Mr. Supps Board Rep

  8. lol that's a great pic.

    I feel bad for the GOP right now. No good contenders at all, with far too much influence being allowed from the extremist (and minority) TP

  9. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Now we are talking.

    In all seriousness she is a loon
    My dream election would be

    Republicans - Bachman/Palin
    Democrats - Biden (for president)/Al Sharpton
    Independents - Trump/Vince McMahon
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    My dream election would be

    Republicans - Bachman/Palin
    Democrats - Biden (for president)/Al Sharpton
    Independents - Trump/Vince McMahon
    are you saying that would be your dream because every american voter would boycott the polls?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    are you saying that would be your dream because every american voter would boycott the polls?
    No..I love watching letterman and leno, so that would give me something more entertaining to watch on television.
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  12. the funniest thing about those pics is that each of the presidential candidates you mention really is crazy enough to pick the mentioned vps

  13. We need 1 more:

    Paul/Ventura
    Mr. Supps Board Rep

  14. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    We need 1 more:

    Paul/Ventura
    nah, paul isn't funny when he's talking. Those other 6 are all gaffe factories walking around.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    nah, paul isn't funny when he's talking. Those other 6 are all gaffe factories walking around.
    E, you cant be serious. Not funny? Have you listened to him? Yikes

    Add in Ventura and the tinfoil hat brigade, and watch out
    Mr. Supps Board Rep

  16. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    E, you cant be serious. Not funny? Have you listened to him? Yikes

    Add in Ventura and the tinfoil hat brigade, and watch out
    He's serious, consistent and accurate in what he says, its just not as funny as the crazy off the wall crap all those others say. Ventura, sure.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    He's serious, consistent and accurate in what he says, its just not as funny as the crazy off the wall crap all those others say. Ventura, sure.
    Id love to see a Libertarian or especially Independent Paul/Ventura ticket. Ventura would provide some comic material for the late night talk show hosts (although Im not stating Ventura is out there by that), and if you think about it...it would protect Ron Paul's life.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    He's serious, consistent and accurate in what he says, its just not as funny as the crazy off the wall crap all those others say. Ventura, sure.
    Accurate? Wow. His foreign policy is short sighted and naive at best.

    Serious and consistent I will agree with. What his cult followers don't realize is that they kill his message.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Accurate? Wow. His foreign policy is short sighted and naive at best.

    Serious and consistent I will agree with. What his cult followers don't realize is that they kill his message.
    I dunno, how much money have we spent and how many US servicemen's lives have we lost since Vietnam being in places where the residents of the countries didn't want us there? And what positive things did it bring to the US? He said that after 9/11 he would have gone in, done a quick surgical strike on the taliban, and got out. I'm not sure how naive that is, seems like its what we should have done, instead of the $4 trillion we've spent there.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I dunno, how much money have we spent and how many US servicemen's lives have we lost since Vietnam being in places where the residents of the countries didn't want us there? And what positive things did it bring to the US? He said that after 9/11 he would have gone in, done a quick surgical strike on the taliban, and got out. I'm not sure how naive that is, seems like its what we should have done, instead of the $4 trillion we've spent there.
    Can we start by bringing home our troops from WWII? Is it safe to leave yet?
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    Politics is a game about winning. Who stands a chance against Obama? I like a lot of the candidates answers and solutions but, even if I like the person, I want Obama out and I only see one person who can beat him. Why spend so much time and money on who will just lose? I believe Herman Cain is the only one who can beat Obama. I like Cain and his idea's. He's a business man and more in touch with most Americans, IMHO.
    94% of Black voters voted for Obama. If it were 85% I wouldn't believe they voted according to race but they did. Obama's parents weren't Americans. His mom wasn't from America. His Dad was from Kenya. His value's aren't American.

    Herman Cain is Born and raised in America with the same cultural heritage as most of the Black AND White population. Obama is the opposite. Maybe Cain can teach people that the Republican party is not the "white" party, but the party for equality.

    Color aside, I like what he stands for and he isn't a career politician.
    I agree and disagree.

    My parents aren't from America. They are both immigrants. I was born in Chicago. I think we should close the borders. I support the DREAM Act, but I don't think we should allow family of citizens to come over for no other reason than they are family. So based on that information, where would you place my values?

    On the other hand, I think -black- people forget that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and that Republicans at their outset were against slavery. I would love to see the Repubs get behind someone sooner rather than later, but then again I'd love to see a politician that doesn't play politics.

    :Eats popcorn. Passes to next guy.:
    Flatter me, and I may not believe you. Criticize me, and I may not like you. Ignore me, and I may not forgive you. Encourage me, and I will not forget you.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    Politics is a game about winning. Who stands a chance against Obama? I like a lot of the candidates answers and solutions but, even if I like the person, I want Obama out and I only see one person who can beat him. Why spend so much time and money on who will just lose? I believe Herman Cain is the only one who can beat Obama. I like Cain and his idea's. He's a business man and more in touch with most Americans, IMHO.
    94% of Black voters voted for Obama. If it were 85% I wouldn't believe they voted according to race but they did. Obama's parents weren't Americans. His mom wasn't from America. His Dad was from Kenya. His value's aren't American.

    Herman Cain is Born and raised in America with the same cultural heritage as most of the Black AND White population. Obama is the opposite. Maybe Cain can teach people that the Republican party is not the "white" party, but the party for equality.

    Color aside, I like what he stands for and he isn't a career politician.
    I agree and disagree.

    My parents aren't from America. They are both immigrants. I was born in Chicago. I think we should close the borders. I support the DREAM Act, but I don't think we should allow family of citizens to come over for no other reason than they are family. So based on that information, where would you place my values?

    On the other hand, I think -black- people forget that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and that Republicans at their outset were against slavery. I would love to see the Repubs get behind someone sooner rather than later, but then again I'd love to see a politician that doesn't play politics.

    :Eats popcorn. Passes to next guy.:
    Flatter me, and I may not believe you. Criticize me, and I may not like you. Ignore me, and I may not forgive you. Encourage me, and I will not forget you.

  23. Wow. Okay, I've just read all 13 pages of this thread...

    1) I'm nowhere near educated enough to have a relevant point.

    2) Either we're all going to die, or we'll be okay. I don't know.

    3) I enjoy everyone's viewpoints. Much more interesting than my own.

    4) I need to study more Ron Paul.

    5) Only 12 more posts till I can put up links. Hooray!
    Flatter me, and I may not believe you. Criticize me, and I may not like you. Ignore me, and I may not forgive you. Encourage me, and I will not forget you.

  24. ^ #4 is dfeeintatly something you need to do. or just cut ur writsts and bleed out in a bathtub of cold water bcuz thats exactly whats gonna happen to america if hes not elected

  25. Ron Paul no matter how much sense he may make has NO SHOT at getting into the White house. His message isn't the one the "powers that be" want in focus. I for one have reluctantly been dragged to the realization that what we want DOES NOT MATTER, at this point, I'm for nobody
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