What good has Obama done for the U.S.A.?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by TheMeatus101 View Post
    I actually thought in NJ and most northern states that there really is no rasicsm, here in NC, well that speaks for itself, rasicsm is NC, everywhere u go its present.
    And when i say Rasicsm i mean on both parts. Blacks towards whites, white towards blacks.
    Nah, you are wrong, there is no less racism in the northeast, they just hide it better. It was something I noticed that was funny having grown up in NJ till I was 21 then moving to Florida. There wasn't any less racism in NJ, just it was quieter, more hidden, more subtly expressed. It wasn't "we're not hiring him cause he's black" its "he doesn't seem to have the same qualifications as other applicants". There was always something, but you could tell it was just racism painted nicely.


    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    dude i see racism towards white people here in northern nj..... im from morris county where were u at
    Just wait, in 30 years white people will be the minority and you'll be safe to be racist towards hispanics.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    dude i see racism towards white people here in northern nj..... im from morris county w
    here were u at
    It definitely cuts both ways.I never had a problem with black people until about 6 years ago.We had a large influx of the refugees from Katrina,and I have to say these people are nothing but trash.
    Anyway,I voted for Obama.I bought into the whole hope and change mantra.Needless to say,I am very disappointed.Always had a lot of respect for McCain until he started pandering during the last election.Also could not stand Sarah Palin.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I'm sorry but you are sooooooo far off the mark here. He was elected because he was black. Period. A white man with the same upbringing, education and experience as he had would never have made it through the primaries.

    And none of my criticisms of him are based on skin color, i'm about as non-racist as it gets. His poilicies and ideals are crazy, as well as the people he associated with and considers his mentors.
    He was elected because people thought he could fix the economy more than John McCain. Period flat. When the economy tanked you knew Obama was going to win. People trusted him more than McCain on the economy, and the other issues disappeared. I really don't know how you can say he was elected solely because he was black. I just don't know what you're basing that on. He carried almost all the black vote naturally, but he also probably had a lot of people not vote for him because of his race. And the amount of voting blacks (though increased in the last election) is still pretty low. I just think it's disingenuous to say he only won because he was black. He was extremely popular and well liked I'd say despite his race, not because of it. It's not like he was the first black candidate.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    He was elected because people thought he could fix the economy more than John McCain. Period flat. When the economy tanked you knew Obama was going to win. People trusted him more than McCain on the economy, and the other issues disappeared. I really don't know how you can say he was elected solely because he was black. I just don't know what you're basing that on. He carried almost all the black vote naturally, but he also probably had a lot of people not vote for him because of his race. And the amount of voting blacks (though increased in the last election) is still pretty low. I just think it's disingenuous to say he only won because he was black. He was extremely popular and well liked I'd say despite his race, not because of it. It's not like he was the first black candidate.
    reread what I wrote. The democrat was going to win, regardless of who or what it was. The mainstream democrat dominated media did a great job of "4 more years" painting on McCain (comically thats what they got with Obama anyhow). He only won in the primaries because he was black, a white man with the same qualifications (none) and experience (none) and track record (none) would never have beaten Hillary in the primaries.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I dunno, he's created more debt than any other president. He used the money we took on in debt to buy banks, buy General Motors and other assorted socialist/communist things which congress isn't authorized to do. He's changing the definition of rights - in the constitution + bill of rights if you read it the rights are rights against government intrusion in. Now with Obama more has been done to define rights as things the government owes you. He's also been the most adept at making statements that make himself sound like he is compromising and working with republicans while the whole time knowing the democrats in congress won't vote for it and he can pull some minor excuse out of his ass as to what they changed.

    And the very very very worst thing is that he will not veto the whole "super congress" nonsense that is being added into the bills for the debt ceiling. It suddenly throws out our constitution entirely, makes the rank and file of congress useless, and puts all the power into 12 mens hands.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...tml?1311626737
    The he created more debt argument is a little misleading as most all of our modern presidents have created more debt than their predecessors. It isn't as if Bush 2 and Reagan didn't create a massive amount of debt either. Inflation, interest rates, etc have all naturally risen. This isn't to defend Obama's fiscal practices because I have hated most of them, but the he has more debt argument is not really strong.

    And you need to do some research on the initial bailouts. The GM bailouts were much smaller than the tarp bailouts under Bush 2. And it WAS Bush 2 (and Hank Paulson his treasury secretary) who pushed for those bailouts. Congress initially rejected them, the stock market tanked, and Bush/Paulson said we have to pass this now. Bush/Paulson were pushing for those bailouts from the beginning.

    As I previously said, my biggest issue with Obama is he has continued the freedoms we lost under GWB and hasn't changed a lot of the things he said he would upon getting elected. I never thought he'd be a fiscal conservative, as he never ran to be one. But I did think he would give us back some social liberties. That just hasn't been the case and has been my biggest beef with him.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    reread what I wrote. The democrat was going to win, regardless of who or what it was. The mainstream democrat dominated media did a great job of "4 more years" painting on McCain (comically thats what they got with Obama anyhow). He only won in the primaries because he was black, a white man with the same qualifications (none) and experience (none) and track record (none) would never have beaten Hillary in the primaries.
    I'm not sure. A Democrat was going to win yes regardless completely agree. Hilary had plenty of detractors (and she was a woman which just like a black person some people didn't want a woman), but I still don't think Obama carried it solely because he was black. I think if Obama was white and ran the same campaign he would have beaten Hilary, but neither of us can be correct so I'll leave this argument now

  7. To clarify Easy on the debt thing I'll just say this: It's EXTREMELY likely that any Republican (or Democrat) elected under the same circumstances as Obama would have created the most debt in history. Both sides would have tried some type of stimulus (like Bush 2 did), both sides would have continued at least the Afghanistan war, and I think both sides would have done the auto bailouts. And this is why I hate both sides. Now I might give you Obama would spend more than say if we elected McCain at this point, but I'd say it's pretty likely generic Republican would have done a lot of the same things Obama has done so far. (Minus healthcare)

  8. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    To clarify Easy on the debt thing I'll just say this: It's EXTREMELY likely that any Republican (or Democrat) elected under the same circumstances as Obama would have created the most debt in history. Both sides would have tried some type of stimulus (like Bush 2 did), both sides would have continued at least the Afghanistan war, and I think both sides would have done the auto bailouts. And this is why I hate both sides. Now I might give you Obama would spend more than say if we elected McCain at this point, but I'd say it's pretty likely generic Republican would have done a lot of the same things Obama has done so far. (Minus healthcare)
    You are probably right, but the "minus healthcare" is huge. Its another entitlement that will break our government. The only way the cost doesn't go up too terribly even in the most recent report (out today) will be met is if congress allows the 30% cut in payments to doctors to actually happen. Its been supposed to be happening every year, and every year congress votes to delay the cuts. You can't treat 15% extra people for the same cost you as currently treat people for. The math isn't there, there is no economy of scale as the US government is the most wasteful spender with least control and concern over where money goes. So he created a new mess like social security, medicare, etc that will just help in bankrupting the country even sooner.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    You are probably right, but the "minus healthcare" is huge. Its another entitlement that will break our government. The only way the cost doesn't go up too terribly even in the most recent report (out today) will be met is if congress allows the 30% cut in payments to doctors to actually happen. Its been supposed to be happening every year, and every year congress votes to delay the cuts. You can't treat 15% extra people for the same cost you as currently treat people for. The math isn't there, there is no economy of scale as the US government is the most wasteful spender with least control and concern over where money goes. So he created a new mess like social security, medicare, etc that will just help in bankrupting the country even sooner.
    Agree to an extent. A lot of what was in the healthcare bill was stuff Republicans had initially wanted (and then opposed because of who it was coming from). So I'm not even 100% sold that a Republican President wouldn't have passed something similar to the healthcare bill. If you really followed the process closely a lot of what was in the healthcare bill (not everything) was ideas previously wanted by Republicans.

    Both sides are such snakes and will say anything to get elected. They are the same beast, just acting as if they are so different because they know that's what gets them in office and keeps them in

  10. Im still waiting for the man to produce a authentic birth certificate instead of this multiilayered counterfeit you can download directly from the whitehouse and split up using a basic photoshop program.

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Im still waiting for the man to produce a authentic birth certificate instead of this multiilayered counterfeit you can download directly from the whitehouse and split up using a basic photoshop program.

    It is odd that he did not produce a birth certificate until Trump started talking about fronting million dollar investigations into the matter.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    It is odd that he did not produce a birth certificate until Trump started talking about fronting million dollar investigations into the matter.
    Trump conspired with pro Obama NBC to bring the issue up in order to squash what mainstream considers "conspiracy theorists" which is a easy way to discredit people and dodging the issues and facts. Trump is a phony, he acted like he will have all these pro's look at it to confirm it yet the document is blatantly a in house creation. Obama released it and thats it, story over lets move on, there is no reason to question anything including the fact you can split it into multiple layers.

    I wont even get into the other flaws and forgeries with the document at the very moment, unless people start pushing me to do so.
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  13. I'll bite. Admittedly ax this is another one of those conspiracy theory type things that I don't ever care to do a lot of research into, but this seems to go through things pretty clearly...and I love the site BTW

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

  14. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    I'll bite. Admittedly ax this is another one of those conspiracy theory type things that I don't ever care to do a lot of research into, but this seems to go through things pretty clearly...and I love the site BTW

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp
    Why do you think that downloading directly from the white house Obama's Birth certificate and finding out the document from the 60's and finding out its easily split into multiple layers a conspiracy theory? Doesn't that raise questions to its legitimacy?

    The link you provided doesn't even touch on this initial issue. There are many other issues with the birth certificate I havent even touched on that your link doesnt cover.



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  15. Here is a very detailed demonstration on how you can download the birth certificate directly from the whitehouse and prove its a forged photo-shopped document.

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  16. Ax: You can also find detailed youtube explanations going against what you posted.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcWQw2AAIho

    I'll be honest I haven't watched this nor have I watched yours. It just isn't interesting to me nor something I really care about. For about everything conspiracy type theory anyone finds you can find other stuff arguing the opposite. I don't have the time/energy to look into it all. I really don't care. The birth certificate story (right or wrong) has largely been put to bed and me spending hours looking into it isn't going to change that.

    I know I've said it before, but discussing conspiracy theory type things isn't really my cup of tea. I'm more interested in you updating your damn Anabeta log my friend. I want to see what this high dosage is doing for you

  17. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Ax: You can also find detailed youtube explanations going against what you posted.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcWQw2AAIho

    I'll be honest I haven't watched this nor have I watched yours. It just isn't interesting to me nor something I really care about. For about everything conspiracy type theory anyone finds you can find other stuff arguing the opposite. I don't have the time/energy to look into it all. I really don't care. The birth certificate story (right or wrong) has largely been put to bed and me spending hours looking into it isn't going to change that.
    That video you provided does not provide any relevent information in regards to Obama's fraudulent birth certificate. I dont get into conspiracy theories, I really dislike them. Downloading his birth certificate directly from the white house and finding it to be in multiple layers and counterfeited is not a conspiracy theory. It only takes a few minutes to download the birth certificate and take apart yourself, not hours.

    The issue has not been put to rest in any way other than what the corporate mainstream media chooses to do or not do. The release of the birth certificate has only fueled the issues.

    If you dont care why do you keep responding and countering, there must be some curiosity deep inside you, right? I think your actually a open minded person to even touch on this stuff.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post

    I know I've said it before, but discussing conspiracy theory type things isn't really my cup of tea. I'm more interested in you updating your damn Anabeta log my friend. I want to see what this high dosage is doing for you
    Thats a good idea, I have a few findings to report
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    That video you provided does not provide any relevent information in regards to Obama's fraudulent birth certificate. I dont get into conspiracy theories, I really dislike them. Downloading his birth certificate directly from the white house and finding it to be in multiple layers and counterfeited is not a conspiracy theory. It only takes a few minutes to download the birth certificate and take apart yourself, not hours.

    The issue has not been put to rest in any way other than what the corporate mainstream media chooses to do or not do. The release of the birth certificate has only fueled the issues.

    If you dont care why do you keep responding and countering, there must be some curiosity deep inside you, right? I think your actually a open minded person to even touch on this stuff.
    Well it's not that I don't care at all it's merely that I don't feel the desire to invest the time into truly getting to the bottom of it. I'm kinda crazy about some things...if I was going to really get into trying to figure out if Obama's birth certificate was real or not I'd have to dig at everything. I'd have to watch your link and then watch all the counter links and so on and so forth. And that's just not something I really care to do.

    Thank you for saying I'm open minded, I've always strived to be.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Well it's not that I don't care at all it's merely that I don't feel the desire to invest the time into truly getting to the bottom of it. I'm kinda crazy about some things...if I was going to really get into trying to figure out if Obama's birth certificate was real or not I'd have to dig at everything. I'd have to watch your link and then watch all the counter links and so on and so forth. And that's just not something I really care to do.

    Thank you for saying I'm open minded, I've always strived to be.
    Its alot of work, I do spend 3-4 hours a day researching stuff at certain times, not all the time though but on average 30-60 minutes daily.

    To be honest, If he was a great president and even born in Iraq I wouldnt even care, lol Whats ultimately important is the domestic/foreign policy, who they work for and how they are serving the American people.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    Killing Bin Laden is not a valid response b/c the president did not commit this act himself - it simply occurred during his presidency.

    I don't really keep up with politics but Obama makes me laugh. I recall him saying earlier on during his presidency where he said the depression had been over. LOL idk what country he thought he was presiding over but nothing seems to have improved economically or am I delusional. All Obama does when he speaks anywhere is get into his philosophical rants about how people shouldn't have to choose between prescriptions and putting food on the table, blah, blah, blah.

    He never reveals what he intends to do. That sure wasn't the case during his election campaign. Promises, dreams, candy, and rainbows. He gets elected and I have yet to hear of/see any positive impact he's had on America. He's more of a celebrity icon than a president to me.

    he's made America wake up and smell the coffee.anyone who though obama was going to come into office and fix the mess bush left is insane.it'll take years and years and years to fix the mess.then it will take years and years to fix the mess obama has made.bottom line we as a people need to elect better persons into power from the prez all the way down the list.flush everyone out and start over with people who actually give a **** about us as a nation.this whole politics thing is a huge game and very few players in it are actually playing to actually help us as a nation its more about their interest groups,their needs,money etc.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post
    he's made America wake up and smell the coffee.anyone who though obama was going to come into office and fix the mess bush left is insane.it'll take years and years and years to fix the mess.then it will take years and years to fix the mess obama has made.bottom line we as a people need to elect better persons into power from the prez all the way down the list.flush everyone out and start over with people who actually give a **** about us as a nation.this whole politics thing is a huge game and very few players in it are actually playing to actually help us as a nation its more about their interest groups,their needs,money etc.
    if you honestly believe bush is the one who made the mess, you havent been following politics too long



    this has BEEN going on..


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  23. Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post
    he's made America wake up and smell the coffee.anyone who though obama was going to come into office and fix the mess bush left is insane.it'll take years and years and years to fix the mess.then it will take years and years to fix the mess obama has made.bottom line we as a people need to elect better persons into power from the prez all the way down the list.flush everyone out and start over with people who actually give a **** about us as a nation.this whole politics thing is a huge game and very few players in it are actually playing to actually help us as a nation its more about their interest groups,their needs,money etc.
    Agreed.I am not happy with some of the decisions Obama has made,but it is absurd to blame one person for the mess we are in now.Corporate greed and political corruption has been slowly killing us for years.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    Agreed.I am not happy with some of the decisions Obama has made,but it is absurd to blame one person for the mess we are in now.Corporate greed and political corruption has been slowly killing us for years.
    100% true, Obama is a small piece of the puzzle, he is really just the actor on TV but the ones really influencing public policy are all behind the scenes.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post
    he's made America wake up and smell the coffee.anyone who though obama was going to come into office and fix the mess bush left is insane.it'll take years and years and years to fix the mess.then it will take years and years to fix the mess obama has made.bottom line we as a people need to elect better persons into power from the prez all the way down the list.flush everyone out and start over with people who actually give a **** about us as a nation.this whole politics thing is a huge game and very few players in it are actually playing to actually help us as a nation its more about their interest groups,their needs,money etc.
    I think you have it wrong. WE'll never elect a president who will fix any of this. The way this gets fixed is through less government involvement. Failure to raise the debt ceiling is probably the best thing that could happen as it would force the government to become realistic about its spending.

    The on thing that has surprised me with all of the "tax the rich" nonsense is why none of the proposals had entirely removing the cap on how much income you pay social security on. I'm not a fan of our regular progressive tax rates, but at the same time don't see why people are only paying social security on the first $160,000 or so in income either and nothing after that.
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