What good has Obama done for the U.S.A.?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    both really, because they both were the extremes
    Thats what I thought you would say, lol

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    And the very very very worst thing is that he will not veto the whole "super congress" nonsense that is being added into the bills for the debt ceiling. It suddenly throws out our constitution entirely, makes the rank and file of congress useless, and puts all the power into 12 mens hands.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...tml?1311626737
    Lets not forget this "constitutional lawyer" extended the Patriot act, is establishing an executive dictatorship w/ countless executive orders and even went to war with Libya without consulting congress.

    This "Super Congress" appears to only be icing on the cake to hand the country over to the private entities.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    I dunno, he's created more debt than any other president. He used the money we took on in debt to buy banks, buy General Motors and other assorted socialist/communist things which congress isn't authorized to do. He's changing the definition of rights - in the constitution + bill of rights if you read it the rights are rights against government intrusion in. Now with Obama more has been done to define rights as things the government owes you. He's also been the most adept at making statements that make himself sound like he is compromising and working with republicans while the whole time knowing the democrats in congress won't vote for it and he can pull some minor excuse out of his ass as to what they changed.

    And the very very very worst thing is that he will not veto the whole "super congress" nonsense that is being added into the bills for the debt ceiling. It suddenly throws out our constitution entirely, makes the rank and file of congress useless, and puts all the power into 12 mens hands.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...tml?1311626737
    This is such a tired argument. Tarp and the auto bailouts were initiated under Bush bro. Now, Obama has done a horrible job of improving that situation but pinning the while thing to him is silly.

    Obama has continued Bush's over reach and expansion of powers of the president. Bush created the Patriot Act which is a direct violation of rights. Obama extended it. Bush lied us into a war. Obama is ignoring existing law getting us into another.

    I voted for both of them. They both suck. But...I still believe the other option presented in both cases was worse.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Rahl View Post
    This is such a tired argument. Tarp and the auto bailouts were initiated under Bush bro. Now, Obama has done a horrible job of improving that situation but pinning the while thing to him is silly.

    Obama has continued Bush's over reach and expansion of powers of the president. Bush created the Patriot Act which is a direct violation of rights. Obama extended it. Bush lied us into a war. Obama is ignoring existing law getting us into another.

    I voted for both of them. They both suck. But...I still believe the other option presented in both cases was worse.
    What your stating in the first statement you make is what I always trying telling people, there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans and this country is hijacked by a 1 party duopoly system. When it comes to big issues they all put on a show on TV, and when the doors close they all shake hands and make deals.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Rahl View Post
    This is such a tired argument. Tarp and the auto bailouts were initiated under Bush bro. Now, Obama has done a horrible job of improving that situation but pinning the while thing to him is silly.

    Obama has continued Bush's over reach and expansion of powers of the president. Bush created the Patriot Act which is a direct violation of rights. Obama extended it. Bush lied us into a war. Obama is ignoring existing law getting us into another.

    I voted for both of them. They both suck. But...I still believe the other option presented in both cases was worse.
    TARP + the bailouts were done by the democrat controlled congress, not by Bush. Obama is just an extension of them. And Obama's 800+ billion stimulus package was all his.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    TARP + the bailouts were done by the democrat controlled congress, not by Bush. Obama is just an extension of them. And Obama's 800+ billion stimulus package was all his.
    I thought Bush started the bailouts actually and had congress approve of them. There were many bailouts perhaps we all got lost here, lol

    for example,
    http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/p..._s=PM:POLITICS
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  6. I love the general idea from some that blacks and minorities voted for Obama simply because he was black, when others like Jesse Jackson, or Alan Keyes, couldn't even make it past a primary. How many presidents prior to Obama were black? I guess that must mean those men all won simply because they were? See where I'm going with this?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I thought Bush started the bailouts actually and had congress approve of them. There were many bailouts perhaps we all got lost here, lol

    for example,
    http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/p..._s=PM:POLITICS
    They may have been bush's idea, but it still is congress who approves them

  8. Both parties had a hand in the bailouts.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    I love the general idea from some that blacks and minorities voted for Obama simply because he was black, when others like Jesse Jackson, or Alan Keyes, couldn't even make it past a primary. How many presidents prior to Obama were black? I guess that must mean those men all won simply because they were? See where I'm going with this?
    Some blacks do vote for blacks just because their blacks, the same ones who also would vote for Jesse and Alan. Some whites will refuse to vote for black people, its just basic racism that still floats around the country.

    Being said, Obama won due to a vast marketing campaign and millions of dollars of corporate campaign contributions. He already has 1 billion dollars for the next election.

    We now as of a year ago live in a world where the Supreme Court granted corporations permission to contribute unlimited amounts of money to politicians. We do not live in a democracy any more. Its just like Muscletech, they have money for market power and outsell a better superior company such as Genomyx by a landslide.

    Due to corporate control of the media, money buys airtime, thats what people go by (as a majority) and their choices are narrowed down to either coke or pepsi.
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  10. So if voting is based on cultural, ethnic or racial identity, then that would also hold true for all presidents prior to Obama? I'm not getting into a back and forth about political ideology. I didn't come in here for that. I just read some of the comments about casting votes based on one's racial makeup. Conservatives and liberals see the world differently...shocking. Everyone thinks they have the right answers, the right philosophies by which to lead, usually they are wrong in both cases.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    So if voting is based on cultural, ethnic or racial identity, then that would also hold true for all presidents prior to Obama? I'm not getting into a back and forth about political ideology. I didn't come in here for that. I just read some of the comments about casting votes based on one's racial makeup. Conservatives and liberals see the world differently...shocking. Everyone thinks they have the right answers, the right philosophies by which to lead, usually they are wrong in both cases.
    The difference here wasn't simple the color or voting with color, but that you were instantly declared a racist if you disagreed with anything Obama said during his campaign. If you disagreed with the idea of closing Guantanamo, it was because you were racist not because you thought Cuba was a good place to keep terrorists. I was called a racist many times here on anabolic minds over disagreeing with Obama's stated policies.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23
    Both parties had a hand in the bailouts.
    This. Tarp was born in the treasury dept run by Goldman Sachs. Oops! I mean Paulson. The dema in congress signed off on it. Bush endorsed it.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The difference here wasn't simple the color or voting with color, but that you were instantly declared a racist if you disagreed with anything Obama said during his campaign. If you disagreed with the idea of closing Guantanamo, it was because you were racist not because you thought Cuba was a good place to keep terrorists. I was called a racist many times here on anabolic minds over disagreeing with Obama's stated policies.
    I was part of those early political threads, with people going back and forth, in fact you and I did as well on a few occasions lol. You're a good man who just happens to have strong beliefs, that I also happen to respectfully disagree with, but I'd never classify you as a racist. I classify you as a supplement racist, because you refuse to use the same products that I do.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The difference here wasn't simple the color or voting with color, but that you were instantly declared a racist if you disagreed with anything Obama said during his campaign. If you disagreed with the idea of closing Guantanamo, it was because you were racist not because you thought Cuba was a good place to keep terrorists. I was called a racist many times here on anabolic minds over disagreeing with Obama's stated policies.
    I wonder why nobody ever called me a racist when I used to spill my guts criticizing the Bush regime. Maybe the accuser has internal race issues thinking its only ok to criticize your own color, but when its the opposite color lets jump to conclusions and call it racism?
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    I was part of those early political threads, with people going back and forth, in fact you and I did as well on a few occasions lol. You're a good man who just happens to have strong beliefs, that I also happen to respectfully disagree with, but I'd never classify you as a racist. I classify you as a supplement racist, because you refuse to use the same products that I do.
    Well, thats because what you use for supplements are low class, lazy, and stupid

    Yeah, but plenty of other people threw that out as the first thing, calling someone racist because they didn't agree with Obama's campaign. And even at the polls, there was quite a bit of white voter intimidation in some of the urban areas. But I'm not quite saying his actual election win was due to his race, but moreso his primary win was race based (without which he could never have gotten elected of course). Race probably gave him a 5-10% lead in the actual election which I can't quite recall the results but I don't think it would have skewed it enough had it gone to mccain to give him enough electoral votes to win anyhow.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I wonder why nobody ever called me a racist when I used to spill my guts criticizing the Bush regime. Maybe the accuser has internal race issues thinking its only ok to criticize your own color, but when its the opposite color lets jump to conclusions and call it racism?
    No, its part of a larger problem of people's beliefs in racism, minorities don't believe its racist to be negative about the majority. Which I can't wait for, in another 20 years or so hispanics will be the majority and i'll be able to pull out all the old mexican jokes.

    "You know what my favorite hobby is? Shooting cans. Mexicans, africans, any kinda cans"

  17. Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    I wonder why nobody ever called me a racist when I used to spill my guts criticizing the Bush regime. Maybe the accuser has internal race issues thinking its only ok to criticize your own color, but when its the opposite color lets jump to conclusions and call it racism?
    Sort of like not being able to say you didn't support the Iraq war without being labeled unpatriotic or that you don't support our troops? I got that a lot. I supported the afghan war from the get go but never the other one. I was called many things.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    No, its part of a larger problem of people's beliefs in racism, minorities don't believe its racist to be negative about the majority. Which I can't wait for, in another 20 years or so hispanics will be the majority and i'll be able to pull out all the old mexican jokes.

    "You know what my favorite hobby is? Shooting cans. Mexicans, africans, any kinda cans"
    You're absolutely correct on that one man.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    kansas is 83.8 % white
    and 5.9 % black

    this could be why you see the hatred and not the praising....

    while nj is only 59% white
    Having grown up in NJ, I can say with 100% certainty that the element of racism is quite strong, especially in northern NJ.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Well, thats because what you use for supplements are low class, lazy, and stupid

    Yeah, but plenty of other people threw that out as the first thing, calling someone racist because they didn't agree with Obama's campaign. And even at the polls, there was quite a bit of white voter intimidation in some of the urban areas. But I'm not quite saying his actual election win was due to his race, but moreso his primary win was race based (without which he could never have gotten elected of course). Race probably gave him a 5-10% lead in the actual election which I
    can't quite recall the results but I don't think it would have skewed it enough had it gone to mccain to give him enough electoral votes to win anyhow.
    Well I got them for for free! What can I say I'm a sucker for AI handouts!

    I think you could also argue the reverse, as Alan Keyes and Jesse Jackson never made it past a primary, so race didn't work in their favor. I think moreover his personality helped him carry the day. He didn't come as threatening to the general population, i.e. the bitter angry black guy.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Well I got them for for free! What can I say I'm a sucker for AI handouts!

    I think you could also argue the reverse, as Alan Keyes and Jesse Jackson never made it past a primary, so race didn't work in their favor. I think moreover his personality helped him carry the day. He didn't come as threatening to the general population, i.e. the bitter angry black guy.
    But that was a problem with Jessie Jackson, his history of being what most would call radical ties and even actions that had made recent US press. For all of his "rainbow coalition" he was pretty patently racist himself. Obama's nutcase radical ties were all 1 step removed and until Reverend White came up none of them had made recent press.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Having grown up in NJ, I can say with 100% certainty that the element of racism is quite strong, especially in northern NJ.
    Until last year,I had not spent any time in western Oklahoma for over a decade.It was amazing to see how much the hatred for black people has grown over the years.They do not hesitate to use the word n*****,and they will say it to a black persons face,not in hushed tones amongst themselves.It was an eye opening experience.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Having grown up in NJ, I can say with 100% certainty that the element of racism is quite strong, especially in northern NJ.
    dude i see racism towards white people here in northern nj..... im from morris county where were u at
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    dude i see racism towards white people here in northern nj..... im from morris county where were u at
    I actually thought in NJ and most northern states that there really is no rasicsm, here in NC, well that speaks for itself, rasicsm is NC, everywhere u go its present.

    And when i say Rasicsm i mean on both parts. Blacks towards whites, white towards blacks.
    Expose yourself to your deepest fear; after that, fear has no power, and the fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes. You are free.
    -Jim Morrison

  25. Point is Obama hasn't done ****. Yea, and imma go ahead and say it, not all blacks voted for him, but ATLEAST 70% DID, and i mean AT THE LEAST, all because he was black. And guess what? He sucks as a president. Lol "Hope" and "Change" hasn't done a damn thing Obama so switch it up. I never bought into his crap anyways, he's just like John F Kennedy, he's a VERY good speaker. (not saying JFK was a bad president in anyway)
    Expose yourself to your deepest fear; after that, fear has no power, and the fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes. You are free.
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