What good has Obama done for the U.S.A.?
- 07-31-2011, 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by seccsiAnimis Rep
- 07-31-2011, 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by RahlAnimis Rep
07-31-2011, 06:29 PM
07-31-2011, 06:29 PM
Well if your solution to addiction is to kill someone then I see no sense in discussing anything. Hope none if your family ever goes down that road bro.Originally Posted by EasyEJL
We let child Molesters out of prison but 3 strikes rules have junkies in for life. Thats big government in my eyes.
07-31-2011, 06:31 PM
It's funny how those are considered loopholes, but somehow the person making $25,000 a year and doesn't even pay his full social security 7.5% after all the tax breaks is carrying too much burden.Originally Posted by Jessep76
07-31-2011, 06:32 PM
For all felonies. Most drug possession is a misdemeanor or gets plead to misdemeanor anyhow unless its in distribution quantitiesOriginally Posted by Rahl
07-31-2011, 06:34 PM
And your second point is spot on, but we have known it would be painful for a long time and Americans have largely ignored it. Politicians don't want to do the things that will deal with it because they aren't politically popular and will likely cost them their jobs.
07-31-2011, 06:40 PM
The issue is that you have the choice of a Republican or Democrat. That the tea party did so well should be proof that people are showing it with their vote.Originally Posted by seccsi
07-31-2011, 06:42 PM
That won't because the longer they are there the more powerful they become. It's not just about their job it's about WINNING the majority.Originally Posted by seccsi
07-31-2011, 06:48 PM
The tea party movement stopped being libertarian a while back. And it was a sad day when it stopped.
07-31-2011, 06:55 PM
And are your friends that are willing to see cuts in gov't benefits getting farm subsidies or are they in their 80s on a SS fixed income? I'm just asking because there's probably some people who could handle it more than others. (if you don't mind me asking of course)
07-31-2011, 07:14 PM
07-31-2011, 07:17 PM
Distribution packaged makes it a felony. Possession in a school zone is a felony offense. The drug war us a crime against the people. So you want small government but believe they should be able to tell you what to put into your own body? Not very libertarian.Originally Posted by EasyEJL
I'm all for executing murderers and rapist but I don't trust the government to decide what a felony offense should be. Especially if you're putting a death sentence on it.
07-31-2011, 07:29 PM
And if you aren't still against the absurdity of the death penalty the case of Dewey Bozella out to make you reconsider. Innocent people go to jail as well. And you can't have a retrial after that bullet goes through you.
07-31-2011, 07:58 PM
I actually do support the death penalty. Just not the expansion of it as easy suggested.Originally Posted by seccsi
This is a place Obama has seriously come up short. The DEA has pursued even more enforcement against state legalized medical marijuana users than Bush did.
07-31-2011, 08:05 PM
07-31-2011, 08:15 PM
Yep, they get a break on it because between all the tax breaks and reliefs on their federal tax they receive a credit rather than pay anything which reduces what they pay into SS.Originally Posted by Jessep76
and nope, no farm subsidy people or over 80
07-31-2011, 08:16 PM
I think drug possession crimes should be dropped entirely, but don't mind hard time for distribution. Grow or make your own and do what you want.Originally Posted by Rahl
07-31-2011, 08:18 PM
The Casey Anthony case should prove quite the reverse to you, just how much evidence you'd need to convict someone of a felony even once, much less 3 times.Originally Posted by seccsi
07-31-2011, 08:21 PM
But I gotta let this thread go for now. I've said my pieces
07-31-2011, 08:23 PM
If you legalize possession without allowing for a legal form of distribution you leave the real criminal element in tact with full incentive to murder etc. Just look at what our drug policy has done to Mexico. Legal possession is a good first step but ultimately you still have prohibition in place. And we all know how that worked.Originally Posted by EasyEJL
07-31-2011, 08:40 PM
No, you can license sales, and tax it as well. I don't see a problem with that either really, so long as we collect money on it's sale just like alcohol or tobacco who cares ?Originally Posted by Rahl
But I'm firmly for more death penalties and less appeal time.
07-31-2011, 08:50 PM
We can agree on most of that. I don't really think we need more death penalties per say. We rarely kill those convicted now. I will say, it's crazy that it cost so much to put someone to death. Bring back the rope.Originally Posted by EasyEJL
07-31-2011, 09:37 PM
Ok so they don't get subsidies for farming and they're not on social security. My point is that there's a number of situations that would allow one person to get benefits from the govornment and some might cut back on eating out while other Americans will cut back on blood thinner medications, or have to put off getting that mastectomy, pain medications, maybe food for the week or possibly rent.
07-31-2011, 09:52 PM
That person that gets the $1000 tax break collects more from the government than he puts in. The large tax breaks corporations get sound big as a number but relative to what they pay, or relative to what they collect from the government it's peanuts. You are just falling prey to the same lame emotional arguments. Everyone should pay a flat percent of their income, the vast majority of the tax burden is already carried by the high income end and corporations. The fact that the Walmart employee struggles at his income is because he has no useful skills, no education, and has an expectation of a lifestyle greater than his skill and education deserves. That's not the fault of corporations, or people with skills and education.Originally Posted by Jessep76
07-31-2011, 09:55 PM
I dunno, if you look at the level of repeat offenders for violent crimes, I think we could use more and faster death penalties. I was held up at gunpoint by a man doing probation concurrently for 12 prior armed robbery convictions. I don't know why he was still alive, much less walking the streets.Originally Posted by Rahl
07-31-2011, 10:05 PM
I can see that. Very few prisoners rehabilitate. I think that's a sentencing issue though. He shouldn't be out.Originally Posted by EasyEJL
Now if he's an addict there's another reason for it. They never treated the addiction. Just like anyone whose had a problem with alcohol a drug addict always an addict. They get out they get back on. That's why it's more cost effective to treat than incarcerate.
A guy like that though might just be a non user lost cause. I'm that case judges should have the leeway to step up the punishment.
A firm supporter of the death penalty. I just don't see applying it except in the most needed cases.
07-31-2011, 10:11 PM
Not to be confused with the shareholders of walmart who I'm sure actually do have lobyists
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